Selling off Tubes for Solid State, A Cooler Love Story?


I've always sought out Primaluna gear as my end all be all gear. I started with an integrated, then went to separates and have been very, very happy. What has given me such good sound, is also causing the room temperature to be somewhat annoying. Being in a little shoe box room of 10x15, I've had to result to opening a window, which is becoming tiresome. 

The heat from just the KT88's is causing me to considering going solid state, which will be in preparation for the Summer in my tiny upstairs room. I'd like to possibly get a second amp for the summer months, but am not sure where to start with solid state amps. Do I pick up a BHK? Do I go all in on a used Ypsilon or Dartzeel? What did you look for in a solid state amp and where should I look? I BHK I could test drive at home, but a used Ypsilon I wouldn't able able to try and would just have to pull the trigger. Any advice or guidance is appreciated. 

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The Vincent Audio 237 integrated is a hybrid...tube front end and SS amp....very sweet and under 3K.   I own Belles Aria 70 W integ. and love the smoooooooooth sound...no edges.

I had a pair of VK75SE monos in a big room and it put out lots of heat. Same for the 845 amp I used to own.. 

The Pass XA25 get fairly warm to touch but Doesn’t heat up the room.. Same for my FW SIT3 amp. 

Those early Pass Aleph got so hot the black anodizing turns purple..... really good Class A designs run pretty hot and use as much idle current as a tube amp

I don’t have a lot of experience w many amps/gear, but I’m running a Krell Duo 300 XD class A 300 wpc. The unit stays cool the entire time at high DB levels pushing my Forte’s. The unit does have fans in the back, which I’m sure is frowned upon, but I can’t even hear them when the room is completely silent and I’m right near the amp. They also have an app to check the heat of the amp. Not really sure why they offered that for consumers. 
 

As another option, I’m selling a pair of Jeff Rowland class D monoblocks (250 wpc). Zero heat and amazing build and look. Something like that would work perfect. 

I was a dedicated tube guy for decades.

Because of the heat in the Summer and speakers that needed more power, I started looking at SS. My conclusion and that of the Forum is that there was only two amps that could satisfy a tube guy-Bakoon and AGD. I now own a Bakoon headphone amp and AGD Audion mono blocks. And ultimately, AGD over Bakoon for my main system. Both are unique and proprietary technologies. Both give a clear window that is addicting but I prefer AGD for the overall SQ and the physicality over the Bakoon. Dartzeel and probably some other very expensive amps may be better in some ways but I would never change. The AGDs are my destination amps.

@OP The BHK250 is a hybrid class A amp.  Tube input stage and SS output stage.  It runs warm, but not hot.

My listening room room is 13x11x8.  I am quite happy with mine.

@j-wall , the Mits in/out AC/Htr sounds like the purchase you ought to have made...but Sunday quarterbacking is too easy to default to. ;)

All wonderful, well-intentioned comments and recommendations from the gallery, but you've the opportunity to dip toes into the many variations now beckoning.

Tube/SS hybrids, all SS all the time, full-tilt Ds', or even 'mixed-media' combinations of both.  The audio whirl'd is again your oyster to shuck about with. *G*

Used to keep the budget from implosion, new when you're ready to commit.

Have fun listening self into giddyness, J

'Bots don't type like this...

Getting cold up here in Boston....  think its time to swap out the EL34 s for some KT88 to keep toasty.....

I had a PL HP integrated and other tube amps.  I now have a Bob Carver Crimson 275.  To me, it bests the PL line, is less expensive, and runs super cool.  I'm in Chicagoland so heat in the winter is welcome, but in my third floor listening room I want none of it in the hot summers.  That problem is entirely gone.  

I like PL as a product.  I think that it's missing some mojo though.  Just my two cents.  

Be careful with that SS adventure.  While I agree with the sage JJSS (super dude), your subjective enjoyment is all that matters.   

Would you consider headphones for 3 months tiny amp even if tubed... And get some planar headphones... 

@jbhiller is also right to bring attention to the lovely carver 275

wonderful amp in many ways, moderate heat output (more than the lta but a good amount less than the primaluna with half the # of power tubes) - it is also a tube amp that is very easy with tubes, leading to extraordinarily long life in use

there is something very right about how this crimson 275 amp presents the music, especially into higher efficiency speakers

Should look at at tubes further up the ladder.

I can not imagine not having my AH Qualiton X200 in my system. 
experimented with SS again with GaN Class D and The New Bel Canto e.One ref301s (I may keep it) and the X200 wins hands down period. 
 

Just my opinions here and you should do what is right for you.

Have a great day.

@jerryg123 ,

"I can not imagine not having my AH Qualiton X200 in my system.
experimented with SS again with GaN Class D and The New Bel Canto e.One ref301s (I may keep it) and the X200 wins hands down period."

That much better?  That's quite a compliment. 

Charles

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@charles1dad the 301s is awesome but the X200 is better for me.

I am thinking about keeping the 301S it is a quality piece.

The correct answer:

You need 2 amps: a summer amp and a winter amp.

Summer amp is SS...duh. Winter amp can double as a space heater: 300Bs

You're welcome.

@jerryg123  AFAICS, Jeff Rowland makes 301s monoblocks, and Bel Canto makes an e.ONE REF500s.

Cool.  But 501 and not 301. I wonder how many changes there were w.r.t. the 500s.

No the 301 post is me being fat fingered and well wrong.

It is the e.One REF501S.

I am listening to it now. The 500S is coming to an end soon. I know Absolute Sound has a REF501S in now for review.

This is the unit I bought.

 

Same problem. I went with Spectral to keep my listening room cool. Sold all my BAT tube gear. Now I don’t have to open the windows in the winter or crank the air in the summer. Goodwin’s High End is a good start for finding used gear. They sell on Audiogon.

I went through something similar: Had a tube integrated amp with 8 KT88 power tubes. Sounded great but the room would get toasty. I switched to a SS integrated out of curiosity and to address the heat issue. Enjoyed it for about 3 months but ended up having a Joni Mitchell - Big Yellow Taxi moment: "you don't know what you've got till it's gone".

I replaced the SS integrated with a KT120 power tube integrated amp (same WPC as the previous KT88 amp) but with fewer tubes (4 only) and less heat. If you love the tube sound and the glow at night I strongly suggest sticking to it. Some things are worth the hassle and inconvenience. Octave (70 WPC) and Qualiton (100 WPC) both use 4 KT120 or KT150 tubes which generate less heat and both sound awesome.    

You are considering Ypsilon or Dartzeel, so we've established that funds are not strained. Why not gain real estate and solve heat problem with active speakers like ATC, Focal, PSI or others.