???Safely Trading Gear Between Private Parties???

At times it can be easy .But at other times becareful. 

Sellers ship when they get paid so it’s up to them to ship or not. So far in the US, most people’s word still mean something and sellers would likely describe what they are selling correctly, and will ship as promised.

If Hungary is any indication though, as many enthusiastically would like to think it is, this will soon be over. Honesty will be the exception and not the norm.

Yes, this was somewhat political, but if it affects everything, it’s impossible to pretend otherwise

Imitation?  It was a direct quote.  But it is good advice.

I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 Make sure the other party is ethical, moral, and truthful.

There is really only one key.  Make sure the other party is ethical, moral, and truthful.  That said, most seller are.  A phone call can really help   But even some honest sellers become hard to deal with when something goes wrong. So define the terms up front.

Whether I am the seller or the buyer, here are my terms:  Ownership transfers when the merchandise is delivered to the buyer in good shape.  The seller is responsible for any damage or loss that happens during shipping.  Insurance protects the seller so asking the buyer if they want to buy insurance is a passive way of asking them to take responsibility for any problems that happen during shipping.  I just had a deal fall apart to buy a $1500 pair of tubes from the UK, but when he asked me if I wanted insurance and I told him it was up to him, that he was responsible for shipping, he backed out.  

When I am the seller, I keep it simple by including the cost of shipping in my asking price (you may do it different, but I like simple).  I include whatever it will take for me to ship it safely.  I use heavy boxes, sometimes wooden crates (but they are not impervious, especially if you aren't a woodworker) and LOTS OF TAPE.  Inside use lots of packing material and make sure there is no room for movement.  I've never had a shipping container fail ro protect the contents.   And make sure the shipping lable has a barcode and is protected from weather.   I always cover my shipping label 100% with clear tape.

Not this is different that requiring the buyer to pay for shippig. tat is really a part of the agreed price. taking responsibility for damage during shipping is different.

The other thing I do as a buyer is NOT to tell the seller how I want it shipped.  If you do, you are assuming responsibilty if there is a problem--"but I shipped it the way YOU specified".  All I ever tell a shipper is to "take your time, I'm in no hurry. That whatever time it takes you to prepare it for safe shipment." 

Finally, I never try to change the way a seller does business.  So many people "want it their way".  The seller probably has a routine. And if he stays in his routine, things will probably go well.  If you ask him to vary his routine, you increase the possiblity that something will go wrong.  Just keep that in mind.

So you're thinking now that you weren't expecting a discussion of what happens after the sale but most of the problems you see posted on this forum are caused by problems after the sale and unresponiveness of the seller.

Jerry

I’m not sure how the situation has changed since selling used audio used to happen through newspaper classifieds. That’s how I bought and sold my gear in the 1970’s and 1980’s. One has to use common sense.  I look at something like PayPal as being like exchanging cash like in those earlier times. Currently, I insist in talking on the phone with the potential party to see if they are knowledgeable and an enthusiast. If not, I pass.

I did a trade on USAM last year. The other party and I exchanged several emails, establishing trust and a way for us both to feel comfortable. We talked about packing, shipping, and insurance. Then we exchanged photos of our gear packed and labeled. Finally we exchanged receipts showing tracking numbers. 

It wasn't as complicated as it sounds. I would propose something and he would either agree or suggest an alternative. It was all done over three days. Both of us were happy with the outcome. 

I for one will always vote to keep the forums politics free.  And that means both/all sides!

Some posters are sooo predictable 😴 

You have to have a good sense of the other party’s trustworthiness. Check their feedback at a minimum. Ask for a phone no. and have a conversation. Some people have far better intuition than others about this. If you know you have trouble reading people, get a friend or relative to review your communications with the other party and alert you to any red flags. The only bad experiences I’ve had here have involved rude emails not actual scams or ripoffs. 

@willywonka

Because they have nothing to add to the question that was asked from the OP! Bringing up politics on an audio site must be filling an empty void for them! Very sad!

+1 audio comments not political comments on this forum. 

Why can't people (Who should know better) keep the stupid political comments out of the Audio forums? You know it's going to be divisive and get a response! Grow up people!

It’s hilarious that a reference to convicted felons is assumed to be a reference to our moron in chief.

Wow, I guess that the post above yours flew so far over my head that I totally missed it, @jond ! Was that what @carlsbad2 was responding to? I was simply advising the OP that making deals with convicted felons could potentially get him to be inadvertently involved in the chargeable offense of receiving stolen property. I had no idea that this advice would make @carlsbad2 so defensive!

Show up with a friend and don't go in if it's in a sketchy neighborhood? Not sure what the question is. 

Not sure what you mean. I suppose it's impossible on audiogon because they get their fee and percentage, but you can solicit trades on USAM.