QSA Stones

The 'science' aspect of audio started disappearing when patch cords were re-named interconnects and PRaT was considered more valuable than data. 

Wake up boys and girls there's very little on this forum that's about the love of Music; it's a lot more about bling. 

noske

To some the issue is about the ethics of making claims that cannot be substantiated in any objective manner.

This is a hobbyist's group, not a scientific forum. No one here owes anyone scientific proof of anything. If that's an "issue" for you, you may be in the wrong place.

I’m always surprised by the claims made by occult tweaker products. I use the word "occult" because these products make big claims but always supply small to zero evidence to justify them. They’ll always tell you what you should "expect" to hear when you try them-- and that is part of the success of occult products-- the power of suggestion. You project differences that you think you hear onto the product-- often just cheap crap like rocks, paint, or "black box" specials. Saying rocks will make your system sound better because of some special "ju ju" that no can even begin to explain and back up with any credible evidence is the seed they plant in your mind-- then your mind does the rest. The "eye witness" theory-- as in, "I heard it so it must be so" is meaningless. Courts understand that even eyewitnesses are often very unreliable-- as memories can be altered just by thinking about them.

All that said, if you take a pill and feel better, it can be the pill, or it can be the placebo effect-- something very real but not very well understood. That effect is probably more real than the magical benefits of $80 rocks that cost very little and do even less-- other that to perhaps decrease some vibrations-- something most non-magical rocks can also do quite well.

As an aside-- those rocks look like crap for $80 apiece. If you’re going to rip people off selling dressed up rocks, at least slap a decent looking sticker on them and paint them a pretty color so that they don’t look like cow-sh!t yeah?

@mr-m
Saying I disagree with you is not an attack.
It's an opinion.

Saying I spend my money foolishly is an attack.
That's an insult.

"Please elaborate on exactly what it means to be a flat-earther."

In this instance, I'll go with "I've never heard it, therefore it doesn't exist."

Happy Listening, folks.

@jerrybj,

Looking back on this thread, it looks like you had no problem cheering on others who threw out insults. Not to mention your own name calling. So please don't act like your so innocent. 

Rocks - The 3 C’s; Color, Cut and Cult….

No wonder she didn’t like that ring I got her..

My take is IF the placebo gets you high, buy em…..

I have never insulted anyone for spending money on whatever they please. I merely pointed out a few things that I believe are worth thinking about when considering an occult tweaker product.

MillerCarbon has shared some pretty well thought through opinions about just trusting your ears (assuming they’re any good) and not always searching for a scientific explanation for why something improves the sound-- but that does not mean that most or all of the "improvement" you hear with some of these products is not all in your head. After all, that’s where the music goes doesn’t it?

That said, with respect to vibration control, there is no question that quashing as many extraneous vibrations as possible will improve the sound of your system. I am committed to trying the nobb springs because of MillerCarbon’s writing on this subject.

I have two decent turntables-- a SOTA Star Sapphire VI with an Origin Live arm and Soundsmith Hyperion cartridge that plays at very loud volumes with little or no audible vibrational feedback-- played out to Genesis III floor-standing speakers and Genesis Servo-12 subs.

My other turntable, a MoFi Ultradeck, sits on a butcher block which sits on six Isoaccoustics Orea feet. This deck will cause some vibrational feedback above a certain volume level. This is the one I’m hoping I can improve with some nobb springs, or Townsend springs possibly.

Anyway, I try to focus on the obvious stuff-- most of that being my rooms deficiencies-- so vibration and reflection are the demons that I still wrestle with.

I think I will try a red amp, blue pre-amp and purple speakers and see how that sounds. Why not?😉

Maybe they can try their coloured rocks on these, and get some Technicolor going

https://ibb.co/JdYvmKs

I keep hearing the term "shill".
Doesn’t that imply someone has a vested interested in selling the product in question?

Who’s selling something here?

Go read MC posts he is a dealer for for a couple of these Tweak Guys, BDR Cones, Townsend Audio. If it walks like a duck….. guess we can just call them carnival barkers. 

I don’t care what you buy, where you buy it, and from whom you buy it. I don’t know if QSA tone-stones work, I’ve never tried them. 

I have tried several tweaks in my system that absolutely made a difference. 

But to never try something because you don’t think it could possibly work, and therefore shout from the mountaintops that whoever DOES try it is an idiot and wasting their money......well, kind of seems your opinion isn’t worth a whole lot to me. What do you care how much money I spend on and what I choose to try/buy? 

Could care less what you buy either. I have tried all this crap and guess what it did not work. Guess you have have an entry level Raven and Tektons for it to work….

I guess it’s whoever argues most (and loudest) in the most passive aggressive way wins? 

I have no doubt who the ignorant flat-earthers are in this thread.

You have no idea!  I guess MC wins every time then LOL NOT!

QSA stones, not personal opinions weather or not someone is part of someone's sales staff.

A shill is a "plant", a huckster. HE IS NEITHER. He speaks about the products HE owns and paid for.. No freebies.. No payed or bribed advertisement.. He likes the product..

ASK MC, he is an honest fellow, and a Agon member I personally like..

There is a point where it's as simple as "Jealousy brings unkind words".

Nothing to offer to the thread "LIKE" Repeat George. ZERO..

QSA Stones, have you tried them? I haven't.

Regards

For anyone who maybe interested, QSA has new stone items:  QSA Gemstones - Pack of 5 https://www.tweekgeek.com/qsa-gemstones-pack-of-5/

I also found it interesting that in the product description it says:

Red: Warmth, bloom, and decay

Clear: High frequencies, air, space. Good with tube components, not good with metal dome tweeters.

Blue: lower Mids and upper mids: Openness, texture, layering, transparency

(new) Black: Air, space, texture. This one is my favorite, along with the blue. The two together open up the sound in a refined way.

Clear: 'not good with metal tweeters.'

5 https://www.tweekgeek.com/qsa-gemstones-pack-of-5/

Thanks for posting that link!! Cheers George

I missed that one, OMG🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

This is just outrageous what’s claimed!!!!!!!!!!!

"Sound

All seem to lower the noise floor, and allow more recording ambience and decay through. They also seem to make the presentation more liquid and natural sounding. However, the different colors seem to influence different frequencies more than others. There is also some overlap between them.

Red: Warmth, bloom, and decay

Clear: High frequencies, air, space. Good with tube components, not good with metal dome tweeters.

Blue: lower Mids and upper mids: Openness, texture, layering, transparency

(new) Black: Air, space, texture. This one is my favorite, along with the blue. The two together open up the sound in a refined way."

@Admin please put a Bullitt in it. 

Dude, if i ever leave Adiogon.....  I assure everoynt that you YOU are the reason................just saying

You obviosley get kid gloves around here.

I'm tbinking 

Mihael's sending out the call.

@Admin
This thread is just just a load of mud slinging now many times personal.
This thread has gone toxic and needs to be euthanized.

The mud slinging started with George and has continued unabated because of same. Maybe he needs another timeout. It sure was peaceful here during the time of his last break. What do you say admin?

And no, I don't own and will not buy any of these stones. 

And no, I don’t own and will not buy any of these stones.

Good for you, at least you see the illegal selling hoax going on here??

Maybe he needs another timeout. It sure was peaceful here during the time of his last break. What do you say admin?

Or maybe you need time out for promoting this outrageous rock hoax, and turning this place into a "snake oil pit"

@oldhvymec …

” A shill is a "plant", a huckster. HE IS NEITHER. He speaks about the products HE owns and paid for.. No freebies.. No payed or bribed advertisement.. He likes the product..“

And how the hell do you know ?

@coralkong 
“ 
Dude, if i ever leave Adiogon..... I assure everoynt that you YOU are the reason................just saying “

Awwww Bless …. I simply don’t know how we all coped before you rocked up 6 months ago LoLLLLLLL 

@georgehifi 

That link does the same thing....read the text.....the claim is "SEEMS to.....blah blah blah"
It would not be legal for such a scam to imply the stones actually do anything.  

I could care less about the cliques here that bully people. All it takes for evil to prosper is good men to do nothing.  So many guys in this hobby are older, and frankly, their faculties are not as sharp as they used to be so "caveat emptor" is not fair to the disabled. Perhaps you should start an Official Audio Scam thread? If you are passionate, you could post similar threads in other forums?  I have emailed some of these vendors to send me a "demo" set before I purchase but of course zero replies. 

My opinions of those who support taking advantage of the less mentally acute has been substantially lowered.  I would not trust the same to suggest a headphone holder.

Honestly, perhaps  the entire thread is a joke by folks having too many cocktails and a good laugh.  Or they have smoked their breakfast one too many times?  

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

Up to 20 plus post without a single contribution to the thread.

Admin at what point do you actually step in?

Paying VENDORS are threatening legal action, Agon members are threating to leave the forums and the rhetoric continues.

Do the members need to tally a VOTE?

Or just leave, I’m close with this clown.

I support Agon with MY money..

With what I’ve tried and learned through the years as a mechanic. I don’t need or have to, it’s a choice.

NOT an obsession. (well maybe)

I’ve personally seen some weird STUFF that worked, no idea why, didn’t care why.. It WORKED..

Some things I do care about like my O2 concentrator. :-)

That’s right MY O2 machine will put out enough concentrated O2 to raise the Titanic and the DEAD... I have 12 available for shipping right NOW..

PM if in need of a turbo charged (climate change activated) O2 concentrator. It can blow up a standard car tire in 30 seconds when using the optional (and reasonably priced) solar adaptor kit. 3K for off the grid..
1K for a standard residential charge kit. :-)

BTW I’m paying people to say it works even if it doesn’t. They are shills, I pay them to LIE.. Full disclosure... They will say anything for a buck..

I’ve broken all 8 Commandments, I left out TWO because I didn’t want to cop to um...

Regards..

i use a book, so at least they
can read