Preamp recommendations up to $2000

Check the "goN" for the following:

SS
Jeff Rowland Capri S preamplifier with phono card

Tubes
Conrad Johnson Premier 17LS line stage preamp
Shindo Aurieges L
Hovland HP-100 with mm and mc-7 phono

Audio Horizons TP 2.0 or 2.1
Lamm LL2
Supratek Chenin.
All used of course and yes if you could stretch that budget another $500 you'll be well rewarded.

Though they do not come up FS often, look for PS Audio GCP. I owned on for a number of years.

I second LaPierre's suggestion for Rowland Capri as an excellent SS option. I also listen mostly to classical music and prefer Capri over ARC Ref 3 for extension, linearity, and harmonic integrity. Just 2 words of qualification. . .
1. Capri is symmetrically balanced and will ield best results in a fully balanced configuration using XLR ICs throughout the system.
2. The bass generated by Capri is deep, tuneful, has authority. . . but is not 'full', if full means yielding a euphonic emphasis of the lower octaves.

Guido

The PrimaLuna amps sound great, and are very user-friendly, if you want to stick to the tubes.

A VAC Standard Le used is a good deal at 2000 $ used. Includes a mc/mm phono stage.

For solid state I would look at Klyne and for tube I also like Atmasphere.

I just auditioned a Bryston BP-6 that's in your price range, and if "open" is what you're after I can't imagine it getting much better than this. Ultra clean and undistorted sound with holographic imaging in spades that emerges from a crystal clear backdrop. Only negative is it doesn't offer balanced connections if that matters. Best of luck.

For $2000 used, I would suggest the Pass X-1. It is extremely neutral and quiet, though I haven't heard it with the Edge amp. There are a few reviews online.

I am quite happy with my newly acquired Modright swlp 9.0se w/ external tube PS. I have it driving VTL Deluxe 300 monoblocks into Infinity Gammas. Very detailed and not harsh at all. Very nice preamp and a steal at the price.

Dodd Battery Preamp. You don't find many used, but close to that price new.

Boy there is a deHavilland Ultraverve on agon for $1900+-. Go to the dehavilland website and read Dick Olshers review. Enough said.

I would have thought that "neutrality" was the ideal for a preamp. That is, if possible, the preamp should do as little sonically to the source signal as possible. I'm not sure what's meant by "presence" exactly, or "openness," (no criticism of your vocabulary, by the way--audiophilese is laden with such obscurities) but I would think bass would be better addressed w/ tone controls, room treatments and the like. Ideally, to my way of thinking, the best preamp is the one that exactly matches the sound of the source fed directly into the amp, unless of course you're using the preamp to mollify the perceived deficiencies of something else in your system.

A second vote for the PASS X1 or X2.5 - both are excellent neutral sounding well-built fully balanced Preamps. - with great customer service from PASS as well. Worth checking out...

The Ultra SL hybrid tube/solid state preamp from Audio by Van Alstine is a terrific component regardless of cost, but it does happen to cost less than $2k.

Audio Research LS5 MKIII it's the one componant of mine I've never been tempted to upgrade.

I would expect sounds real, and any retailer for that matter, to disclose their affilitaion with the products endorsed in a thread.

Not doing so is unethical.

deHavilland!!

Tvad,

I'd be very interested in your observations on the Juicy Music pre.

2nd DODD battery pre.
Great.....if not awesome. Especially when compared to preamps in that class and price range.
Garage brand at its best.........Right Bill?

Mariusz

OP, any thoughts?

LOL, No, I'm still here. I got more replies than I thought I would and am trying to research them all. I kindly thank everyone who has replied.

As to my thoughts, I haven't formed any concrete ones yet. I wish I could go to $2500, but really can't. I'm leaning to staying with tubes and am wondering how much improvement some of these suggestions would make over my budget model. Wish there was somewhere to rent some of this equipment to listen to for awhile.

Xrayz,

I'm in a similar boat as you regarding a possible pre-amp upgrade in the same general price range. I have identified many options including some mentioned here. I think when and if I do it, I will create a short list and then look to see which ones match up best to my amp in regards to output impedance and sensitivity levels to narrow it down further. I have no idea yet at this point exactly where that would leave me.

One option I would consider that would not get much mention otherwise I think is a vintage Tandberg pre-amp only because I have owned a Tandberg receiver (TR2080) and mated it with my system with very excellent results in the past and I think a Tandberg pre-amp would be even more exceptional.

Audible Illusions Modulud 3A...(I love saying that). Its around 800-1200 used. Tubed pre. Go for the L2 version if you can (comes with remote). Amazing pre for half of what your willing to pay. Look it up on google and here in the forums...its an amazing piece that is many ways approaches my 10,000 Wytech Labs Opal pre. No joke.

If you have any money tied up in a good power cable, or were going to, then consider that the Dodd doesn't need one, since it runs off battery power.
Of the suggestions above that are in or close to $2k, nothing comes close IME. The Supratek is closest, and includes a very good phono stage, but note that the company isn't in business any longer, if that matters to you.

Haven't heard the Rowland Capri. Cheers,

Spencer

Just to give you some perspective on the Dodd, I've come to prefer it after having owned CAT, Lamm, Joule, Placette Active and Passive, Atma-sphere (which I prefer with my Atma amps) and a BENT Tap-X. I'm not saying you would like it better than any of these, though most would be out of the price range you are considering, but the Dodd certainly competes in this league. I especially like it with some NOS Amperex rolled in, the preamp essentially let's you hear the tube to some extent so it can be "voiced" to your preference - it doesn't sound at all badd with the JJ it comes with. As a former owner of the AI 3A, I can say that all of the above preamps were preferable to my ears - though for $800-1,200 it is a might fine sounding unit, just not in the same league with Dodd IMHO.

I second the deHavilland. There is a Mercury II for sale right now on Audiogon for $1995. If I didn't already own one, I'd buy it.

What is the input impedance of your Edge amp? Not sure about the output impedance of the other amps mentioned (AI was quite high if I remember correctly) but the Dodd is a 200 ohm output impedance (a very good thing for balanced sound across the bandwidth) single ended which about as low I've seen on a tube preamp and should be quite compatible with lowish input impedances found on most SS amps.

There a Modwright with Tube recitfier and upgraded caps for $1700 here. That's a excellent preamp for that $$
No association. I own a Modwright and a Supratek . They do sound different but one is not really better than the other.
One needs to be sold soon, but the market here is pretty bad and if you have the bucks nows the time to find some great deals.

Tvad,

When will you get the Juicy Music?

I know i said I was leaning toward tubes, but does anyone have any experience with the Blue Circle BC 103 or CJ Premier 18LS? Thanks.

If you could stretch your budget about $400, an Aesthetix Calpso used would be really nice.

Tvad,

The switchable output impedance settings is intriguing to me.

How is the detail and imaging accuracy with each?

Does it have a phono pre-amp built in that can take a low out MC cart?

Also, how many outputs does it provide? Can it support a processor and output for recording concurrently?

Tvad,

What are your impressions compared to other Preamps you are familiar with?

What do you think a Peach would do for my system?

Tvad,

Thanks.

Keep the thoughts coming.

The Peach is high on my consideration list for next pre-amp in my system at some point.

Xrayz

I see there is a deHavilland Mercury on agon for $1900. Don't let that slip by.