New Synergistic Product: Tuning Discs
I was lucky enough to be asked to try out a prototype of a new Synergistic Research product. For now, I think they are calling it a Tuning disc.
What it looks like is a small wafer (smaller than a dime and is very thin). They are either in gold or purple tops and are attached using some tacking substance. I placed 2 on top of my Shunyata Sigma V2 interconnects.
I wasn’t expecting much but whoa, did these things work! First, I tried the purple on my interconnects and boy did the soundstage widen with lots of air.
Then I tried the gold discs and though the sound stage shrunk perhaps a little but the naturalness of the music was fantastic!
Hard to believe that these things work so well, I am really impressed.
ozzy
You know, many manufactures of audio gear were once DIY’s who shared their new gear with fellow members on sites just like this one and as word spread they had an opportunity to go to an audio show and got some orders, became entrepreneurs and the rest as they say is history. They are actually just like us. Someone with an idea, a multimeter, scope and a soldering gun. If Ted’s stuff didn’t work, we all wouldn’t be here, would we?
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It's just 1s and 0s - That can't possibly work - It measures terribly - No, I haven't tried it because I know more than you - AND I SPEAK IN CAPS when I am questioning your intelligence and at my most disparaging. Same story... I don't miss the likes of George one iota.
Most of my additions are fantastic. Well worth the cost for the improvement in music delivery. Huge thanks to members like Ozzy, Tommylion, Frank etc. |
You didn't have to listen for hours to hear a difference? Nothing subtle about it?. Haven't tried them so I can't comment. |
Can someone please explain how these discs work? Anyone? Sans any kind of reality based explanation or double-blind tests that truly validate these discs, the only rational explanation for their powers lies in your own mind-- it's called the Placebo Effect and it is indeed very powerful-- you will hear differences, things you never heard before, and perversely, if I snuck into your house and removed those little discs without your knowledge, I would be willing to bet anyone here that you would still hear those same improvements, until it was revealed the little discs were removed. The mind is a powerful thing, one can convince one's self of almost anything. Again, want to place a few bets? |
Buy some and test over 30 days. Surely you’re in tune with yourself and confident enough in your abilities to judge accurately for yourself over weeks. Right? If you think you will dupe yourself due to the “placebo effect” over a 4 week period, then you really can’t just yourself to buy anything and correctly judge if it works better, tastes better, smells better, cleans better, makes you feel better and on and on…You should let others decide for you if you can’t trust yourself when making all manner of purchases.
The mind is a powerful thing so just use it and decide for your self over time. Pretty simple. Yes, I bet you can make the right and true decision for your system and ears. |
Exactly @wesheadley . You explained to a t what I called tomfoolery.
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I do know my own mind well enough to NEVER trust first impressions with respect to the changes I make to my analog front end. Partly because I understand the placebo effect and the fallibility of human perception. Waiting for the UFO’s! Waiting... |
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I guess if I could explain how they work, I could make my own! Don’t begrudge someone from a making a profit on their ideas. We all would like to. Yes? I doubt if you fellows would hear the difference even if your ears could, you have made up your mind. Too bad though, you’re missing out on some of the fun of this hobby. ozzy |
"I don't understand it, therefore it cannot work, therefore I won't try it." You might apply this logic to your own thinking, but with a twist... How about, "I don't understand it, therefore it must work". That better? |
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Yes, the placebo effect. Apparently it has no effect on true believers. Yet, despite being true believers, they don't seem to have total self confidence about their ability to hear the difference between a green and a black Sharpie when I suggested a friendly wager to test how valid those beliefs really are. My only gripe is that people are being ripped off. When the profit margins are orders of magnitude above the actual costs (and let's be real, what substantial research and development costs could there be in many of these cases?), I think that's not a very cool thing to do to people who are honestly trying to make their systems sound better through tweaks. So who does? |
" Answer my questions: How many $20K cables do you have on hand that we can try?How many $5K power cables that we can swap back and forth? Where are you located? What kind of components are we going to test these on? Let me know, and I will see if I can get a set that we can try out...." My Main System: SOTA Sapphire VI w/ vacuum hold-down, Origin Live Silver arm mkII, Soundsmith Hyperion cart, Genesis III speakers and subs, Musical Fidelity "Vinyl" phone preamp, McCormack DNA Gold Amp & Preamp. Morrow and WireWorld cables. I have tied cables costing in the thousands-- no better than cables costing in the few hundred dollars on up range. The differences are subtle flavor notes on wines-- not better or worse, just differences. You will never be able to rank them based upon sound quality and price. Even more so with power cables-- above a certain materials and build quality. Of course cheap crappy cables can be bested by well designed and made higher end versions-- but when you get to the thousands of dollars per cable... it just mental booshwa. |
I see the Audioholichs pinhead followers are out today. When they offer a FULL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE...... Yep you are a pinhead. There is zero, notta, zilch, risk with SR products. I know as I have returned some that netted a low ROI. I bid you good day @wesheadley and your side kick @gita Say hi to Gene.
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Funny that the posts attacking my character for questioning the truth in advertising of these tweaker products remain, but many of my responses, which never attack anyone personally, but do question the claims of many of these products are often summarily removed. |
That’s a very fair and rational decision on a purchase (or lack thereof). We are all adults and make our decisions. Fine. Although they are not available for sale yet to general public.
My question for you is why the tantrum in this thread? You sound angry. Challenging people with bets and all. What are you trying to accomplish? If something does not interest me, I just ignore it, and don’t waste my time on useless discussions about that something. No?
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I questioned your thought process and the fact that one only has to “prove” the worth of a tweak to themselves, not to you or anyone else. I do feel humans are capable of making good buying decisions without always, or even mostly, being influenced by placebo and other supposed mental plagues on humanity. No need to try and prove something to you when in the end it seems all of our reasoning falls short of truth according you your hypothesis. Even blind testing will have “effects” so I just trust my ears and emotional connection to the music over time with my upgrades and tweaks. They will inform me correctly over time. Goodness, if they don’t, then we are all doomed 😬. I may need a purchasing life coach! |
"I bid you good day @wesheadley and your side kick @gita Say hi to Gene." You misapprehend me sir. My post was sarcasm. Sorry it was lost on you. In every subjective/objective contentious thread, without fail, someone brings up "the placebo effect" as if they invented it and none of the rest of us had considered it. It's tiring. That's why I was making fun.
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Now, now, now......let’s just wait and see what happens. :)
@wesheadley , I would encourage you stretch out and test your absolute and objective audio beliefs. Why not reach out directly? You might be surprised at some of our members' generosity. Take the tour. Listen for yourself. Then report back, and write a review.
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Placebo effect is one thing....Nocebo effect work too... If someone decided that some change in his system cannot affect the sound his brain will CONFORM the sensory apparatus and will negate the effect of the change which will not be observed not even registered ...
Then ONLY one thing count for me: change introduced in an incremental process of continuous changes in one direction .... The general tuning direction of my system.... It is called tuning a system/room... Each step is debatable....The process in his wholeness and complete effect is not.... I used my own homemade devices in the mechanical and the electrical embeddings dimensions and especially my tuning devices in the acoustical dimension... placebo effect? Yes for each step separated from all the others in some case certainly there exist a form of placebo effect... But explaining all my system S.Q. completely transformed AT THE END by only the magic of the placebo is bad science use of a serious concept... Why not the reverse? Why all measures obsessed people would not be described by being nocebo bearer ?
I have no idea if Synergistic products works and to which degree but consumers must decide by themselves BY EXPERIMENT... Myself i need nothing but i will not bash others because they are curious to experiment... Judging others experience to be delusion is only that : a prejudice worst than what some want to denounce... The only thing that interest me in this product is what it is made of? ( i created my own " golden plates" years ago who act also like a filter all along my electrical line) Alas! it is a trade secret i presume...Mine were a composite of shungite ( a carbon based minerals) copper and quartz.... 😁😊 |
@gita yes it was lost on me and I apologize as I was puzzled from painting the tank on my Ducati. Have leak in my respirator. @tsushima1 you have no idea who or what I am. Some tweaks do work. I have the feeling the only reasonable people in your book agree with you. Well I am not that guy I am an independent thinker.
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Of course there are , and my comment was based upon observation of your usual easy going demeanour on the forum toward others As to “ I have the feeling the only reasonable people in your book agree with you “ You really couldn’t be farther from the truth … I am quite content to play the lone wolf , it merely happens that some members around here seem to have independently come to the same conclusion regarding certain individuals that I have. Now were you to apply your “ I have the feeling the only reasonable people in your book agree with you “ to some significantly Narcissistic individuals around here and their followers you would be closer to the mark |
@tsushima1 the measurement guys drive me nuts. |
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@wesheadley , You never had any $20K cables to try, nor any $5K power cables to swap back and forth, did you? *shocking*
EDIT: California is a big state. Where in Calif? I am out in SD for business next month. Anywhere near there? What kind of cables do you have? What's your gear? I will have a rental car, so.....let me know. I'll take you up on your bet.
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Well with the pathetic comment, you'd be welcome in my home if my dog would let you in. I don't think she would, so that's out. Can't call people pathetic and not offend the dog too. The rabbit, well he's pretty quiet about the whole deal.. Can you guys video the test? No mater what anyone thinks there is a point where the sound from a cable changes the sound, the quality is there, so work from there.. Pretty simple.. that .25% per 1000.00 spent is just that. Dollars spent. I normally could spend 100th of that and spend it on the room and get 20-30% increase in SQ.. There may be 5-10-20-30K cables, I just don't need them to make my system sound good. My cables are 2-300.00. Will 20K cables sound different? YES, will they sound better NO.. It's just like 20K amps, and preamps and DACs. They cost someone 20K, not me. Sorry there is a reason for tone control and it's not built into my cables.. LOL I'll tell you what I been tinkering with magnets and cables.. Holy Moly!! Anything that can affect the field in that cable can surely affect the sound.. NOW you know why the disk change the sound, they affect the fields different mumbo jumbo. How's that for an explanation, Mr Smarty Pants.. Regards |
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4 for $200? At $50 a pop, sounds not only affordable but a great return on your investment with a 30 day money back guarantee. Just saying... $50? A family of 5 every time they go to the big box grocery store spends almost as much on toilet paper... Go figure. |
