My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!
So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:
Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series NAD M25 PARASOUND HALO PARASOUND CLASSIC KRELL TAS KRELL KAV 500 KRELL CHORUS ROTEL RMB 1095 CLASSE CT 5300 CLASSE CA 2200 CLASSE CA 5200 MCINTOSH MC 205 CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7 OUTLAW AUDIO 755 LEXICON RX7 PASS LABS XA 30.8 BUTLER AUDIO 5150 ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005
With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer. My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)
NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes) Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)
Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)
rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)
cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)
parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)
lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)
McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.
butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)
pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.
classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)
Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:
PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.
Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.
Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?
Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp. Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.
It is articulate sounding too Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.
Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.
Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.
Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.
Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either. Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.
Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.
My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.
That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!
Agree with WC, jafox, bigddesign3 about how stats are not optimally demoed at shows. I stopped going to shows years ago. The only value was to meet designers. However, my first foray into the high end was right after I got my first job as a doctor in 1977. I wanted the Maggie Tympani 1D, but needed to get a new car. I got the speakers, but compromised with a big receiver and used my old AR turntable with a mediocre MM Shure M91ED cartridge. This was good enough to thrill me with the superiority of the Maggie to my old Advent speakers. Of course, later I upgraded the other components and could better appreciate them with the Maggies already in the system. Following what bigddesign3 notes, ML is targeting the midfi market at Best Buy stores. I encourage novices to go there and see how the cheaper ML stats even poorly set up, kill everything else in the store. They can then enter our high end world. At the same time, the sophisticated audiophile knows that there are dedicated dealers who do a better job, where he can get better advice. But as WC noted, there are few or no dealers who demo the Neo. This is a major deficiency, because it cannot be assumed that the Neo is just another ML speaker. Ideally, a dealer should demo both top ML speakers--the Neo and CLX Art. The Neo is for the guy who wants much of everything who has a big enough room, and the CLX is for someone who wants the highest accuracy who is willing to compromise on big dynamics.
He’s just making an observation. I don’t think he’s trying to sell me anything. This is feedback I’ve received from different dealers in the past. i was also told the magico A3 sound like garbage in this show.
WC , You did not actually go to the show..right? Is it your Dealer who is giving you the feedback that the Neoliths sounded terrible ? Keep in mind , he wants to sell you expensive gear so he can make a lot of money. I am not saying they didn’t sound bad , but keep that in mind. Do you think he would tell you that the Parasound Audio gear sounded Great with the Neoliths, and you do not really need those Block Audio Amps ? I am just sayin’
I feel that Martin Logan uses lower case preamps and amplifiers as a marketing strategy to sell the speaker initially. I have noticed that much of the advertising shows claims of "easy to drive" with many different equipment options, even Receivers.
We all know that Martin Logan plays so much better with the right amplifiers. Class A amps just make for better sound with MLs, and I have called them and they won't tell you what brand to use. But they did say that an amp with a doubling of power down to 2 ohms or even better 1 ohm is what seems to work best.
So it looks to me like what the strategy behind inferior equipment is to get you to buy the product first. I don't think for a minute that Martin Logan is clueless. I think that they don't want to be bunched into the class of speaker that only sounds good with something really, really expensive. Eventually the speaker owner will figure it out by talking to some others about how much better sounding they are with great electronics.
WC, I can relate to your exact scenario 5 years back at the So Cal "Newport" show. I spent many years optimizing Sound Lab A1 electrostatics, much tube rolling in preamp, dac and amps, tried a ton of cables, and ultimately reached magic. And then I heard the A1's at that audio show, and the dealer was using midfi gear and sources and my reaction was the same as yours. The sound was ok, clearly not nearly the worst of the show, in fact sounded better than I expected, but still, nobody going into that room had any idea the potential of those speakers. I wanted so badly to go home and bring my preamp in there which would have significantly improved the performance. Oh well. But a handful of other showrooms put on outstanding demonstrations and so it was worth it. And it is nice to finally meet and talk to some of the designers we have all read about over the years.
WCSS, Keep on your path of trying out gear in your system, it is the only real way to judge. I underestimated Neoliths based on 4 "Show" auditions, I'm glad you forged ahead and gave them a try. Good luck on your quest and I hope you can maybe find and end-all system.
I hate seeing those Neoliths in that environment. I would have fired everyone who put that together. It’s a disgrace to see their best speaker with Parasound gear. Please don’t take this as an insult to parasound but it’s in no way, shape or form at the level of a Neolith. That speaker is made for the “heavy hitters” such as Dag, constellation, soulution, block, etc. Why don’t I go buy a corvette zr1 and order some Chinese tires to run 200 mph laps around the homestead speedway and then fill up the tank with 87 octane fuel? Gas is gas right ? I am so happy I didn’t go to the show. I probably would have gone off. ONE LAST THING FOR ALL OF YOU WHO GO TO SHOWS ALL THE TIME: this is the kind of garbage they do at shows. This is how SOME OF YOU judge gear. Take THIS as an EXAMPLE that what you hear at shows isn’t always how a component should sound. You actually need to remember that there are idiots there connecting rca and xlr cables and pretending to create magic. This is why I do my own thing and don’t listen to magazines or stupid shows. It’s all polluted with lies and stupidity.
gtaphite, I agree that context is important, but there can still be generalizations about equipment that are still valid. For obvious examples, a ref 10 tube preamp will have totally different character than a Boulder. A dealer whose customer wants the kind of sound liked by WC would not recommend the Boulder, regardless of the speaker. The dealer's experience would not treat each system as a totally blank slate where anything can be tried at random. There has to be some process of narrowing down the likely choices to come close to the desired sound. The list of good choices is made from the known general characteristics of the component in many diverse systems. Then, the context of the total sound can better define the best choice. I think this is what you mean by "context."
WC, You are right that those inferior electronics at the show don't allow the Neo to sound its best. Another big factor is setup of the Neo in the room. When you first put them in your room, you were underwhelmed. Then you experimented with toe-in, and most important, got 5-6 feet behind them which made a big difference. But even with a great setup, which takes more time than exhibitors can do, any stat has a sweet spot. Listeners way off axis are not getting the quality of the guy in the sweet spot. Even those listeners in the middle (left/right) but in different rows are getting different sounds because the angle of toe-in varies with distance. The most valid comment is from the guy in the single sweet spot, with everyone else's opinion to be taken less seriously.
Well, maybe the new Parasound duo is better than their older line. Maybe you are just overestimating the overall difference the block audio amplifiers bring to the table compared to that new Parasound amp.
. DAC/preamp plays a good part of the final result you are earing. You could just bring your Lampi and Odin 1 and plug it in the Parasound amp at the show, and you would get a good part of what you have home....
So I’m not sure if some of you know, but there’s a big audio show going on this weekend in Tampa. It actually started today and I was told the Neolith are there and sounded awful.... well, then when I was sent pics and saw what they were using (check my virtual system and look at the red pair of neoltihs) and sooooo Martin Logan was showcasing neoltihs with a parasound stereo amp, parasound preamp and aurender as a source. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING !!!!!! This is a perfect example of what I’ve been saying all along. You CAN NOT do this to these speakers and I’m shocked that Martin Logan would do that. It’s almost like they don’t care to do this to their flagship speaker. Why in the world would they do this?????? Who buys a 80k speaker and uses 3k amplifiers, 2k preamp with it!!!!! it just fires me up and this is why I said it a few pages ago that I wish I was there brought my full set up so I can embarrass them. It really is ridiculous what they are doing. How stupid do you have to be ?
I have been reading this thread for many months and throughout you have made many well conceived contributions and many conclusions. Some of the conclusions have not made it through the group's filter as you know as we detected that you sometimes conclude without actual experience. I see that you are working on that. You also have a knack of taking other's points that were made in context and removing the context and concluding as if they are now black and white. Many of those don't make it through my filter.
All you need to do to make this a positive thread again is to review your conclusions and any that are not crystal clear turn them into queries (as ideas are great) for the group to chime in on.
WC, All you need is one more Odin power cord to do some interesting trials. Then you could try 2 on the Block monos to see how the Odins improve on the stock or other power cords you now have on the Blocks. While you await the 2nd power cord, you could use the one you have on 1 channel of the Block and the other cord on the other channel. Listen to a mono recording and hear the difference between the two channels. Then try the Odins on other components to see where they have the greatest benefit. There are fewer variables with the Odin speaker cables, so that is an easy test. I recall Nordost advising that the power cord is the most important cable to try first to get the biggest benefit.
Well I can say this to you: there’s NOTHING lean about Odin 1 in my set up and the highs are better than they were before and mind you I’m still using wireworld interconnects and speaker cables. I’m switching to odin speaker cables next week so I guess we will see what happens. Right now, my set up sounds the best I’ve ever heard it.
Let this thread go back on track, ( and the clowns go back to silence).
Now Odin 1 power cord is supposed to far inferior to Odin 2.
Much like the Valhalla 1 is much inferior to Valhalla 2...and yes I have heard both on the same system. It’s not even close, the older Noordost series suffers from lack of midrange richness and are prone to leanness. I know this, I have experienced this, it is a fact. I hope WC that you don’t need any grand jury written proof of this for it to be acceptable input to your thread... Remember , your thread would be nothingness without us the followers. We have faith in your honesty, please show to same to ours.
For all those who bash me personally, WC doesn't want your negative personal attacks which can draw attention from the moderators, risking shutdown of this valuable thread. Many people have different listening observations and preferences from me, which is fine if they don't engage in personal attacks and tasteless jokes at my expense. The record shows that I don't initiate personal attacks, but just state my findings from personal observations, or sometimes note that a review said such and such. By contrast, the negative personal comments are initiated by people who disagree with me, and then compounded by the cackles that "that was hilarious." As WC advises, restrict your comments to honest findings about equipment.
Oh my, RIAA, what a great chuckle for the start of a new day.
And thank you psnyder149 and pokey77.
Keep this thread going by stating FACTS with evidence and without drawing conclusions by what you read or someone else told you. I think this is indeed what is ticking people off.
Great suggestion. We will soon learn how effective your request will be.
And WCSS, would you please give a short summary of the last few "top" power cords you have tried at each component, and a rating at each of those components. This might help some of us to determine if it's worth your time for us to send a PC to you for trial. And what power cord are you currently using on the conditioner?
I actually got a ride with James Taylor hitch hiking on Martha’s Vineyard ages ago. Not a big deal, he/his family had a place there. Back in those days hitch hikng was fairly common, especially on the Vineyard where it cost a fortune to bring a car onto the ferry.
Well WCSS if those are the new rules I know what pieces of gear we are gonna hear about again and again. Sing along with me....My Apologies to James Taylor in advance for butchering his song.
Now Ive Heard MYTEK and Ive Heard RANE
Ive Played my Violin in public bathrooms now and then
All- it is clear to me that some of my daily followers are very offended by strong opinions from people who formulate opinions based on the “expertise” they gather from reading magazine articles which are often times financed by the big audio companies needing marketing in order to push product out the door. Although at times there are indeed honest articles that are informative and can help in making a big purchase, my thread gives input/opinion with gear that I own and that I DO NOT NEED for the manufacturer to give me a special deal in order to promote their product. I know factually some reviewers are bribed and given perks. Hell I wish I was given perks. Audiogon doesn’t even give me a discount code to save me some money in order for me to list my gear once I’m done with it and yes I know my thread draws traffic to this site which they benefit from. I don’t get a free taco with all the effort, time and money I spent and some of you certainly appreciate the fact that I don’t expect anything from anyone but one thing: Keep this thread going by stating FACTS with evidence and without drawing conclusions by what you read or someone else told you. I think this is indeed what is ticking people off. Talking in depth based on pure speculation. If someone wants to debate me then I welcome it AS LONG AS YOU CAN SAY YOU OWN OR HAVE OWNED the product.
"ezzigi, agreed with that review, Nordost Valhalla or Odin for power cable NO ( much overpriced)"
"Shunyata for power cable YES. Nordost Valhalla 2 or Odin for speaker cables YES. Nordost top tier speaker cables are the best you can find. They are truly remarkable. Expensive yes, but the very best have a cost. Not their powercables though."
techno, Are your statements on Nordost power cords based on actual listening tests in your system or dealer showroom? Or are they based on price alone?
Solid points. Thank you for taking the time to provide your experience with the gear you mentioned. Your tactfully pointed out observations regarding several posters that have taken over this thread are pretty spot on. Your comments are in no way hateful, just truthful. I also believe as Mr. Synder does, that many feel the same way and it would be most considerate if both offenders were to refrain from continually posting and trying to derail or "educate" this thread.
I have to say @techno_dude that I disagree with your comment about Shunyata PC. I tried the Alpha NR in my system along with the Delta in an A/B comparison. I as well as my GF thought the Delta's sounded better than the Alpha.
It is synergy in the system and what matches your ear's that is the most important.
I do not think there will be another cable for @whitecamaross that will beat or exceed the Odin for him. He found his sweet spot but it never hurts to try new things.
Yep there it is. "Lots of Gear" and yet after having SO MUCH experience we end up with Unknown Crappy speakers, A Luxman Amp paired with a Bottom of the Line McIntosh Pre-Amp. I AM IN AWE of the expertise and vast knowledge of synergy that put this impeccable system together. ALL HAIL THE TROLL...We're Not Worthy!!!
jetter, I am not a pro reviewer, just a dude who has seen a lot of audio gear pass in his living room.
ezzigi, agreed with that review, Nordost Valhalla or Odin for power cable NO ( much overpriced)
Shunyata for power cable YES. Nordost Valhalla 2 or Odin for speaker cables YES. Nordost top tier speaker cables are the best you can find. They are truly remarkable. Expensive yes, but the very best have a cost. Not their powercables though.
I really like AQ and have a lot of their cables, but I do have to agree that their recent PCs and speaker cables are clouded in a mystery. Was talking to a dealer and he mentioned the AQ reps didn't have much insight on the cables either. Yet they can be purchased today.
For Nordost, I remember reading a forum member on Stereophile doing some interesting mods to their Valhalla v1 PC to get lower-level detail. Very old post, but could be an interesting read, not sure how valid his conclusions are though. Just google "Truth about Nordost Valhalla power cord." I have always been intrigued by Nordost, hope to try the newer Valhallas.
Ditto. When a person brags about their lowly C47 and then has the audacity to trash some of the best gear in the hobby its just mind boggling. All the insecurities could not fit on a roll of toilet paper. Says his SPEAKERS are the component most in need of an upgrade....are you kidding me?? States he can afford the ARC/DAG's etc but would not waste his money....YET he cant come up with the meager scratch to get the Luxman 900U to go with his LUX 900 AMP. The LUX 900U is MUCH Cheaper than the other Pre's he says he can afford. Doesnt make any sense at all....hence the monikor TROLL.
Hi techno, I posted the question below yesterday but you did not respond to it. You have been a direct contributor to this thread. It is only natural when someone contributes as much as you have that those reading your posts want to learn of your knowledge base. I repeat my earlier post:
"techno, in the past you have mentioned you are not a pro reviewer. How do you have such a vast knowledge of so much gear?"
I would like to invite you to come to Chicago, IL, specifically to the suburb of Morton Grove, to visit a retailer named Quintessence Audio. For the record, I have no special relationship with them other than having been a relatively insignificant but loyal customer for approximately 30 years.
When you come, you can have the opportunity to hear the ARC ref 10 fed by DCS digital into 3 different Wilson speakers, or Sonus Fabre Aida $125k speakers, Focal, Dynaudio speakers or Pass Labs or any of SimAudio equipment or a host of other choices. While you are there, you might also listen to the Kubala Sosna cable loom or Cardas cables. You will then be able to experience first hand how inaccurate and “Euphonic” the ARC is compared to other top end solid state equipment. When I heard this system, I “only” got to hear DCS, ARC 10, SF Aida combination through an all Valhalla 2 loom. It was a $400k system and was absolutely stunning.
Normally, that system would have had an Odin 2 loom, but the entire $75k loom was out on loan to a customer. You know, it’s quite amazing that Quintessence sells any Odin cables in spite of having all those others to choose from in the store, or to take home and audition. I know that many reputable dealers offer home auditions so people can try within their own system in their own familiar environment. It is just normal. Your Nordost dealer slam was just plain ignorant.
I have never asked how much inventory Quintessence has on the floor at any given time, but I’m going to make an educated guess at over $3 million. I don’t know how many retail outlets in this niche market can support this kind of inventory and stay in business for over 30 years but I would be shocked if it were many more than a few in the country. The answer to your question about dealers is that overhead is huge, margins are thin, sales are tough in an environment where everyone wants a deal and the market is relatively small. Dealers have to make the best decisions they can while tightly managing cash flow in an economy that can turn south on a dime. The answer is not that they are afraid their products are inferior.
Since you consider yourself such a well educated and knowledgeable audiophile with your endless and generally misinformed posts I firmly believe that you will resist further contributions of your mindless drivel until you can come to Chicago and hear for yourself just how misguided much of what you write is. I’m sure you have both the intellectual curiosity and honesty to admit that when you hear first hand how great some of the items you slam are you will come around full circle. Just FYI, I do not own any ARC nor Odin cables, they are way beyond my means, but I do appreciate that they are wonderful products as are many others.
Before you fire off your retort and justification, please go back and reread what you have written since your self imposed but too-short lived Christmas exile. Ask yourself, how much are your words really contributing to the collective knowledge?
I will point out something you are not likely aware of... This thread has been thriving for around 30 months, most of the time without you. It appears you first started following it on or around April 23... 9 months ago. In only 1/3 of the lifetime of the thread, you are approaching 500 posts (nearly all on this thread) out of 5900 total posts—nearly 10%. WC, the one person we are all really interested in, has only posted 1500 times. Other people are too polite to you, but many share the feelings I am expressing. I am going to go out on a limb and predict others will support what I am writing.
Start your own discussion thread, maybe even join forces with techno_dude, and when you’ve been going strong for more than 2 years with a significant following, come back and tell me how wrong I was. Don’t bother till then!
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