First - thank you ron17, as I read your response I honestly panicked!!! I will certainly be more aware of volume going forward - hearing loss isn't what I'd like to have as I get older. Our speakers are ~ 9 3/4' apart and we sit ~ 11' away from them.
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Ok so I am now quite curious to know the following: How far are you from your speakers and how far apart are the speakers ? |
63-69 avg dB; ears are 12.75’ from speakers, which are 9.25’ apart |
What do you mean finally, the previous 725 is class AB, yes the 8 and 925 are class D but you cant say finally on his top amps when the previous model your speaking of is also class AB.
Ya we know you had the 925 sometime back but did you really let them break in fully before moving on.
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Hmm Rowland 735s Monos are shipping now...finally he is doing class AB on his top amps so will this rowland be the new game changer?? Is it in my room??? Will I be the first person to have this amp in his possession (outside of dealers )? Stay tuned...you never know... |
AVG 80-85db[downloaded a DB app a few years ago] Sometimes,usually involving Scotch ,90ish Db |
With a degree in music performance and playing live music for years in my teens, 20's and 30's I have played / heard a lot of loud music. I damaged my left ear around 20 years ago and now have to be carful of the volume I listen to now. I built a low distortion very detailed system that sounds great at low levels. I listen daily to levels in the 60's with peaks into the low 70's. I learned that the ear adjusts to the level listened to daily.
So many musicians have acquired tinnitus, hyperacusis and have gone deaf from the constant exposure to high volume / levels of music.....Have fun and be safe.
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Ironically - the first time I invited my wife to my home, I got a request to help my neighbor "rescue" his son from a car accident and my wife (then new girlfriend) stayed in my home when I left. When I returned about 35 minutes later (his son was fine - minor fender bender), she was listening to my stereo (at that time, a Threshold FET 10E pre, Theta Data transport & Gen Va dac, Pass Aleph 0's amp, Aerial 10T speakers - all electronics having to be turned on manually). I asked if she turned on the music and she casually said yes . . . . I'm fortunate that my family grew up with and enjoys music, so when I decide to listen - music is played back at live levels. My family sometimes listens with me - spontaneously (though I'd like them to listen more on their own). So - playback volume isn't affected by who is home (I mostly listen at night). Since our room and speaker aren't grand, smaller well recorded acoustic venues are reproduced best. Our calibrated Quest Technologies digital sound level meter (we have a certified calibration tone generator) peeked at 104 db when I last checked my notes and while these peaks are loud (our room is acoustically treated pretty well) music typically ranges from 75 db to 95 db. Important to note, with a good system, nothing is fatiguing - otherwise it wouldn't be an enjoyable experience and it actually would be quickly annoying. I enjoy piano (very difficult to record and play back well but when captured naturally - is amazing / beautiful), contemporary jazz, natural vocals - almost anything well recorded. Even orchestra performances - they're just not as convincing. |
I don't know how to measure the loudness in db numbers, but my volume is dependant on numerous situations. If my wife goes out for walks and friends, then I have a free period to play music as I want it which could be described as loud. Also depends what music I am playing (I listen from Classical to Rock, all other types of music from around the world), if its emotional and I have had some alcoholic intake then the volume goes to high as 95 (My volume goes up to 100). If my wife is in the house then the volume usually cruises at 50 -60 but if its music she loves, she uses put the volume up to region of 75 - 85. |
@techno_dude That’s Hilarious\. Are you going to let her know that you posted this ? I’ll bet NOT ! |
Can’t sleep, just mesured wife snoaring. 34 db , sure feels like 108 db 😄 |
Awesome feedback guys. Anyone else ? Please listen to your system before you put your numbers here.
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Most of my listening is to classical music. Average levels tend to be in the mid-70s. Brief dynamic peaks on many orchestral recordings tend to be in the low to mid 90s. Brief dynamic peaks on a few recordings having exceptionally wide dynamic range (e.g., Stravinsky's "Firebird Suite" on Telarc; Prokofiev's "Romeo and Juliet" on Sheffield Lab) reach close to 105 db.
Measured with a Radio Shack digital SPL meter set for C-weighting and fast response, at my 12 foot listening distance.
Regards, -- Al
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@whitecamaross
40s to 50s with Toy Matinee playing just now. Usually 50-60db and a good bit louder when no one is home. I just checked and have had a 68db peak while playing Impossible Germany by Wilco at maybe moderate levels.
I just coughed and that was a 79db peak. |
Generally, 78 - 83 dB with C weighting Slow response on Radio Shack Meter. When things are cranked up, peaks maybe 88 - 91 dB. Listening position is at the apex of a triangle, ~10-12' on a diagonal to either speaker. |
75db to 80db, for Jazz and Classical.
Average 80db with peeks up to 85db for Rock, Pop, Bluegrass...
I play my music a little louder with my Vinyl front end, as opposed to my Dac. |
Anyone else ? Let's go. Everyone post your db levels. Listen to your music today and measure. |
81 - 88dB but will crank it to 90-95 at times. I'm 107.59" away laser measured (it's how I measure distance from each corner of speaker to center of listening chair for accuracy). Using an original Radio Shack sound level meter. |
Ok guys I want you all to crank your systems today and listen. I want you all to tell me what are your db levels. Let’s try to see WHERE we all listen at. |
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Ok you all have had AMAZING feedback on this video. I am uploading a video about my findings. I suggest you all read the comments that have been left on YouTube about this video. |
Over my laptop speakers, #1 is more linear. #2 the vocals seem exaggerated. I'd choose #1 easily. My mileage may vary if I could have listened on my rig. |
Sorry if this has been answered before, but what is the recording chain for the videos ? |
Fun test, but the speakers are loading the room differently due to their location differences so not an equal opportunity test, lol but it seems like 2 has deeper bass...but something about 1 seems subjectively more pleasing. 🤷♂️
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Got it. Ok WC, how about a platinum, gold, silver and bronze ranking of those 4 class D contenders??? (Last time I'll ask if you aren't into ranking them) |
WC also tried briefly the Rowland M535 stereo, which runs in classD. M535 is best as a bridged pair. Saluti, G.
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I cannot say which is which. Both sound incredible with highs to die for. Luxman M-900u has godlike highs for sure. Clarity is astonishing, thanks to the « minimalist / no additional contacts » dac to amp direct connection. |
#1 is more forward sounding , Bigger bass, Very Dynamic, & more Raw or REAL sounding. #2 is nice but Bass is less prominent Speaker is more polite and refined giving a smoother sounding . #2 is also less dynamic . I say #! is Wilson Sasha DAW #2 is Dynaudio Confidence C4
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@bill_k Oh...got it thx. Not familiar with Luxman gear. |
@ron17 - I don't think either is using the preamp since its display is flashing through the entire video which indicates it's set in mute. |
Speaker #1 more "vivid", sound less homogenized, more sense of the recording space (even if this was created artificially). |
Speaker #1 sounds more detailed and accurate. #2 is smoother and probably less fatiguing. I'm guessing #1 is the Wilson and #2 Dynaudio.
Could it be the 1st speaker clip is really DAC direct to amp and #2 is through the preamp same speakers? lol
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This thread is like Star Trek voyage, never ending and discoveries of new things - Fantastic...! |
Oh, forgot that one. Got a gold, silver and bronze ranking on your preferred SQ for those three (with caveats that you had them at different times with different equipment, but you are experienced and can probably extrapolate), and in particular which perhaps come closest to your preferred non-class-D amps? (if it’s not asking too much, some of us are class D fans and cool to see how you stack them up since many of us haven’t owned any of those three, let alone all three). I don't think this specific class D comparison question has ever been asked of you. Thanks! |
Merrill audio element 118s |
This is a side question, but which class D amps has WC reviewed over the course of this thread (outside of his initial, very first posting where he listed like 30 amps, some of which were class D, but I think most/all of which were surpassed in his opinion by the later stuff (ie, stuff since first post))?
I remember Rowland 925's and Bel Canto Black, and he seemed to really like both at the time. But I'm struggling to remember any others. Anyone remember, or were those two the only class D? |
pokey77, Thanks for your TAD M2500 mention. This should be of interest to many people here, including WC, as a SOTA contender.
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Speaker 1 has more bite and IMO more musical. Bass on speaker #2 a bit lacking. |
And we have officially reached 200 pages ! |
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My guess is that "Speaker 1" was Dyn and "Speaker 2" was DAW. I thought clarity on 2 was maybe a bit better; I thought 1 sounded bigger but maybe a little sloppier? Can't really truly judge them though given my limited and poor playback options. Still fun though. |
Just listen... Give your thoughts and I'll give mine soon :). |
Which speaker is #1 and which is #2? Or is that intended to be part of the suspense? The Dynaudios were never shown, and DAWs remained in same spot for both clips, meaning dyns (assuming they were playing in one of two) had positioning very different than daws. Not saying that’s wrong just an observation. My tongue in cheek conspiracy theory is both were daw with different power conditioners (Denali and AQ). 😂
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My wife chose #1 FYI
Wow, lots of mixed feedback. |
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I'm surprised you haven't tried Accuphase, from the love you been showing Luxman.A few threads a few years back had the two being compared & a lot of people seemed to prefer the Accuphase over the Luxman in direct comparisons. The Accuphase M-6200 or the P-7300 seem like they would be right up your alley. |
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Schools are shut down in Illinois too. Happening across the country. I’m in need of an amp and it’s terrible timing. Nothing is open. Thanks Emotiva for a broken promise. Flagship XPR amp that you won’t fix.... you claim parts are no longer available but these come from China. They copy everything. You can find a replacement supplier if you try.... ........ |
Bad news people.. Florida just shut down schools for the rest of the school year. This is not good for anyone. Hang on to your hard earned money. Not the right time to buy. |
As soon as I have a chance to do it. Hopefully next week sometime. |