Mitigating the Bubble

Gotta love it when they get so irritated they resort to vague legal threats!

What's next, push us off the swings at recess?😛

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Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone.  Off came the straight jacket and helmet. 
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I am not sure the head is in the vice, but the $ owed, are held with a monkey grip.

Jerry123

i never had any agreement with Miller, he simply wanted to take over. 
you’ve been warned

$3.2K refund due

I was away from the computer for a few hours and I missed a scrum.

 

@nano-flo take a deep breath. Think back to all the times in your life when you dug in on a tenuous position. We’ve all done it, we’ve all learned from it. You may not like refunding the money, but that was the deal you made…satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.

 

All the Audiogon community has done here is rally around a trusted fellow member @glory with years of positive feedback. Even though I am not a candidate for your products as Ive consistently maintained, I dont wish you ill will. Frankly speaking, if you talk to any lawyer they will look at the facts here and politely decline to get involved UNLESS you pay as you go. I wish I didn’t know what I’m talking about but even if you have a case, you are $50,000 to get to discovery. Between $100-$150,000 to get through discovery and don’t think the average opposing counsel won’t ask for EVERYTHING in discovery. That means you will have to provide all business records of Enterprise Coatings since that is where the cables are being hosted and sold, besides Ebay. Venue is also an interesting challenge. When your deposition is being shown to a jury of average Americans, they may struggle to understand how you gained cable expertise from scratch in addition to proving true all of your claims.

 

The bad news? Its difficult to prove intent, even if there were inaaccurate statements made and the worst news of all? Its next to impossible to win a fee shift to the other party.

 

@glory  may or may not have a claim through Ebay as well as other avenues. Thats for him to determine. Once again, this whole mess seems to be the result of you wanting to punish a buyer who simply wanted a refund as your original Ebay ad offered seemingly without restrictions. Last but not least, when listing on Ebay you basically sign all of your rights away, ceding that to the sole discretion of Ebay.

 

Best wishes while you ponder the best course of action. You know what the right thing to do is…

Great, Co and TX

This has been nagging me for a while: the claim of "room temperature superconductors." Such a thing was created back in 2020 (google it), but can only exist at massively high pressures - like, bottom of the ocean pressures. At the very least, such a claim is misleading. At worst, it implies either snake-oil chicanery or scientific ignorance passed on to duped customers. 

+15C, pretty cold "room" at 267GPa was the claim. Earth's core pressure. Way higher than bottom of the ocean. Nature pulled the article because the validity of the claim was in question.

 

https://www.quantamagazine.org/room-temperature-superconductivity-claim-falls-apart-update-20201014/

 

+15C, pretty cold "room" at 267GPa was the claim. Earth’s core pressure. Way higher than bottom of the ocean. Nature pulled the article because the validity of the claim was in question.

I guess some of us can test the cables in afterlife.
(in the depths of hell.)

Luckily, I am no hurry to prove or disprove it.😎

@thespeakerdude true dat. I read a few of the articles and immediately donned my tinfoil hat and wondered if they had been silenced by the corporate man.

@simao the super conductive hat is much better than tin foil.

...way ahead of you...

All the best,
Nonoise

@nano-flo hoping today is the day where you and @glory find an appropriate way through this completely avoidable situation. Its not difficult to do the right thing and honor the spirit of your transaction.

@ghasley ,

+1! 

Chris, just do the right thing, man. Get some positive mojo flowing  to you instead of all this negativity your inviting into your life. The Universe is an amazing mechanism of positive and negative energy flow and you're a magnet for either one. Your choice.

 

@ghasley ​​​​@thecarpathian I agree.

It is all up to you @nano-flo this can all end with a simple refund. 
Hollow threats and poorly written posts are not working. 
Today is your day and it can go either way.

 

 

Returned cables just came with a signed signature required.

 

I signed the refusal.

Oh my. 

@glory A question...you did purchase through Ebay correct?

 

If so, be sure that you communicate to Nanoflo only through the Ebay messaging system. Send a message every day that you are requesting a refund and return per the original listing. Ensure that you are following the Ebay rules to request a refund and return to the letter. Be sure to let Ebay customer service know that you are trying to return as the ad stated in the right way and do so multiple times prior to the 30 days running out. 

 

Nanoflo has a contractual obligation with Ebay. In addition to a contractual obligation with you. Ebay is "judge, jury and executioner" so to speak with their relationship with Nanoflo as well as the relationship between you and Ebay. What they say and do is final.

If a CC was used he should have recourse with the financial institution also.

In cases of this type the consumer is afforded more protections than the retailer or seller. Right or wrong,

This all seems so childish and would have been resolved quickly by a legitimate business. A real businessperson would not want all this bad press over what is a pittance compared to the lost sales and tarnished reputation of this alleged company.

Sorry but it seems so shade tree, the business that is Nano Flo or whatever their name is.

One can not talk to EBay on the phone nor PP.. I returned the cables by FedEx as it was shipped to me by FedEx only to learn EBay uses USPS. Ebay  gave me a label after I posted the cables back to the Flo. I do have an order number and a return ID number.

 

I opened a dispute with PP and my CC company said PP takes 10+ days to get back to me. Flo got the cables back over 10 days ago with a written text that he received them.

 

PP gets the $$$ back from EBay and if PP drops the ball my CC will take over from there. Having no experience with PP protocol I should have shipped using their label. I am sure PP will get the $$$ back.

 

signing and receiving Flo’s goopless cables today would have voided my refund I believe and I was not tempted to sign for them. Why he would ship them back to me I don’t know.

 

if anyone can supply me with a EBay tele number that I can talk to an agent would be helpful.

Glory, there are a number of YouTube videos explaining how you can talk to a live person from eBay.  Check them out.

Another day and no refund @nano-flo you have zero credibility now. 

Sad and pathetic. 

TheCar,

 

I did ever number possible. No way you can talk to flesh and blood.

 

Another day and no refund @nano-flo you have zero credibility now.

Sad and pathetic.

@jerryg123 to be fair, once many people hear things like room temp superconductors, the average person is filled with awe, and usually soon after…l they are filled with a foreboding feeling of a BS festival.

The person spruiking the stuff, either:

1. Believes genuinely this… and the conclusion is then to question their mental faculties.
2. Or they do not believe it, and they are a well aware of what they are doing.

In either case, the conclusion one should reach, after the initial awe wears off, is it politely remove themselves from the company of that person.

To say that they have “zero credibility now” assumes that they one did have some.

So it is sort of an insult to everyone’s basic intelligence, or at least a nod to peoples gullibility and desire to not miss out.

 

 

I do believe this stuff probably works, but like a magic trick, it’s not working how one believes it is.
(I suspect that it is more likely the scraping action of the shards in the Vaseline are removing corrosion and effectively working like a cutting compound making an old paint job shiny.)

I am not the smartest fellow, but I will not pretend that there is all of a sudden, some loss of credibility. The snake oil has been there since the opening post proclaiming things like…

 

 

Today after many years of trials and tribulations …

Sounds like martyrdom.
Or at least some religious quest, like a grail or quixotic endeavour. 

Certainly not trail and tribulations like fleeing war.

 

I have many man made fixes that helped the situation but never a total cure. Some of these are now permanent fixtures on the ceiling in 2 different locations.

I made my own acoustic panels filled with long hair sheep’s wool and 3 Argent Room Lenses.

I have laminar flow lenses that focus and stabilize the image across the front stage.

I have built and treated an acoustic fan that overcomes the boundaries with in my room by reducing interference.

I have loaded my speaker cabinets 3 times with new drivers and now an outboard crossover.

This was after my Essence 30s speakers and my Dunlavy SC4s. ..All my components are hard mounted and direct coupled to the floor...on rock solid racks and speaker stands, custom mono bloc amps each on their own stand. All of these devices and angles and positions made the image wider and more focused but I still had that little bubble and shift before me. Always less annoying with each new device and tweak.

These trail and tribulations are pretty first world.

 

So, your probably saying to yourself hurry up and get to the end.

^Correct^

 

The end finally arrived today after having applied a contact enhancer 7 days ago to just 6 RCA ends out of many connections in my system. Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.

How can we not be impressed?
And his friend said it, and not him…

 

What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone. Off came the straight jacket and helmet.

The straight jacket… and tin foil helmet?

 

What I have now in this space intime is a glorious fully extended soundstage with all the meat on the bones and the features of talking heads on a real live performance stage.

Wow… where can I get some?

 

I have probably used eight different contact enhancers over five decades but this one blows my mind. This product Nano Flo is the ultimate in transparency.

Tom

@glory : please don’t take this wrong, but you appear to be unable to claim your money back from obvious channels (eBay, PayPal, Credit Card). Shall we say a bit “slow”? And the Nano Flo shark has figured this out already. Good luck to you.

 

Oh…. And why someone would really pay $1,500 (or even $100) for this crap is truly beyond my comprehension 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Oh…. And why someone would really pay $1,500 (or even $100) for this crap is truly beyond my comprehension 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Well, to be fair… it is made to sound like goodness, and it was also presented as a no risk deal.

Just in hindsight all the clues were there.

@holmz : as a master snake oiler, you should know this very very, very well. People present all kind of stuff. This was not even slightly difficult to figure out. 

@holmz kind of wordy for saying he never had any credibility.

I was trying to be kind, playing good cop.

I am very aware that @nano-flo is a carpetbagger, snake oil salesman with zero cred. 

I did enjoy your post and Merry Christmas. 

And a merry XMAS to you as well @jerryg123 

 

holmz : as a master snake oiler, you should know this very very, very well. People present all kind of stuff. This was not even slightly difficult to figure out

A part time cable denier, cannot be a very good snake oiler…

Or were you were trying to intimate some double entendre?

I think you have to figure out what “snake Oiler” means 😉.

 

‘’Oh… and you are Full Time such. Your hobby 

@glory ,

Gary, log into eBay, upper left click on help and contact. Next screen will give you options as to your problem. Hit any one. Next screen scroll all the way down to the bottom to 'contact us'. Hit that and next screen will give you automated help. Keep hitting more options and 'contact agent' will pop up. Give them your phone # and they will call you. You may even get that option in the previous screen with 'contact us'. If not, just follow this...

Or, this number (if it's legit) for a real person:

One eight six six five four zero three two two nine.

Thecarpathian,

 

thanks 

I think you have to figure out what “snake Oiler” means 😉.

 

‘’Oh… and you are Full Time such. Your hobby 

I suppose you are trying to compete with the Gary fellow for the title of “tool de jur”?
And that you are trying to be offensive to the people who like oiling snakes?

Maybe you need to make friends, or just play alone?
And then you can leave the adults alone here, whom are trying to engage in conversation…and resist with your attempts to display your intolerance and general rancorous character.

@nano-flo

Good morning. It’s another new day and with it comes the unique opportunity to be better than we were yesterday. We each make a choice every morning and there are only three choices: to be better, to be the same or to be less than what we can be. It can be fun Chris, to stretch and change. I hope today is that day for you and that you finally choose to honor the money back guarantee that your original Ebay ad listed, under which @glory weighed his options and purchased from you.

 

While I doubt today will be much different than yesterday, the Audiogon community sticks together and helps one another push the hobby forward. You either have the option to join in the fun or remain on the outside looking in…its more fun to be in the former group rather than the latter group. Think about what you are doing and ask yourself if its how you’d like to be treated.

 

Make today the day Chris…the day where you admit that you made an error in judgement and today you rectified it.

Is this the day@nano-flo ???

Get above the fray and do the right thing today, refund Gary before you lose even more sales and your status on EBay. Do it today.

@nano-flo 

 

Yes indeed today is a new day! Choose today to do the right thing for your customer and fellow human.  Hoping you step up and make this right 

As the sun sets on another day @nano-flo will not change his ways. Ethics and integrity will never be part of his corporate charter, making success all the more harder. 
 

My children are home for the Christmas Holiday and I am not going to waste another day on this grifter Chris.

Sad desperate little man that he is.

 

 

 

@holmz : nasty little person. That’s all I have for you. I don’t even know why I am engaging you. As my grandpa used to say: Never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Perhaps I should have listened 

holmz : nasty little person. That’s all I have for you. I don’t even know why I am engaging you. As my grandpa used to say: Never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Perhaps I should have listened

@thyname OK …

If there is a possibility of a New Years resolution of civility, then I’ll look forwards to next year.

Happy holidays to you, and yours.

@nano-flow keeps digging his hole. Every statement makes this situation worse, and sales to disappear.

The argument is not about the product. Money back guarantee is just that. Honour your statement. Man up, pay Glory his money.

@nano-flo

 

First of all this morning, I want to thank Tammy/Audiogon for allowing these posts to remain up. Its important for our hobby and fellow hobbyists to understand there is a “vendor” out there not honoring their money back guarantee. To date Nanoflo has not refunded @glory ’s money for his purchase and subsequent return of Nanoflo’s power cables.

 

Everyone, please do your due diligence before making purchases, not all “vendors” honor their word. Of course, Glory thought that buying a hyped product via Ebay offered him some protection, which I believe will be the case in the end but Nanoflo’s reluctance to honor his money back offer is troubling.

Hear hear!

It's becoming clear that Nanoflo has no intention of voluntarily honoring his own money back guarantee. It's through this forum and threads like these that allow others to get the story on integrity nonexistent vendors and their owners.

Bribery, deception, refusal to answer the simplest questions...

A terrible way to do business and a terrible way to live your life.

 

 

Incidentally, not a single customer or user chiming in to defend Nanoflo's business practices. Imagine that! Wonder why that is...

 

 

@thecarpathian indeed…the old adage applies, the silence is deafening.

So is the now silence from the  company owner himself.

Every moment is an opportunity to do the right thing for both he and his business. 

Apparently he cares nothing about doing that. What a sad way to live, being like that.

@glory ,

Any head way in getting your refund?

PP has contacted me wanting some payment confirmations.

Will deliver to them today.

 

Thank you Tammy for allowing these gentleman to write in a very graceful way their wisdom and guidance. 
 

All telephone numbers for EBay Leeds to a non human.