The one URL you did provide takes me to a site written in a Germanic language, and none of those URLs go anywhere interesting. Can you provide reference to actual photos of the turntables to which you refer?The "technology" of a belt drive is quite simple. One would imagine that modern motor speed controllers might be superior to the original M-S parts. My second hand knowledge of M-S always suggested that their speed controller and maybe their motors were a weak link that is often upgraded. So, any of these new products might outperform a stock M-S RX5000, for that reason alone. You probably know more about that than I.
Micro RX 5000 Renaissance?
It may be just a coincidence, but looking through the various reports of the recent Munich high end event I've noticed no fewer than four (!) different turntables that all look suspiciously like the Micro RX-5000.
TW Acoustic and Kuzma launched new models visually 'inspired' by the RX-5000 design, Acoustical Systems showed a table that looks like an exact copy and DB Systems (www.micro.nl) also showed an exact copy, leaving no doubt of its objective by simply calling it 'The Tribute'. And then of course there already was the TechDas AirForce 5.
Does anyone know more about these newbies and what's under their bonnets? It would be interesting to compare their performance vis à vis the original and hear how much technology has moved forward. Or not.
While I'm a happy owner of the RX-1500G, the RX-5000 has been on my radar for quite some time. So with this Micro Renaissance going on, should I wait for a mint original to cross my path or should I go for one of these new tables? It seems Micro enthousiasts are now spoiled for choice........
TW Acoustic and Kuzma launched new models visually 'inspired' by the RX-5000 design, Acoustical Systems showed a table that looks like an exact copy and DB Systems (www.micro.nl) also showed an exact copy, leaving no doubt of its objective by simply calling it 'The Tribute'. And then of course there already was the TechDas AirForce 5.
Does anyone know more about these newbies and what's under their bonnets? It would be interesting to compare their performance vis à vis the original and hear how much technology has moved forward. Or not.
While I'm a happy owner of the RX-1500G, the RX-5000 has been on my radar for quite some time. So with this Micro Renaissance going on, should I wait for a mint original to cross my path or should I go for one of these new tables? It seems Micro enthousiasts are now spoiled for choice........
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Sorry, I was being sloppy. The correct URL is www.Micro-Seiki.nl which shows the RX-5000 exact copy called ’The Tribute’. This can be joined by a German made motor drive by Dereneville (www.AVdesignhaus.de). The table displayed by Acoustical Systems is indeed a modified version of a Chinese RX-5000 clone. I don’t suppose they would waste their time on polishing a turd (or a ’garbage copy’) now would they? The TW Acustic is called the Raven RS (not yet on their website) which incorporates a flywheel (another Micro first I think). Suggested retailprice is around $20k. The new Kuzma is called the Stabi R, which is already listed on their website for €9000. I have yet to figure out how to upload links to pictures and such, so sorry for not including these. My observation is simply that the Micro RX-5000 apparently has become an inspiration for various reputable brands. I think it would be interesting to compare these new designs with the original. So I would like to know if anyone already has something they wish to share about this. |
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Errr... Are the "Chinese" the only ethnic group that ever made a copy of anything? Sixty years or more ago, the Japanese were derided for doing the same. Since then, we've come to appreciate their homegrown skills and the quality of their products. I think it's fair to criticize those who outright steal intellectual property for their own profit, and in some areas of technology, the Chinese are guilty of this, particularly with respect to foreign businesses that choose to operate or sell in China. That's a risk they take. But, come now, M-S turntables have been out of production for decades. Copying something that long gone is hardly similar to stealing brand new ideas that have just come to market. By the same token, maybe we should get mad at all the US companies that make reproduction AC Cobras, as well. Not. Anyway, with the new tariffs, these M-S copies might be priced out of the US market. I suppose you'll like that. |
I'm a little confused by the fuss over the Chinese business practices, since the M-S copies seem to come from Germany or Austria. Anyway, the new copy of the RX5000 seems to retain one feature of the original that has been criticized: apparently the tonearm has to be mounted on a platform that attaches to the main plinth via one of those nubbins at the corners. Some say this is not the most stable way to mount the tonearm. |
Tariffs are not good enough. Every single clone or fake part should be banned, confiscated, and destroyed by customs. I don’t care how old the original is. I already have enough problems in dealing with these idiots and fake semiconductors, which have trickled into stockpiles of even reputable U.S. distributors. They have no moral compass and even clone $0.03 transistors. If anyone wants an RX 5000, just go on eBay and buy the RX 5000. |
The so called ''intellectual property'' seems to be accepted at present but the ''liberals'' were against because of privatisation of ''science'' which is considered to be ''common good''. The ''investment argument'' won so those rights are limited qua duration and under condition of fees payment for the duration time . Aka the time to earn the investment back. There is no ''universal legislation'' so nearly each country has its own regulation, This means that claiming a patent in China imply Chinese patent law. |
As by cartridges one can say ''the construction is simple but the execution is not''. I assume that balancing the platter is difficult as well the (needed) precision of bearings and axle. The added ''problem'' is the choice of bearings: inverted or not? I could ask Dertonarm but am reluctant to bother him at present. |
@invictus005 "Every single clone or fake part should be banned, confiscated, and destroyed by customs. I don’t care how old the original is."So true. So true. So I take it you are all for paying China royalties for all foreign produced tea and alcoholic beverages, all products using gunpowder, paper and all printing...... And best not mention how the Poms stole tea plants from China to start tea growing in India. "They have no moral compass and even clone $0.03 transistors."And good to see you condemn the whole nation for the transgressions of some. So tell me what you think of the moral compass of the whole of the US given the agonizing deaths as a rsult of this one business profits decision? https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/business/2-paths-of-bayer-drug-in-80-s-riskier-one-steered-overse... |
Now why did all the Capitalists move their business offshore to China, along with IP so they could build it? Where did China get it's taste for Capitalism from? Ok, call it Communo-Capitalism, but it's producing more billionaires per year than any other country. They are hard working, opportunistic and clever. I am not jealous, and have worked with them sorting out their traffic in the big cities. I have seen their industries. Wow. May be the western world has gotten a bit lazy in comparison. I am not commenting on their Government or the way the upper-echelons of their business exploit their workers. Who is brave enough to change it? They are the new economy... |
@amg56, I agree. The capitalist need for cheap labor ushered in globalism - as a slightly more civilised form of colonialist exploitation - and the communist regime in China opened their doors in a desperate attempt of revigorate their own declining pre-industrial economy. Necessity is the mother of invention and copying is simply a part of that process. And so they became the world's sweat shop. Fast forward a few decades and they have evolved into innovators in several key sectors like energy, mobility and digitisation to power, move and manage their economic transition. The second industrial revolution made - uh - 'America great', but the third industrial revolution will happen in the East, as well as the power shift that goes with it. Now they've learned all the tricks from the former Masters of the Universe like a real sorcerer's apprentice, we're now talking about moralism over here in the 'decadent West'? That would be the mother of all cynicisms. Or would that be Mr. Trump starting a trade war to 'bring back the jobs' and 'make America great again'? I wonder what all this has to do with my initial observation that reputable Western brands are building turntables that look like the RX-5000? Does it show that the former copyists are now being copied by us? Perhaps a reverse trend as just another sign of our own decline? |
I appreciate your assertation following in the vein of my observation. I didn't mean to take the focus off the RX-5000. I own an original DDX-1500 (and BL-91L and a couple more). I do not my originals cheapened by copies, which damn it, work better. However, this is the direction the economy and products are headed. We can hardly stop the destruction once the bull is in the china shop. |
@amg56, don't worry, my last remarks were very much tongue in cheek. I sort of enjoy the way discussions on this forum tend to take unexpected turns. From RX-5000 clones to paradigm shifts in global economic power is just a small step in 'lateral thinking', so I feel right at home here...... ;-). @lewm, you mention two 'weak links' in Micro turntables, the motor speed controller and the construction of the armboards. The first one contradicts my own experience. I've had several German made modern tables (from Clearaudio and TW Acustic) that exhibited problems in speed control. That was the main reason for going back to vintage Micro. Both my RX-1500G and BL-91 are flawless in that regard. The gunmetal AX type armboards are very heavy and solid, so I wouldn't know why they could be considered 'not the most stable'. Especially compared to the acrylic or aluminium ones used by these 'modern' German tables........ |
Dear @edgewear / friends: The " notice/news " in your thread is not really a good notice because the RX-5000 is not the " touted " TT as we could think. I’m an owner and know it very well. The MS RX seies followed the TT trend in Japan in those old years: massive metal heavy weigth BD units as if metal heavy weigth TT characteristic was the rigth solution for a TT targets when in reality it’s not and does more harm than true help to the cartridge signal. MS motors came from Technics/Panasonic and that heavy TT platter in reality damps nothing at all and rings as a bell. The 5000 has not a well damped structure/foots anywhere in the design because they thougth that heavy means " damping " and try to " disappear " problems mainly through " high weigth ". Its arm boards are really easy to use, solid an tonearms friendly to set up but they choosed the worst position for the arms board: exactly vinculated to each TT foot with out no damping, everything pass through those foots and arm boards and when I said everything I mean vibrations, resonances and the like and those " everything " degraded the cartridge signal. Terrible as a TT. The " incredible " notice is that now other manufacturers are taking the MS as a guide to build/design its TTs, ! ! But not only the ones you name it but several other manufacturers that are just followers of that totally wrong vintage japanese trend: massive metal heavy weigth designs that they used thinking that a heavy weigth platter high rotational intertia permit better speed stability but it’s not so simple as that and in the other side any rotational/movement heavy weigth platter can’t damp its own internal resonances generated for its heavy weigth in movement. Asian people in those times likes it that metal heavy weigth shiny look that for them was a sinonimous of high quality performance when it’s not but the other way around. The " stupid " thing about is that today we have that same trend, I can say : an up-dated trend and not because are better thatn the vintage TTs but because are/comes even with more mass and way higher metal weigth. It’s clear that the vintage audiophiles in that TT chareacteristic regards just do not changes and follow buying those trash of metal heavy weigth BD TTs. ! ! ! As always IGNORANCE is the culprit here and ignorance from the manufacturers that shares with the " audiophiles " that just can’t think a little on what they are paying for: they are buying kilos of metal at a price that’s higher than real gold ! ! and are all happy with ! ! The @jtinn Wave Kinetics NVS TT outperforms easily any of those heavy weigth massive BD TTs and for a lot lees money ! ! ! About who is copy whom is more a " joke " because a TT or tonearm or whatever audio item you can think is not rocket science, it’s really easy to build a TT like the MS or a tube ( perhaps SS units and allitle on speakers not so easy. ) item and we don’t have to be engineers to do it almost any one can do it. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Raul, without commenting on most of what you wrote, I would only say that I think you’re wrong about the price of the NVS turn table. I think most of these micro seiki copies are less expensive than the NVS, which I think is about $40,000. Of course, correct me if I am wrong. Good point about the mounting of the tonearm in direct connection to the foot of the turntable which is certainly not the best idea. |
The DDX (which is direct-drive) is a totally different animal from the massive M-S belt-drive turntables, one of which carries the "1500" numeric designation (RX1500, or some other alphabetical prefix depending upon price point). In fact, isn't the M-S DD turntable called "DDX1000", not DDX1500? Also, the later quartz referenced version was called DDQ or DQX, IIRC. Anyway, if there really is a DDX1500, I'd like to see a photo. Thanks. |
@lewm Mine is a MS DDX-1500 direct drive. Check https://www.vinylengine.com/library/micro-seiki/ddx-1500.shtml for detail. I have MS MA-505 and MS MAX-237 arms attached. It plays beautifully, again subtly different to my MS-91L and Kuzma. I do have a couple of more TTs but there are my go to's. |
Tech Das is Micro Seiki. Micro Seiki is Tech Das. www.hifiplus.com/articles/meet-your-maker-hideaki-niskikawa-of-techdas/?page=2 |
There is a Simone Yorke turntable among the modern belt drives, has anyone tried it? I like the stands he made. Here is an interview with Simone Yorke |
@amg56, I use three different arms. At the back left position a Reed 3P 12" on an AX-6G armbase, at the back right position an Audiocraft AC-4000MC, also on AX-6G and front right a Fidelity Research FR-64FX on AX-8G armbase. The Reed has a Van den Hul Colibri XPW Blackwood as my ’reference’ (besides that it’s definitely not fun mounting or dismounting a Colibri). With both other arms I use a variety of MC cartridges in constant rotation. Most of these are of the ’vintage’ kind. Comparing them and making new discoveries has become one of the more enjoyable aspects of my ’audio life’. On a side note: I also have a BL-91 and I’ve made comparisons with the RX-1500. They share the same bearing and by using the same gunmetal plateau (and both using the same arm/cart combo and both on the same wall mounted frame) you can easily hear the difference between the fairly light weight wooden plinth of the BL-91 and the ’heavy metal’ approach of the RX-1500 (and likewise the RX-5000). Contrary to what others have said here, I definitely prefer the ’heavy metal’ approach of the RX-1500, which is why I have an interest in the even heavier RX-5000. And the matter of ringing of the gunmetal plateau: this is true in ’naked form’, but when you add a CU-180 copper mat, the ringing vanishes completely. I’m sure this will also be the case with the heavier plateau of the RX-5000, although you might need the heavier CU-500 mat for this. But Micro apparently knew very well what they were doing...... |
@rauliruegas, What's the point of your endorsement of a $40k turntable for people interested in a RX-5000 or one of its clones? I'm sure it will be absolutely shocking news for some people to hear that in your opinion this NVS table is superior to modern BD tables costing over $200k. But what does this have to do with anything? For what it's worth, I seriously question the validity of this numbers game and even doubt that performance is the main objective here. High end audio is all about 'luxury trophies for the rich' these days, just like designer bags for the girls and wrist watches for the boys. The more expensive, the better the trophy.... |
when you add a CU-180 copper mat, the ringing vanishes completely. I’m sure this will also be the case with the heavier plateau of the RX-5000, although you might need the heavier CU-500 mat for this. But Micro apparently knew very well what they were doing...... Micro Seiki gunmetal mats are amazing, not only for Micro turntables, but definitely for Technics direct drive turntables. My both Luxman PD-444 made by Micro Seiki too, but the CU-500 is too heavy for them, so i use CU-180 and even lighter Saec SS-300 which is also superb. Unfortunately i do not have appropriate turntable to use my mint- gunmetal CU-500 mat (sold my SP-10mkII to a firend). If anyone looking for Micro CU-500 in top condition - let me know. P.S. Also using Reed 3P "12 and Fidelity-Research FR-64fx tonearms. |
I bought my BL-91L from a very knowledgeable and top nice guy in the States. I also bought the MA-505-LX arm matched to the table from him also. He had the MS gunmetal mat edge polished to a gleaming copper like colour. Cost about US$2,200. It was a weighty trans-shipment but well worth it. I love it. I have an Allaerts MC1 playing on it an it sounds great, despite the 12" arm. There currently is a thread discussing the cleaning/rejuvenating rubber belts. The belt does do some work in the first second or two to get the platter up to a steady accurate speed so deserves some TLC. @theophile I didn't know that for sure. I realise now had read it a while back but memory fades the older you get. @edgewear I have the heavy MS platter on the DDX-1500. Being DD, the TT comes up to accurate speed pretty quickly. For a TT that's not young it is pretty good. I also have a Nakamichi Dragon CT which is also "vintage" but performs beautifully (also bought from the US) We don't see many good vintage TT's on the market Down Under. When you do see one it's pretty well used and beaten. |
@chakster, the CU-500 is definitely on my radar, but unfortunately the asking price is usually off my radar :-(. I certainly would like to use it on the RX-1500 and move my CU-180 over to the BL-91. I assume it's not allowed to negotiate on the forum, but is there a way to engage in private communication? Perhaps a (part) trade might also be possible? @amg58, getting older too so I recognize this memory thing, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that one of the designers responsible for the last mega Micro tables (SX-5000 mk2 and SX-8000 mk2) is now responsible for the TechDas tables, which clearly build on the design principles of those big Micro's. Unfortunately I never heard either, so I have no idea how they compare and how much science has progressed. Or not. Basically this is the same as my original question, albeit on a much higher plane. Anyone made this comparison? BTW, I just ran across this quote: "just buy a used Micro Seiki and don't worry about turntables anymore; built like a tank and sounds better than TTs costing over 30K USD", supposedly made by Mr. Ikeda himself. I can't verify the authenticity or the date of this quote, but it makes perfect sense to me. Mr. Ikeda designed tonearms and cartridges decades ago that still put many of the current high priced 'luxury trophies' to shame. For some reason I value Mr. Ikeda's judgement higher than some of these self proclaimed experts on this forum....... |
AMG56, Thanks. I have learned something. The DDX1500 looks like a typical belt-drive M-S, from the view shown in the VE photo, but apparently with no need for the belt. I like it. I heretofore thought that the DDX1000 and later the DQX1000 were the top of the line for M-S DDs. Moreover, your DDX1500 appears to have a coreless motor AND quartz referenced motor control. Very cool. |
Tom, I respect your knowledge and your opinions, but you cannot have it both ways with respect to others' opinions. Do you believe that null points are LESS important than platter mass? And when it comes to platter mass, is more always better? Why? You've evidently read the debates about outboard arm pods. I was a staunch proponent of the theory that the tonearm must be subject to the same external energy as the bearing/platter, so the two always respond in unison, and I still prefer that approach. However, there are good arguments to the contrary, and I've come to believe that outboard pods done very well can also work very well, provided at least that the pod rests on the same surface as the turntable and is massive. So, what's the point of your sarcasm on that subject? Are these subjects simply undebatable gospel? Part of the fun of this hobby is making these sorts of choices for onesself. Halcro and I are on opposite sides of the pod discussion, but I consider him a friend, and his arguments have moved me a bit in his direction. If you look at changes he's made in his system, it appears he too was affected by these discussions. |
Guys, sorry for perhaps stirring this pot (or should that be ’pod’?) unintentionally. I’ve learned over the years that just about everything in audio has an effect on sonic quality, especially in analog. Arm pods, turntable mass, null points, the list is endless. Taking an agnostic position is probably wiser than a dogmatic one, in audio as much as life in general. Trial and error is what amateurs like myself have to go by. In that journey I’ve recently learned much from the members of this forum, which seem(ed) to include some real experts kind enough to share their knowledge. However, some dogmatic characters on this forum have a real talent for being obnoxious, by accusing everyone with a different opinion of being ignorant (in capital letters just in case we miss the point). I suppose veteran members of this forum have learned to ignore these ’contributions’, which is probably what I should have done as well..... |
Dear @edgewear: IGNORANCE is part of each one of us audiophiles, no one is totally free of some levels of ignorance in audio subjects. That way I’m ignorant in several audio subjects where perhaps your ignorance level is lower and mine is higher. Always is that way with any one in audio and that includes reviewers, manufacturers and retailers/distributors. Btw, I’m not dogmatic, things are that in some subjects your ignorance levels are higher than mines and you think ( there ) you are rigth when en reality are wrong. Sometimes that happens with me too ( the other way around ) depending on what subject we are talking about. How can we lower our ignorance levels in some audio subjects? plain and simple: learning about but for this we have to have a positive and open attitude and not that kind of negativity you showed here about and I have to tell you that I understand your attitude because you think you are rigth even if not and this is the problem: your problem that impedes to learn. """ you can easily hear the difference between the fairly light weight wooden plinth of the BL-91 and the ’heavy metal’ approach of the RX-1500 (and likewise the RX-5000). Contrary to what others have said here, I definitely prefer the ’heavy metal’ approach of the RX-1500, which is why I have an interest in the even heavier RX-5000. """ well you prefer the heavy weigth approach because you don’t understand yet the terrible disadvantages in a non damped all metal heavy weigth approach and this has a name: ignorance, that’s all and your statements about are wrong. Everything the same the main quality level performance differences in TTs is how well is damped the TTs: chasis, foots, platter, arm boards and the like and re member that it does not matters how much heavy be a metal TT platter during play motion it generates vibrations it self that your ears can’t detect but the LOMC cartridges can and shows it. Your example of the BL-91 against your 1500 is way fulty s comparison nd is not good foundtion for your sttement. Think about and ask your self why is faulty. The best of MS TTs are its looking but not its overall quality performance. In the other side the MAX 237/282 tonearms are really a reference product an a true challenge to any today tonearm designs. " What’s the point of your endorsement of a $40k turntable for people interested in a RX-5000 or one of its clones? """ Well the main point is that the original 5000 is ( by origen. ) a faulty design as the 1500 for all what I pointed out and that exist clones of it is not a good news for any audiophile but only to those that are ignorant of those facts. """ High end audio is all about ’luxury trophies for the rich’ these days, just like designer bags for the girls and wrist watches for the boys. The more expensive, the better the trophy. """ maybe for some whealthy gentlemans but for whealthy true audiophiles not because their audio ignorance levels is way lower and they know what and why to buy audio items, they don’t buy because is expensive but because true quality level performance. You can be sure that this kind of whealthy true audiophiles never spend a dime for a massive heavy weigth all metal TTs no matters if the price is 100k or 300K. They have very good knowledge levels. """ but when you add a CU-180 copper mat ..... """, do you really think that adding mass/weigth trhough that mat problem is solved, no only that the rpoblem suffer some changes and increment in other ways what the cartridge can " hear "/pick-up. """ Mr. Ikeda designed tonearms and cartridges decades ago that still put many of the current high priced ’luxury trophies’ to shame. """ maybe with his cartridge designs but ceratinly not with his undamped tonearms designs. Think for a moment: if TT damping characteristic is so critical an important for a tonearm is way more critical/important due that the cartridge is atached to it. @edgewear, look that I’m not talking of what we like it or not but only simple facts why somethings are wrong. What you or me like it has no importance in what I’m talking/sharing here. Ignore what our ignorance levels says only makes us more ignorants and with no hope of learning to grow up. As @lewm posted: """ Part of the fun of this hobby is making these sorts of choices for onesself. """ he, me or Halcro learned through of that. @tomwh , how did you learn all audio subjects?, by osmosis?. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
I would not use the term or call people "ignorant" or call them out over their "ignorance". It is a demeaning term which will raise the heckles of anyone. It challenges a persons knowledge, that they know nothing about the subject or opinion being discussed. Helping a person or the group involved to understand a point of view or pointing out or adding to the discussion, adding to the threads knowledge would be a better and more constructive way of making the thread less challenging. We are all here to learn and we accept constructive discussion, rather than being pontificated upon. I like to share my knowledge, but am grateful for others to share their experiences. But I wouldn't call contributors "ignorant", unless it was plainly obvious. I have a little more respect than that. |
’I don’t know what I don’t know and think that I know what I know, but how do I know which is which?’ This pretty much sums up my agnostic position in life as much as in audio. Is this blissful ignorance or am I just kidding myself? @amg56, the BL-91 is a very nice table, but are you using it with the original feet? I discovered that this table can be elevated to a different level by replacing them with something more substantial. I’m using four Finite Elemente Cerabase footers now. This may be stretching it, as these retail for almost as much as I paid for the table. But I had these lying about doing nothing, so it was an easy choice. I’m sure there are alternatives that are more cost effective and still give you the option of levelling the table and - here comes that dreaded word again - MASS loading the table. Speaking of which, this might also be an interesting option for your DDX-1500. I believe it has the same spring loaded feet as the RX-1500. I replaced these with the R-15 stainless steel feet for - oh dear, here it comes again - MASS loading the table. That proved to be a nice improvement! |
@edgewear The feet on my BL-91L are not the originals. They are MS feet but are about 3" dia. I was told but need to dig out the original emails The gunmetal platter is about 13kgs and the table about 23.5 kgs. I have levelled the table via the platter and have set the MA-505LS arm and original MS-505 head shell with MC1 cartridge via the specs. It sounds very good to my ears. I may look at uprating the feet in the future but all is well so far. The DDX-1500 is a different story. It does have the original feet and the lot weighs in around 45kgs. I will be looking at uprated feet on it before I put into regular service. I'll look into these once I get a few of the regular bills out of the way. Cheers. A. |
@nandric I read constantly., particularly research material. It's one thing to go into detail when reviewing mundane topics like shortcuts to cryptographic attacks due to the development of Quantum Computing, another thing to read verbose and often incorrect comments from @rauliruegas . He does tend to comment as it his opinions were facts. If he wants OUR opinion, he will give it to us. This is audio, after all. We doan need no steenkun philosophy. ;-) |
@amg56, finding original Micro R-15 feet will be very difficult, but as an alternative I can recommend www.micro-Seiki.nl. They can supply exact stainless steel replicas for a reasonable price and they have even designed accompanying (non original) spiked dishes to go underneath. A great package that works very well. I should add that my RX-1500 is placed on a wall mounted support, so footfalls and other floorborn resonances cannot interfere with mass loading the table. My BL-91 still has the original aluminum plateau (although it does have a Puresound Tenuto gunmetal mat on top), but the source mentioned above can also supply exact replicas of the RT-2000 plateau in either brass or stainless steel (not yet gunmetal, as this apparently is not currently available in large enough chunks suitable for CNC machining). So that is an upgrade path I still aim to take. |
At least the arguments keep the thread up front for a longer time, which leads to an opportunity for more arguments, which leads to lengthening the life of the thread and the number of posts, which is kind of entertaining. And sometimes informative. Raul is a contrarian. He stirs the pot. Otherwise, this thread would be nothing but an ode to Micro-Seiki. Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
