Micro RX 5000 Renaissance?


It may be just a coincidence, but looking through the various reports of the recent Munich high end event I've noticed no fewer than four (!) different turntables that all look suspiciously like the Micro RX-5000.

TW Acoustic and Kuzma launched new models visually 'inspired' by the RX-5000 design, Acoustical Systems showed a table that looks like an exact copy and DB Systems (www.micro.nl) also showed an exact copy, leaving no doubt of its objective by simply calling it 'The Tribute'. And then of course there already was the TechDas AirForce 5.

Does anyone know more about these newbies and what's under their bonnets? It would be interesting to compare their performance vis à vis the original and hear how much technology has moved forward. Or not.

While I'm a happy owner of the RX-1500G, the RX-5000 has been on my radar for quite some time. So with this Micro Renaissance going on, should I wait for a mint original to cross my path or should I go for one of these new tables? It seems Micro enthousiasts are now spoiled for choice........

edgewear

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I appreciate your assertation following in the vein of my observation. I didn't mean to take the focus off the RX-5000. I own an original DDX-1500 (and BL-91L and a couple more). I do not my originals cheapened by copies, which damn it, work better.

However, this is the direction the economy and products are headed. We can hardly stop the destruction once the bull is in the china shop.

Now why did all the Capitalists move their business offshore to China, along with IP so they could build it? Where did China get it's taste for Capitalism from? Ok, call it Communo-Capitalism, but it's producing more billionaires per year than any other country. They are hard working, opportunistic and clever. I am not jealous, and have worked with them sorting out their traffic in the big cities. I have seen their industries. Wow. May be the western world has gotten a bit lazy in comparison.

I am not commenting on their Government or the way the upper-echelons of their business exploit their workers. Who is brave enough to change it? They are the new economy...

@edgewear What arms have you got in place on your 1500G and in what positions? My 1500 is the DDX version and it has no issues with speed control, despite its age. It is damn hefty being built of gunmetal, even the outboards. Absolutely no chance of movement there.

@lewm Mine is a MS DDX-1500 direct drive. Check https://www.vinylengine.com/library/micro-seiki/ddx-1500.shtml

for detail. I have MS MA-505 and MS MAX-237 arms attached. It plays beautifully, again subtly different to my MS-91L and Kuzma. I do have a couple of more TTs but there are my go to's.

I bought my BL-91L from a very knowledgeable and top nice guy in the States. I also bought the MA-505-LX arm matched to the table from him also. He had the MS gunmetal mat edge polished to a gleaming copper like colour. Cost about US$2,200. It was a weighty trans-shipment but well worth it. I love it. I have an Allaerts MC1 playing on it an it sounds great, despite the 12" arm.

There currently is a thread discussing the cleaning/rejuvenating rubber belts. The belt does do some work in the first second or two to get the platter up to a steady accurate speed so deserves some TLC.

@theophile I didn't know that for sure. I realise now had read it a while back but memory fades the older you get.

@edgewear I have the heavy MS platter on the DDX-1500. Being DD, the TT comes up to accurate speed pretty quickly. For a TT that's not young it is pretty good.

I also have a Nakamichi Dragon CT which is also "vintage" but performs beautifully (also bought from the US)

We don't see many good vintage TT's on the market Down Under. When you do see one it's pretty well used and beaten.

I would not use the term or call people "ignorant" or call them out over their "ignorance". It is a demeaning term which will raise the heckles of anyone. It challenges a persons knowledge, that they know nothing about the subject or opinion being discussed.

Helping a person or the group involved to understand a point of view or pointing out or adding to the discussion, adding to the threads knowledge would be a better and more constructive way of making the thread less challenging.

We are all here to learn and we accept constructive discussion, rather than being pontificated upon.

I like to share my knowledge, but am grateful for others to share their experiences. But I wouldn't call contributors "ignorant", unless it was plainly obvious. I have a little more respect than that.

@edgewear The feet on my BL-91L are not the originals. They are MS feet but are about 3" dia. I was told but need to dig out the original emails

The gunmetal platter is about 13kgs and the table about 23.5 kgs. I have levelled the table via the platter and have set the MA-505LS arm and original MS-505 head shell with MC1 cartridge via the specs.

It sounds very good to my ears. I may look at uprating the feet in the future but all is well so far.

The DDX-1500 is a different story. It does have the original feet and the lot weighs in around 45kgs. I will be looking at uprated feet on it before I put into regular service. I'll look into these once I get a few of the regular bills out of the way.

Cheers. A.

@rauliruegas I didn't mean to insult you directly. I was trying to point out that saying someone is ignorant, as akin to saying they are uneducated, or lacking knowledge or awareness in general, unsophisticated.

I am not going into an English lesson here and I apologise if I offended you.

@edgewear My BL-91L has the top line MSB-100 feet on it.

The plinth was meticulously rebuilt and restored back to original condition and balance. It was then re-veneered with 3 mil South American Mahogany, re-stained and sealed with 4 coats of hand applied satin polyurethane.

The platter on the turntable has been upgraded to solid gunmetal with additional mass added to the underside. (This is a $2200.00 upgrade). The platter weighs 22 lbs (10 Kg's) and it has been re-ground and polished to a mirror finish by MIRROR FINISH POLISHING in Kearny, Missouri. The platter was then sealed and two coats of protectant added.

The original Micro Seiki DISK-SE platter mat is also included. Two new "proper" sized belts were obtained because of the additional weight of the gunmetal platter. The inexpensive BL-91 belts would not work as well. The belt used is just slightly longer and stiffer. Cheers. A.


@edgewear Both my MS TTs and the Kuzma have platter spindle and/or except my the leg suspensions sitting in a small niche of oil. This dampens the negative vibrations and overall, as I have nothing better to compare (Nakamichi which is also oil dampened). I've never done a 1 on 1 with more expensive TTs. I think they would hold their own.

@rauliruegas I realise English is not your 1st language and your post show this. However this is not a criticism. You phrasing and wordage is quaint, and what's more, you are VERY knowlegible in Audio. For this I respect you.

My keyboard acts like English is it's 5th language. For those who thought I might be mimicking someone, let me repeat it properly:

@edgewear Both my MS TTs and the Kuzma have platter spindle and/or the leg suspensions sitting in a small niche of oil. This dampens the negative vibrations and overall, as I have nothing better to compare (except for my Nakamichi which is also oil dampened).

I've never done a 1 on 1 with more expensive TTs. I think my TT may hold their own, but there are a whole lot of pieces that make a whole on audio. And those pieces all need to be compatible.


I rushed my next message to get out and drive my wife to work. Like anything in this hobby, don't rush things and take your time.

@rauliruegas I realise English is not your 1st language and your posts reflect this. However this is not a criticism. Your phrasing and wordage are quaint, and that makes for an interesting picture I have of you.

There are times you can see the way a person writes can describe the person more than the content itself. Raul, you strike me as a very passionate man who is VERY knowlegible in audio by way of experience in being able to collect and own (and sell) so much audio equipment. Additionally, I know you have such an extensive and desirable vinyl collection, such that you can use these to test and trial any equipment using the same known test material.

Raul, I do respect you, your knowledge and your contributions. As I said previously, I was not trying to disrespect you, and what I wrote was insensitive.

@opus111 I don't have an extensive knowledge of tonearm performances especially with many different cartridges. Technology has moved on and manufacturers now have extensive modelling tools to emulate operational performance even before one hits its vinyl test target.

I see the difference between an arm like the MAX-237 and modern day top flight arms, like the muscle cars of the 60s/70s and the cars today. A VW Golf GTI would put most older muscle cars to shame. But the older cars still are desirable because of their character. Some new arms are good, but too clinical if you understand what I mean.

Cheers. A.