Jazz for aficionados

For some reason, when checking in on this thread, I'm always (or most always anyway) reminded about the Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby story. :-)

Learsfool, Rok has contributed more to this thread than you, Frogman, and Schubert combined; and we could do without your twice a year negative comments.

Frogman, this thread was going just fine until you changed it from a musical thread to a political thread; that ran all the best jazz contributors away. While there were not that many of them in the first place, they made good regular contributions; but no way were they going to waste their time and knowledge in a political fight.

Learsfool, I grew up with professional jazz musicians from childhood, I hung-out with jazz musicians, one of my friends was a professional jazz musician who could improvise like you wouldn't believe; none of them ever talked music to me; what for? I'm not a musician. When my friend, the professional jazz musician lived with me; our conversations were about his life as a professional jazz musician, or "Where can you get a good bowl of chili"

My best friend's brother went to "Julee-ard", and when he practiced on the piano, the next door neighbor came over to watch, after he finished, the neighbor could repeat everything he practiced. Brother went on to get his degree from "Julee-ard", and became a music teacher, while the neighbor became a professional jazz musician who I saw perform frequently, he was hot. The last time my friend heard from his brother, he was somewhere in Spain (hard to locate). If you want to be financially successful, get a degree from "Julee-ard"; but if you want to be a jazz musician, just go out and do it; either you got it or you don't.

Miles Davis did not graduate from "Julee-ard", he attended for a hot minute until he found Charles "Yardbird" Parker. When Jazz meets classical, it's real light weight; while it can be good music; it's not deep in the groove from which it originated.

Classical people are down right funny when they speak of "jazz improvisation"; they say so many things that they didn't know they said.




Enjoy the music.

In the event that someone doesn't remember (or never read) the Brer Rabbit story, substitute therefore the warning about the results of wrestling with pigs. :-)

I have few of his albums, just listened them recently, so I decided to post. Not so famous player, I cant remember that anyone mentioned him lately. Great guitarist, imho. This album is from 1956. On vibes is Eddie Costa, another player who had no chance to show all his potential due. The album is called 'Frivolous Sal' from Sal Salvador

[url]https://youtu.be/nv62s6bwIsU[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/k5Vj7ZrQCrA[/url]

On my previous post I have put album of Herbie Mann and Bobby Jaspar. On that album the guitar is played buy Joe Puma. This next two albums also I like, its very nice music, from 1954.and 1957. On first, Puma is joined by Barry Galbraith. The album is titled 'East coast'. On second album, called simply 'Jazz' from later date, he plays with Bill Evans, Oscar Pettiford and Paul Motian.The sound here is not so great, but the cd editions sounds very good. Hope you will like it

[url]https://youtu.be/A7qzEaxzC6M[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/T4sivVnRBmI[/url]

Alex, I liked your posts; Sal Salvador was the man before some of the current guitarists, I liked him. Joe Puma's album had a definite West Coast sound, that's what I was into at that time. Oscar Pettiford is my favorite all time bassist. Mingus is my favorite composer; he has so many boss compositions, but when it comes to just plucking the fiddle, Oscar is my favorite.

The albums you posted remind me of when I was just getting into jazz; these cities, like Chicago, were so much different then; I liked to get dressed and stroll Cottage Grove in the evening near the 63rd street EL train, and eyeball beautiful young girls.

Here's Oscar Pettiford with "Bohemia After Dark"; Chicago was my "Bohemia After Dark"; that's when the city came alive, the night life rivaled New York.



                  [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EwGijmqKc[/url]


Enjoy the music.

Schubert, Wenn Gehirne Benzin waren, würden Sie nicht genug haben, zum des Rollers einer Urinameise anzustellen Bewegungs.

Bad syntax in German too.

O-10, I really wish you would stop with the unfounded criticisms and attacks. Disagreement backed by examples and data is not "negativity". Negativity on the part of Rok and, more recently, you is what may have driven some posters away. What on earth do you mean "I turned this thread political"? You are the one who consistently brings politics to these discussions. I don’t know how else to try and impress upon you what it is that causes problems with our interaction. From my vantage point you continue to want to make statements that are factually incorrect and then not have any disagreement. Then, when there is disagreement you accuse the person disagreeing of being "negative" and hide behind the "it’s subjective" idea. I am sorry to say that even your most recent post about music demonstrates the dichotomies and contradictions in some of what you post. I point these things out not to pick on you or to be negative, but in an effort to keep the thread relevant.

You have a wonderful way with imagery and descriptions in some of what you write, I appreciate that. But some of what you write is simply not based on verifiable information and is downright misleading to someone wanting to learn about the art form. Example, and this sort of thing happens regularly:

"Sal Salvador was the man before some of the current players". For someone who puts so much stock in having hung out with jazz players, you should know what calling someone "the man" means. Sal Salvador was a very good player; but, "the man"?!. "The man", when he was a contemporary of Jim Hall, Joe Pass, Kenny Burrell and others of a higher stature. If he was "the man", what were the others? If fact, and ironically, Sal Salvador’s biggest legacy is arguably as a jazz educator; something that you seem to have no respect for. Additionally, you criticize "classical people" for the way that they talk about Jazz when by your own admission you never talked to your jazz player friend about music. How do you know? You say you never talked to your friend about music and only about "where to get a good bowl of chili". I could say that this explains a lot, but I prefer to point out that I think it’s time to stop the silly tit-for-tat and try and elevate this thread to something better.  So, please, don't just get upset and accuse me of "negativity"; please tell me what I am missing.  How is Salvador "the man" compared to these other players or current players?

Loved the Pettiford clip; great stuff. Thanks!

Alexatpos very nice clips.  I am getting a sense of your musical preferences and I like it.  Thanks for sharing.  You might like this lesser known guitar player; one of my favorite guitar players who is seldom mentioned:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2l1qkAmaa8A[/URL]

At almost three years of age, 5000 posts and 1.5 million (!!!) views this thread, in spite of the disagreements, bickering and drama is clearly doing something right.  The small number of active participants is, I think, an indication of its potential more than anything else.  For that, and as the OP, you should be commended, O-10.  I also suspect that a lot of these viewers are "testing the waters" of jazz and are potential aficionados.  That is the reason that I feel that threads such as these have a responsibility to offer more than just recommendations of favorite jazz recordings based solely on personal emotional reaction when presented as definitve examples of "the best".  I believe that the seriousness of the music demands that the commentary, at least, strive to some sort of standard of integrity as concerns the commentary on the relative merits of artists, the history of the music and any other consideration that might help someone new to the art form develop a frame of reference for appreciating the music.  It would be a shame if the thread were to become inactive.  With that in mind, I would like to offer some suggestions for guidelines for better and less contentious interaction going forward:

1.  Avoid BLANKET statements about the supposed superiority of one genre or time period in the music.  It should be clear by now that doing so will only result in vehement disagreement that will only serve to derail productive discussions about the music.  We all have preferred genres and time periods in the music and should feel free to express so, but to disrespect another poster's genre or time period preferences will accomplish nothing positive.

2.  When making statements about superiority or disagreement, accompany the statements with musical examples and explanations to back up the position.  Emotional reaction is simply not enough for declarations of superiority applicable to anyone except the person making the comment.

3.  Keep commentary factual and not personal.  Calling a musician that someone takes the trouble to post a "noisemaker" is personal.  Disagreeing about the musical merit of a musician and saying that the reason are x,y&z, accompanied by musical examples is not personal.

4.   Avoid "clickish" interaction.  Obviously, it is sometimes appropriate to address individual posters, but to have protracted two-way dialogue is inappropriate; that is what pm is for.  Be inclusive.

5.  Let's all try and have thicker skins when there is disagreement.  Remember that everyone has different interaction and writing styles and we should all strive to be more secure with our opinions.

6.  Let's put the often used fallback position that some posters are not sticking to the premise of the OP to rest; as if the mission of the thread was ever to only recommend personal favorites and nothing more.  The OP clearly states: "then you will be able to decide whether they (recordings) are worthy of your collection".  

7.  Whenever possible, let's push our envelope of personal descriptive ability .  To say "I like this recording better than that recording" is not a "review".  

Pie in the sky?  Perhaps.  But, as I have said many times before, I hope we can do better.  Here are two posts that I feel are parricularly relevant right now; one recent, the other almost three years old:

*******it is not a shame not knowing something, but to remain in ignorance is. Finally, even if someone chooses that he likes more 'simple' or older forms of music, there is nothing wrong with that, as long as one leaves the window for opportunity for future things to come. **** - Alexatpos

****rok2id
3,000 posts
03-02-2013 5:38pm
I am so nutty, that I buy some CDs that I know I won't like NOW, but maybe I will in the future. Also, if it's considered a great or landmark recording, I want to have it. Same with Classical. So one day, if my theory holds, I will be jamming to Coleman and Dolphy etc.... Musical taste does change over time.****

Either frogman’s mom was scared by a bulldog while she was pregnant with him or/and he is a Honors grad of the James Levine School of Dogged Persistence .
.

Very good Schubert.  Truth is that I can be very stubborn; just ask my wife 😊.   I assure you that my Dogged Persistence is sincere inasmuch as my idea of the purpose of a thread like this goes.  Beyond that, and on a more selfish note, I like words; and, English being a second language, I appreciate an opportunity to improve my use of  it.  As I grow older and contemplate doing something else with my time, well...who knows?  Regards.

"Every man prays in his own language and there is no language that God does not understand" - Duke Ellington

Came across this article about a most interesting study.  In some subtle ways (well, perhaps not so subtle depending on one's point of view) the study touches on some of the issues frequently and hotly debated on this thread.

[URL]http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/the_musical_brain_novel_study_of_jazz_players_sho...[/URL]

I feel that big bands have gotten short shrift on this thread.  This is probably my favorite of them all; amazing sense of swing, tightness and subtley.  The article in my previous post refers to jazz players "trading fours".  For anyone who cares, in the first tune of this clip the members of Basie's brass section trade fours.  What a band!  Check out the interaction between Basie and Sonny Payne (drums) in the opening tune; amazing.  Enjoy.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TgtU0FKHBzQ[/URL]

C'mon in Rok, the water is fine!  (I know you're out there) ☺️

As much as I love Jazz music, big band/swing does nothing for me.'
I am much more into Bop, Hard-Bop and modal Jazz styles.

Is it the "big band", or is it the "swing" that you don't like?  Care to elaborate and perhaps share an example of one or the other that you do like?

I like Stan Kenton a lot , he did a lot of glorified Lawrence Wellk stuff to pay the band, but the man was very smart and his best work with the Great Anita O’ Day was a joy. Basie’s "April in Paris" recording is a fave of mine, just straight ahead music, single malt, no chaser.
frogman, your command of English is about as good as it gets. I think in religious terms and your patience with us fools is on the Saintly side .
Re the article, in Classical its very obvious that the primary difference between French and German music is a function of spoken language .
The thought came to me reading the article that the difference between
black and white English , esp. back in the day, was enough to be different languages .

The advances in  understanding the brain in the last decade may well be the greatest leap in the shortest time in the history of Science .

Schubert, not too sure about the saintly part, but thanks for the kind words.  The point you make about the connection between the language of a culture and its music has always been one of the most fascinating things in all of musicology for me.   I too like Stan Kenton a lot; "Artistry in Rhythm", "Cuban Fire" and others have always been favorites and are true classics. 

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YefLht-j7-c[/URL]

Regards 😇

frogman, I never try to flatter anyone, I say what I believe, no more, no less. I’ve about worn out my "Cuban Fire" LP , played it hundreds of times, was going to mention that Stan was so far ahead in Latin music it was remarkable , but did not want to sound like I was trying to flatter you.
Amazes me that people think "BV Social Club " was the Columbus of Cuban music .

Also loved the way Stan gave due credit to his arrangers .not that common .

Jafant, I have not recommended any big band or swing, and there is a reason for that.

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

If I don't have them in my collection, how can I review them?

If someone want's to know everything there is to know about jazz, buy an encyclopedia.

If someone wants to play jazz, hire a music teacher; or as someone suggested "Go to "you tube" and learn how to play like Miles in six easy lessons".



Enjoy the music.

Schubert, Wenn Gehirne Benzin waren, würden Sie nicht genug haben, zum des Rollers einer Urinameise anzustellen Bewegungs

The OP goes on to say:

****Why don’t you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.****

O-10, I believe a thread is not intended for the OP only. Please, give it up.

Since we're talkin' 'must-haves', here's one of mine.  One of the great Big Band recordings; The Toshiko Akiyoshi/Lew Tabakin Big Band - Long Yellow Road

https://youtu.be/3II64EHzMqg

https://youtu.be/0WrZbQIYt3U

https://youtu.be/ppi8DbFyd30

I first heard this in '75, I was 22 yrs old.  It sounds as fresh today as it did than!

The movie was a mess, but the soundtrack is great!

Kansas City

https://youtu.be/Em_o69_cZng?list=PLA14E2CCB19AEBA3B

https://youtu.be/SNEJs1YN8bU?list=PLA14E2CCB19AEBA3B

Chazro, I have both artists, here's Lew Tabackin "Pyramid", that is one beautiful tune;



                [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTp9mjI04kM[/url]




I also have Toshiko Akiyoshi, "Desert Lady/ Fantasy;"




                [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvUQeelTwc[/url]




I would like for you and Jafant to compare these tunes with what you have by them.







Enjoy the music.

I'll finish up with one from MY side of town!;)
Hilario Duran & his Latin Jazz Big Band - From The Heart (feat. my all-time favorite horn player; Maestro Paquito D'Rivera!)

https://youtu.be/Z-KxN-g-Wnw

https://youtu.be/cdlJy34vgOU

https://youtu.be/pFb7sN5gke4

O10 - I own Desert Lady, actually I'm pretty sure I own every Big Band/Orchestra release by Toshiko Akiyoshi.  I think the way the story goes is that the band used to be based in NYC and recorded for RCA.  They (husband & wife; Akiyoshi & Tabakin) decided to move to California, where they started to record for the JAM label and they used West Coast musicians (and Lew took up residence for a long time with Johnny Carson's/Doc Severinson's Tonight Show Orchestra).  Even though the west coast records are excellent, I strongly prefer the RCA/NYC recordings, they were younger and it seems to me that the fire and the brilliance was stronger somehow.

Tabakin is such an amazing player, I seriously can't think of a single time I've heard him play and not come away impressed!

I love this thread.  Read a lot, learned a lot and have learned about players I knew nothing about.

Thank you all.

Back in 1969 I was in high school, and had a crush on Margo.  Margo's older brother was a senior and probably the coolest human on earth.  Not into sports, nor the debate team.  He had long hair and a smokin' hot girlfriend. He was also brilliant.  His name was Rex.

I was deeply into Frank Zappa at the time.  Also the Moody Blues, Jeff Beck and of course, the Beatles.

I was at their house during the Christmas holiday and as always, hitting unsuccessfully on Margo.  Rex brought out a record, put it on and blew my mind.  I'd never heard anything that moved me as much as what was playing.  The conversation went something like this;

"Who IS THIS!!!"
"I NEED THIS RECORD!!"

Rex, in his very cool way said, "This is jazz man.  This is jazz."

I never looked back.  40+ years I've collected, played and taught about this music we call jazz.  I can never have enough.

Here it is, Les McCann and Eddie Harris.  Swiss Movement.  The record Rx played in 1969.  I still like it.  A lot.

-- Bob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UrjQSVbIkk&list=PLvMh7Ixx-tsf6FSEncG6bBvGy9M-V6KJv

Jazz, that's one of Rok's favorite records, and mine too. I never get tired of listening to it. That's what is so fantastic about good jazz "it never gits old".



Enjoy the music.

Jazz here's one of my old favorites "Last Train From Overbrook". I was catching the last train from my hometown, going to San Antonio, Texas, Lackland AFB for basic training when I heard this, that was not a happy ride; but as I was to find out, it could have been worse.



            [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=028UoUkO7zc[/url]


The nice thing about James Moody's albums is the fact that every cut is a winner.


Just before I posted, I was listening to "Happy Blues" by Gene Ammons. His albums are consistent winners, as everybody already knows.



            [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdvienyK758&list=RDBdvienyK758[/url]





Enjoy the music

Chazro, I agree that Lew Tabackin is a fantastic player.  He is a great tenor player with a distinctive sound; very robust and, to my ear, an obvious Sonny Rollins influence.  He is also perhaps the greatest current jazz flutist; with the possible exception of Hubert Laws who plays with a very different style.  I've been a fan for a long time.  Also a fan of Toshiko's band, but I think you may have gotten the band's timeline backwards.  I used to go hear them at Birdland in the early '80s after they moved to NY from LA where the band was started.  But I do agree that the NY band was more exciting with more fire in the belly.  

Loved the Hidalgo Duran clips; thanks!  Maestro D'Rivera is unique in that, not only can he move between jazz and classical easily, when he improvises in a Latin bag he plays with an amazingly convincing blend of the Jazz language and authentic Latin feel; not all that common.  

O-10, some of my favorite tenor playing by Tabackin is not on one of his records as a leader, but on Freddie Hubbard's album "Sweet Return".  Highly recommended.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhDqaS4L2eE[/URL]

Maestro Paquito D'Rivera:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kfgVPIa_bq8[/URL]

@frogman, rules to live by!
Now, on to the music.  First, thanks for the Les McCann suggestion, @jzzmusician!  Never heard it before, at least, not that I can recall!  Just gave it a listen and it definitely rocks -- not my "favorite," but great listening!  Thanks.
This thread is pretty long, but I haven't seen mention of Lionel Hampton.  I was just listening to Gold Vibes/Silver Vibes last night, and marveled at how great it was and has stood the test of time.  I love the sound of the vibes, and Milt Jackson's work is some of my favorite as well.

As for "new" jazz, one of my favorites is Patricia Barber's Companion.  Small club recording, extremely high quality recording, and features some great stuff.  It is one of my test CD's for testing stereo equipment.  Definitely worth a listen!

I'll just note that despite some amusing banter and sometimes opinionated comments, I have either discovered or re-discovered some phenomenal music through the recommendations on this thread, so thanks, @orpheus10 !

I try to post albums from musicians who are not well known, who either were forgotten, or even worse, never made it in first place. This album is from trio that cut only one album, from 1961. Here are the links. The Trio, Gaylor, Bean, Norris. Hope you will like it .  

[/url]https://youtu.be/vI7FdzzVnKA[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/oyF6tpViecs[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/g46GoV9wIhU[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/6TJfpD4--Fo[/url]

Walter Norris, piano player, continued to make more music, but Bean, guitar player and Gaylor eventually left the scene and stopped playing.
 Billy Bean recorded few albums,as well as leader and as sideman, mostly on west coast. Apperently he left some mark on some famous players too. Here are some links

[url]https://youtu.be/Fr_iLB6t2MU[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/rApGoZQEINg[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/TSAqki6qSWM[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/68109PNAcW4[/url]

Alex, some of your links aren't coming up, but what does is good. The Trio, Gaylor, Bean, Norris is good; they're new to me, I'll have to get them.

Johnny Pisano & Billy Bean Quintet, with Chico Hamilton "Indian Summer" had a definite West Coast sound; I liked it; I developed an appetite for the West Coast. I think it's an acquired taste.


Although Chico Hamilton and Bud Shank are the only names I recognized, they were all good.




Enjoy the music.

As I am too old to link I won’t, but one of you smarter people need to link up Brad Mehldau Trio, class personified .
Like Basie , Brad doesn’t play more notes than needed.

Big fan of the trio as well- Brad Mehldau is one of the best!

Its been said that it in early 60's,' West Coast jazz scene took a more groovy, soulful and harder swinging approach, in a delibrate effort to escape some of the previous cooler, more mellow and polished sounds'. New names came on the scene, one of them was a tenor sax Curtis Amy, who made six albums from 1960-1963 for a Pacific jazz label. Here are some links, from 'Groovin Blue' and 'Way Down', recorded 1961. and 1962. 

[url]https://youtu.be/McwAoqvvyXk[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/48YVLMsoPkg[/url]

If someone decides to listen more his work, there is also his album called 'Katanga' that I have already posted, with 'mysterious' trumpet player Dupree Bolton, and Ray Crawford (played with Ahmad Jamal, J.Smith, etc.) 
Here is the link again, as I am already mentioning him.

[url]https://youtu.be/wLxxeBRqqKw[/url]

[url]http://www.jazz.com/features-and-interviews/2009/4/14/in-search-of-dupree-bolton-part-1[/url]


Hope you will like it

Alex, you're bringing some fantastic musicians to my attention that I never heard of. West Coast musicians can make a living without leaving LA, but they discover late in life when they're broke, that wasn't a good idea. A musician has to make all the money he can when he's hot, and going to New York seems to be a necessity.

I liked all three records. Was Bobby Hutcherson on vibes on two of the records? Dupree Bolton was original, and he blew as well as any trumpet I've heard; that's why so many people took an interest in him. He was a mysterious person. I've witnessed "Dupree Boltens"; incredible musicians with short musical lives as a result of drugs. There is an uninformed rumor that drugs help jazz musicians play better; it helps jazz musicians not to show up. It's amazing how lies about jazz musicians can become truth as a result of repetition.

Although most of the musicians were unknown to me, I still liked the music. Are those records available on CD? Keep up the good work.





Enjoy the music.

O-10, I really don't see anything negative in my comments, other than the fact that they are responding to the negativity from Rok and yourself.  I certainly did not intend for them to be negative - I was merely trying to say what frogman was saying in his excellent post shortly afterwards.  We are merely trying to help you understand more about the art form you love, and to understand why some of the arguments presented here make no real sense, because of this fundamental lack of knowledge.  He also makes a great point that we cannot let certain outright untruths stand, if this thread is to be taken at all seriously.  A very important point - anyone who knows about music can have a conversation with anyone else who does. If your jazz friends did not have conversations about music with you, that says much more about you than them. I have learned a great deal from this thread, personally, and am very happy that you started it.   I am truly sorry if you see me as nothing but a negative influence, and will withdraw if you are serious about it.  
If indeed this is to be my last post on this thread, I will add two more general comments.  You seem to have this bizarre idea that the worlds of classical and jazz do not and cannot mix.  Nothing could be further from the truth.   One of my good friends in my orchestra is a bass player, who also happens to be nationally known and respected as one of the best jazz bassists.  Frogman himself is another example - what is unique about he and my friend is the extremely high professional level they have attained in both genres - not that they play both genres. Many, many musicians play both genres.  
One last thing - your comment that you either have "it", or you don't.  While this is basically true, there are a great many people out there who had "it", but did not put in the work and study they needed to, and fell by the wayside.  Merely having "it" is not anywhere near enough.  Miles put in some serious study, and some serious work, all of his life, both before and after he was in school - as does any musician of any kind who is any damn good at all.   Do you have to go to school?  No - but you do have to put in the work and the study.  

IMO whats good about being a serious musician is that it is one of the half-dozen or so jobs in this society  that are actually inherently worth doing .

Every time brings new forms. Jazz as it once was was specific in many ways, and its hard to expect that things will remain the same.Without many words, the perspective on music is probably different in Europe than in States. It goes without saying that now education is considered as a plus. If you dont mind I will share two short live clips, gigs were held in my home country. First one is Gypsy jazz...

[url]https://youtu.be/8SxBP3-F7PY?list=PL24C479249F261AEA[/url]

Just to mention, violin player Florin Nicolescu attended Conservatorie de Paris, the accordian player Marjan Krajna gradueted on Russsian state music Academy, and the bass player Jurica Stelma is member of national filharmonic orchestra. Of course,all of that does not make them necessarily good jazz musicians, or does not prove anything, but imho it certainly helps.

[url]https://youtu.be/bPook3wafBc?list=PL3R0km4nxthXF4r_uKUvg_5FHMfwkeFW3[/url]

The young guy on vibrahone Simun Matisic, has also classical education, bass player is mentioned above. Somehow that seems to be pattern, in this present time, classicly trained musicians are playing jazz for their own pleasure.

Orpheus, on first album vibrahone is played by B.H. on second its Roy Ayers. You can find all mentined albums and more on Amazon

Alexatpos, very nice posts recently; thank you.

I particularly enjoyed the Billy Bean posts.  As you point out, Bean is a little known guitarists to most jazz lovers, but a local legend in the Northeast USA area.  Wonderful player with a beautifully fluid style who was part of the Philadelphia scene where he served to be one of the great and fellow Philadelphian Pat Martino's influences.  To Learfool's post: most major cities or major metropolitan areas in the USA have always had a local jazz guru who many of the famous players have gone to in order to study with them.  In Philadelphia it was Dennis Sandole, a guitarist who players like Bean and even John Coltrane went to.  The great Pat Martino:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cyqJwJzGB0g[/URL]

One of the most interesting stories in all of jazz lore.  Pat Martino suffered a brain aneurysm late in his careerand lost much of his memory and actually had to relearn to play the guitar by listening to his own recordings and studying with the students that he had taught..  Amazing individual and considered one of the very greatest by guitar players.  

Also enjoyed the Curtis Amy clips, very good player, but I don't consider him, or Dupree, have been (Bean? 😉) top tier players. I agree with Alex that many of these players deserve more recognition and its a shame that they are forgotten, but I will stick to my contention that with a few notable exceptions (Bean) most of the "forgotten" players are forgotten for a reason.

Alex's Hot Club Jazz clips take me back to moto_man's recent post re Lionel Hampton.  He was discussed early in this thread.  One of my very favorite clips from that era on all of YouTube and one that brings a little humor to several of the "Hot" topics of the thread:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsJScuVa_HI[URL]

Jafant, haven't heard them yet, but I would be on the lookout for Peter Erskine's "Dr Um"; new for 2016.

Ahmad Jamal "Saturday Morning"  album is a masterpiece.  Everyone go take a listen.   It's been out a couple of years.  He is a master.  70 years in music still has the piano keys smoking! 

Yes! calvinj-

Blue Moon + Saturday Morning are (2) recent masterpieces by the master himself.