Jazz for aficionados

Frogman, that Red Garland is on my shopping list, thanks

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Rok, I bought that LP when it came out, and I still don't know what Modal music is. Yes, ignorance is true bliss, and I've always liked the happy people.

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Rok, I've already got Nina, I'm going to have to catch up with you on Chucho Valdes. Where do I start?

I had no idea so many people would agree on Roland Kirk, he's been one of my favorites for ages.

Lambert, Hendricks and Ross, or Lambert Hendricks and Bavan are both very good and naturally they sound similar, except the "Bavan" recordings are newer.

"Ain't Misbehavin" was one of the most enjoyable plays I've ever seen, although it's not on my playlist; but I bet you knew that Rok.

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I appreciate everyone's effort to stick within the confines of "classic jazz". I've been down this road before, and the conversation falls apart as soon as we get outside of well known parameters. I consider this conversation highly beneficial when something new is added to my rotating play list, it's almost like an equipment upgrade.

Believe it or not, occasionally someone introduces me to a new artist within the confines of "classic jazz"; for example I had never heard of "Ahmed Abdul-Malik, who played jazz double bass and oud. There are still new discoveries to be made within these parameters, and there is always music by your favorite old artists that you haven't heard. I know I'm going to be doing my best to help broaden your collection.

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I recall reading about the day he met the rhythm section in his autobiography. Since I can't talk too much about Art Pepper without getting sad, I won't, but that's a real nice CD.

Buena Vista Social Club, goes all the way back to "Cubano Bop", which is what Diz called it when he had Chano Pozo with him on "Manteca". That jazz was so far ahead of it's time that it took the rest of world 20 years to catch up.

Today, I've been on two tracks; first I want to give those who want new music, Pat Metheney & Anna Maria Jopek; "Are you going with me?" This can be seen on "You tube". Although it won't meet the definition of "classic jazz" for some aficionados, it's the best new music I've heard this year, and I'll have to let everyone else classify and define it.

The second track is for classic jazz aficionados, it consists of two different sides of Wes Montgomery. Before he became famous, his music was introspective and in a deep jazz groove. The Wes Montgomery Trio, Round Midnight, is an example of that phase of Wes's career. This warm intimate version of "Round Midnight" is my favorite.

"Bumpin On Sunset", exemplifies the other phase of his career after he became famous. This can also be found on "You tube". Music is synonymous with my memories, while I wasn't "Bumpin On Sunset", I was bumpin everywhere else at that time. "Why is youth wasted on the young?".

Sharing music like this is almost like a social visit.

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Rok, I wracked my brain (not hard to do) and I don't recall you mentioning Carmen McRae. I know that's got to be wrong; just checking.

Frogman, while I mentioned the BVSC, it was in a musical context, as opposed to a historical context. "Cubano Bop" as the name implies is a combination of "Be Bop" and Cuban music. In no way can "Cubano Bop" be put into some kind of grand historical context.

Foster_9, I know the version you're speaking of, and I do believe that was one of a kind. Unlike Miles, and Monk who recorded many different versions of the same tune, not so for "Senior Blues" and Horace Silver. The version you're speaking of was far and above any "Senior Blues" I've ever heard. If you have any luck on obtaining it, let us know.

Frogman, as good as that version of "Senior Blues" is, it's not the one Foster is referring to. If this can be acquired, I'll get it.

Foster_9, I compared two versions of "Senor Blues", one on CD from the 56 LP "Six Pieces of Silver" and the "You tube" you're speaking of. While some of the musicians are different, there is only one "gigantic" difference, and that is Horace's solo in the middle. As Miles liked to say "He got all up into the music". Horace went up one side, down the other side, and then through the middle of that solo. He hit some funky notes and it got good to him, so he hit some more.

When something like that occurs, it's one of a kind and can never be duplicated, good luck on getting it.

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Frogman, I must compliment you on your knowledge of Cuban music. I have some Afro Cuban music that's classified under the different styles. Amor Verdadero, guajira-son; Alto Songo, son montuno; Habana Del Este, danzonete-cha; A Toda Cuba Le Gusta, son; Fiesta de la Rumba, guaguanco; lOS Sitio Asere, guaguanco-son; Elube Chango, son afro. While similar to other Latin music, it has so much more fire. If I could, I would get up and dance. The title of this CD is "Afro Cuban All Stars"

Cuban music is the greatest Latin American music of all. For many years I've been into Brazilian music, and now I realize Cuba influenced Brazil and all the rest of the Latin American musicians. After listening to this CD of Cuban music, my memory was vaguely flooded with music from old movies portraying something or another in Brazil, Mexico, or elsewhere in Latin America, but they always used "Cuban music" and never gave them credit. Could it have anything to do with the fact that so many Cuban musicians were "Black". Does anybody remember "Ricky Ricardo" with his Cuban band? I rest my case.

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Chazro, with the exception of Paquito, whose more into jazz, the other Cuban musicians play very beautiful Cuban music. They have followed a historic lineage, and they've done it very well. That's not to say they're imitating the past, but improvising on it, and incorporating new music of their own. That new music is still distinctly Cuban.

This is not a matter of "old versus new", but what sounds beautiful and sensual according to my musical sensibilities. Those are two traits the new musicians retained, as they must for authentic Cuban music. I liked them very much, and they will be added to my collection.

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Rok, we're discovering the same thing at the same time, and it's so absurd. Everything with an African origin is changed to something else. If you recall the soundtracks to old movies with a Brazilian or Mexican settings, that was "Afro Cuban music". Some people have a "photographic" memory, I have a "phonographic" memory. I recall when I was in my early teens, seeing a movie titled "In Brazil" with Glen Ford, and there were several dance scenes, and the music was the same as what I heard on this CD titled "Cuban All stars", that's what I'm talking about. They never gave the people who created the music credit for it.

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Frogman, you are most certainly correct in regard to the movie.

Rok, The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: all thy Piety or Wit Shall not lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor will all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

The moving finger done wrote, and nothing will change that. Let's get back to the music, and let the music do the rest of the writing.

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onhwy61, many times we've made a wrong turn after embarking on a journey. One glance at the map tells us to correct and move on. So it is with this journey, now that we have corrected, I hope you join us, and share the music in your jazz collection.

Without a doubt, "The Colpix Years" are the best, that music is timeless; it sounds just as fresh today as when she recorded it. This is like returning to an old gold mine that everyone had given up on, and said "There's no more gold in that mine", and were discovering new nuggets everyday.

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Before anything gets misinterpreted, that wasn't addressed to anyone personally, but to us all generally. What we have to say about history, is moot compared to what "the moving finger" had to say. Whatever it was, nothing can change what the moving finger has written, and the moving finger never stops writing.

I would like for those moving fingers out there, write some more good recommendations that I can add to my collection.

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Rok, Gloria Lynne, a forgotten vocalist, has come to my attention recently; she had a very seductive voice and "I Wish You Love" was probably her biggest hit. "June Night" is another one you want included in any compilation.

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Rok, you gotta check Chucho Valdez and The Afro Cuban Messengers. This is "jazz" without any qualifiers. Although they're Cuban, Blakey would have been proud of these musicians. I listened long and hard, they cook. Some of the music incorporated elements of "Vodoun", but I liked that too. Tell me what you think.

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Frogman, I have "The Complete Blue Note Recordings of The Tina Brooks Quintets", that was put out on Mosaic Records. He expressed "Tina Brooks" eloquently, and that's what it's all about. Some of the musicians that appear with him on this 4 LP box set, are Lee Morgan, Sonny Clark, Doug watkins, Art Blakey, Jackie McClean, Blue Mitchell, Paul Chambers, and Philly Joe Jones. While there are other stars on this record set, the music is "Tina Brooks", and I'm glad I got to hear it.

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Foster, I understand why you said "Oh my Lord!" That was beyond words. I feel fortunate to have heard and seen it. Thank you much.

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Foster, the key to finding what you're looking for is the time. My recorded version is 7 minutes long while that was 18 minutes long. The biggest difference is Horace's long "unrestrained" solo. That goes for "Senor Blues" as well.

Although I've got a ton of Silver's music, nothing like that. Let me know if you find a CD of what you're looking for.

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Frogman, Charlie Mariano is one of those musicians, I saw out of the corner my eye; meaning he was around, but I just didn't see him. I also discovered what we wont discuss, in consideration of Rok's sensitivities.

Good "West Coast" jazz is something I'm trying hard to acquire. All the records I had have long gone, and it was something that came and went. I recall me and another aficionado going to movies just to hear the soundtracks; that's where the very best examples of West Coast jazz appeared, as well as TV backgrounds. The movies were so forgettable that I've forgotten them. Maybe you remember some good West Coast jazz?

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Frogman, you were absolutely correct in assuming we could skip over the usual suspects. That first LP led me to a gold mine. Curtis Counce, Shelly Manne, Andre Previn, Bud Shank, Jimmy Giuffre, are all proponents of the West Coast jazz that I'm seeking. I can track each one of them during that time, and add to my West Coast collection.

Charlie Parker's spell was cast too strong over jazz in the 50's, and there was entirely too much imitation; while those on the West Coast were just doing their thing. This music is for "being cool", laid back and just enjoy listening. Thank you much.

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Rok, as I stated on an earlier post, if I'm not "resonant" to the music being played, it sounds like noise. It's for sure I'm not resonant to that music, but this is joke isn't it.

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In an earlier post I stated that Charlie Parker's spell was cast too strong over jazz in the 50's. While that was true, it was impossible not to come under the "Bird's" spell. He played jazz in so many different ways that they couldn't be classified. I'm going to give you one example of the "Bird", that you should have in your collection, and be thankful that it's available.

"Charlie Parker with Strings: The Master Takes", this music is so beautiful, that it doesn't matter what genre your musical preference falls in, you'll like this.

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Rok, the definition of "West Coast" jazz is very elusive. That's because the same musicians also played East Coast, as well as "No Coast" jazz. It's kind of like "bouillabaise", you have to try a spoonful. No description can be quite appropriate, and to further complicate the matter, it had a short life span. Fortunately, there's a lot on "You tube", and Amazon has it, which means it's still available. I'll post the best examples I can find so that everyone will be able to recognize "West Coast".

Frogman, since you're an aficionado of West Coast jazz, I would appreciate it if you posted your best examples of West Coast.

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Acman3, I have empathy for all human beings, especially musicians, and I hope your friend Mr. John Purcell gets better.

Jimmy giuffre opening for jazz on a summers day is my best example of West coast jazz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfLsEH4csQ4

Chico Hamiltons "Topsy" is another good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fE73sAZxlE

Now you're an aficionado of West Coast jazz.

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Rok, how do you like Marakesh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-FUM74WsQo

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Frogman, it's delight to have you on this thread, not only are you a jazz aficionado, but you're a musician as well. Although I never thought about West Coast from a musical perspective (the softer tone) that's quite accurate.

West coast jazz had a relatively short life span. Although the musicians lived on, West Coast was dead after 65, while the very same musicians evolved into other forms of jazz. The very best jazz from this genre would be in the 50's. This means that although you have the same West Coast musicians after the 50's, they may, or may not still be playing "West Coast" jazz.

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Rok, even though you're prone to take things out of context, I like you anyway; but if there was one big "Bird", and a lot of little birds imitating big "Bird", that was too many birds. In regard to "Birds" stature, that's unquestionable.

Many of the "Boppers" just weren't cool enough to understand "West Coast". It was like LA, laid back and in a hurry to get nowhere. This music was best appreciated in a coffee house where they recited poetry and the chicks wore leotards, "Can you dig it"?

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Pnmeyer, very well put. Once upon a time, I thought like others in regard to who was the best, now I appreciate the same musicians you like, except I appreciate them more than before.

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Rok, the picture of a big burly man struttin around in leotards, put me in stitches, I couldn't stop laughing; and at a time when I needed a good joke.

Speaking of Jack Sheldon, here is a little trumpet by him along with a vocal by Linda Lawson. This music sprang from the west coast in that time frame as "West Coast" jazz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA81pRYtEXc

No Rok, you wont hear that in a coffee shop.

Marqmike, your appreciation of my musical offering was a reward in itself. For that, here's another offering. It transports me to a special music lovers inner sanctum that's out of this world, where I find peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNk3qtzNM_s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4BBLNL2YPg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPFcP1oRmcs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1hm7KlfT8

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No Rok, I didn't like it. While I'm a big fan of each individual musician that was in that group, I didn't like the music. That band sounded like "Bird" was leading it, are you sure he wasn't there. The man blowing that horn was not "Yusef lateef", but a musician who was getting paid to blow a certain type of music, that I call "stereotypical" jazz.

If that had been "Bird" and one of his groups, I would have appreciated that very same music, but it wasn't; it was an imitation of his music long after "Bird" has gone to that big band in the sky.

As you know, I'm also a big fan of "Horace Silver", but his live performances overseas can also produce what the audience expects as opposed to some creative music. Musicians had to make a living, and that's exactly what those musicians were doing.

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Rok, since yours didn't show up I substituted "Kush" by Diz for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbVRM5-bcJo

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Rok, I didn't give that total performance a listen the first time. Although they started off with "stereotypical jazz", after that, they went into some really fine music. Since what they played in the beginning was to warm up the audience, even that was understandable.

I saw and heard "Yusef Lateef" perform "Angel Eyes", that was magical. "Jive Samba" is one of my favorite tunes, and Nat Adderley was superb, he played his heart out. That extended version was fantastic, all of the musicians played beautifully; every last one of them was at the top of his game when this was performed.

That was a marvelous contribution, and here it is for others to enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Fo_2Jz9EM

Rok, together we have answered a consistent question of Foster_9's. Why can't he ever find a CD or LP of the live performances? Everything we want is before CD's, and LP's had very constrictive time restraints, consequently, those live performances that went as long as 20 minutes on one song, could not be comfortably accommodated.

Switzerland or Germany, I'm glad I got to see that extended performance of "Jive Samba", and Joe Zawinul, does an incredible solo on "Angel Eyes". This was a very fortuitous mistake.

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Rok, to further confuse things, the CD you have doesn't have all the tunes I heard on the concert, but believe me "Switzerland and Germany" are the same in regard to the music, year, and musicians. It's just like they picked up the band and moved next door, they even had on the same type of clothes, no more confusion.

Rok, It's my fault that you're confused. When I said the man on that horn was not "Yusef Lateef", I meant it was him, playing music that was prescribed, and not his music; but that all cleared up later on when the "real" Yusef Lateef (according to my musical conception) appeared when he played the flute on "Angel Eyes".

In regard to "Switzerland or Germany" there was no difference in personnel. I looked at both on You tube, and you couldn't even tell the difference. I hope that clears everything up.

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Lee Morgan, is one of the greatest "modern jazz" trumpet players ever in history. This is the consensus I've gotten after a lifetime of talking to other jazz aficionados. He was chosen when I picked Clifford Brown. I'll give you two of the many reasons why Lee Morgan has been chosen by consensus of many jazz aficionados: "A Night in Tunisia" and "Since I Fell For You".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99U3Omgh8z8

Lenny Welch's "Since I Fell for You," reached number 4 on U.S. Billboard Hot 100 in 1963. That certainly ranks his version as one of the best. Lee Morgan's trumpet sings this song even better than Lenny Welch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSeZ3rzxarU

Pnmeyer, what's most astounding about my assessments and recommendations, is the fact that they are making me aware of all the CD's not currently in my collection.

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Frogman, I'm absolutely certain it's jazz. He plays his voice better than many musicians can play their instruments. Here's more Bobby McFerrin.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?gmusi&1361722327&openflup&240&4#240

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ith4w442xFA

"We", like the music and musicians we admire, are individualistic, and nobody's going to take that away from us. With this thought in mind, I sought a musician we could all agree on, and I think Mr. Gene Ammons meets that criteria. Here are two of my favorites by "Jug", as his friends called him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5E37pMaiw

"Hitting The Jug" and "The Happy Blues"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVu_g_9oFwU&list=AL94UKMTqg-9At3fTg1zCEz7G9SAWVsmO3

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