Then they would not be acceptable, which should have been known before signing the contract
About a decade ago I met a nice looking woman whose personality matched mine. Excited to get to know her better, I invited her over.
Now my living space is 20 x 40 x 12ft peak in vaulted ceiling. The main rig occupies the south side of the room near the front door. The TV system is on the long wall
The front door opens into this large space. I open the door and AS SOON AS SHE WALKS IN she says (in NOT a happy voice): "This house is decorated for a bachelor"
Needless to say, that date did not last long
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Over the years, I have used the term WAF only a few times. I feel entitled to use the term, as it specifically applies. She is and has been my wife for a very long time and her opinion and approval has merit. Fortunately, she is quite flexible with my, borderline, audio eccentrics.
@coltrane1 She gets the living room and you get the den.
That defiantly helps.
When we moved back into a larger home, it gave us the space for separate AV and Audio rooms. The AV (family room) set up most convenient for her and the Audio (living room) set up for me.
The only WAF issue then was "The Maggies really don’t look too bad, but do they really need to be that far from the wall?" With a little resistance she went along and even helped me pick out some heavy drapes for the windowless wall behind the speakers - Isn’t Love Grand. :-)
Jim
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Absolutely (with respect to the first post). It‘s loaded with assumptions. |
I’ve never understood this WAF thing. She gets the living room and you get the den. It’s your room to do as you want. Where’s the argument in that? Stay in your room and there’s no argument. |
@glupson "The world may be a better place if someone shut down the Internet for a year."
Yes, as well as what passes for public education and higher education. Humanity might recover some semblance of civility. "woke" what a joke. |
@mewsickbuff....*G* +1
I'm fortunate....my f/m spouse likes my hobby overall. But when it comes time to 'integrate' it into a main living area we both agree that it shouldn't need to hide, nor clash.
"Can we get some outdoor speakers?" (She gardens....)
"Can the Maggies' fabric be colored?" (Sure....the 'socks' could even be digitally printed....and why not?)
"When the tv isn't 'on' a program, can it 'slide-show' art?" (...don't see why not...beats 'basic black'....)
"Can the equipment be 'minimalized'? (Already have a plan for that...)
A bit of flexibility goes a long way....;) |
Maybe he actually said .... "you have a nice hubby" 🥁(rimshot) It is alway's nice to have women members here! |
Bottom line, WAF speaks of
1. the one who is NOT (so much) into music,
2. the one who is NOT buying equipment and placing it in the main living space (dedicated listening spaces only need the main listener's approval)
3. the one who is NOT tweaking for the best possible sound and
4. the one who is NOT placing room treatments.
Acceptance factor is no longer limited to wives. So I don't think we're dealing with a sexist term but more accurately an outdated one. The term is familiar so it lives on. I'm a (female) wife and the one who does all the things I've listed above. My (male) husband, 2 thumbs up. He say's I have a nice hobby.
Hope I'm not the long winded one alluded to by the OP :)
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The first time i have dream to be a billionaire i was dreaming that, not only for the money to buy illimited amount of books and music, i wanted the best audio system in the world to play with....At this time i was sure that only a very big amount of money would make me able to enjoy that... Today i know better, and i can afford for myself the books and music i badly need, and i own an especially good audio system, a very good one but at very low cost, thanks to my homemade creations and own method to embed righfully any audio system (mechanically, electrically and acoustically) and make it able to delivers the good... A method of experimental listenings is not a bunch of unrelated costly tweaks by the way, it is a method; no tweaks are a method, they are ready made costly very partial solutions...Anyway.... I wrote this post to say that for the second time of my life i want to becomes a billionnaire, if Sean Penn can marry a 27 years old woman , me i want this one: (ADULT ONLY) Tanerélle Stephens aka Mama Saturn ( one of the most cool singer there is ever , feminine essence manifested, :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XUrySbdUE I promise this times i will takes account of the wife factor totally and completely.... And all of you stay clear of this woman.... :) I must confess that i interupt my 30 hours listening of Bach Cantatas with Richter because of Tanerélle....I am perhaps more a mammal than i can myself admit to be even to myself.... ): |
Better make that a cocktail party instead!! |
"Are you seriously intending to go to the dinner party looking like that?" |
I had the B&O 5000 many years ago while I was movin' on up. Sanford & Son would have my first system. (not being racist). I grew up in the home antique business. I hobbled together a free system from stuff of various old houses. HealthKit mono integrated and RCA (branded) similar amp. Electrovoice Corner can (wolverine) and a bass guitar combo cab (removed head) with spliced outdoor p.a.horn for hf. Garrard TT with radio shack Y adapter. My most proud of system!!! All FUN Lou!! |
Iso - agree with you 100 here. If only George Carlin & Don Rickles were still alive.
What if they were all audiophiles, Archie, George Jefferson, and Frank Lorenzo?
Jefferson would have the B&O system and Frank Lorenzo would have a Linn / Naim system with LS3/5a’s I think. JJ Evans a boombox. Archie has the Fisher console.
(Notice how I keep trying to change this silly WAF sexist/not sexist/who gives two sh#+s conversation into something more fun) |
There is always the Women's Perogative. She: "Come to think of it ..,, those old speakers weren't so bad after all, and the new ones "we" decided on don't sound nearly as good". 🙄 He: Actually, I never DID sell them, they're packed (hidden) away in the garage. I'll bring them right back in"! 😂 |
In the lexicon of the old South, If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy. |
The very thing that makes her rich, will make you poor (so many ways). |
See it from a woman's perspective.
To make a home which is looking nice, she has to constantly manage things, which means prevent the home from cluttering.
To keep the home clean and manageable so it can be decorated and looks nice while everything is highly functional - else wise cleaning becomes difficult. Non functional clutter is weeded out.
And no, women (I know) do appreciate good sound - if it comes from gorgeous looking tube amps and the loudspeakers are not the size of fridges.
Many men might have a "hunter and gatherer" - aka hoarding complex.
When women "hoard", they tend to collect records, YMMV
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I can’t decide if WAF is sexist because it means its a woman’s job to have good taste, or because its sexist to assume the wife is a woman.
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Only once was a piece of equipment not WAF ready 39 years ago. The Acoustat X speakers with black grill, three angled panels, 4'+ high in a light pine exterior trim looked like "coffins." The amps blew and after a year, I sold them. They had virtually no vertical sound over 4' high and were ugly. Replaced with Acoustat 2+2s. |
grow a set .... then lose one in the divorce. |
A "wife" can be either male/female and/or of the third sex, et cetera...
Only in your world the 3%
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grow a set and enjoy the music Who has time to think about things you can't understand. |
«Justice dont want to kill injustices, no more than love want to kill hate» -Groucho Marx
« If differences are the salt of the earth, the earth is love» - Anonymus |
It could have been in a Magnavox console. The Politically Correct movement is not designed to spare feelings ... it is meant to covertly divide us. I say celebrate our differences, in style of the Dean Martin Roasts. Don Rickles RIP |
Archie was the first sitcom audiophile. His chair was right in the sweet spot. Only we never saw the system because of the camera angle.
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Lou, That was the good-ol-days when we could all make fun of each other and laugh about it together. And no polack records that play backwards! 😄 |
ISO - thank you, your the only one who gets it!
“Now Meathead, let me tell something about the Big One, WWII buddy, we didn’t have no Jap, Chink, or your Fag British turntables, it was good ole made in the USA!”
Having said that, if Archie were an audiophile, he’d definitely have some McIntosh gear or maybe some classic Fisher tube gear, definitely no Telefunkens in there though :) |
@russbutton that is a beautiful room, hats off. |
Do you want to be happy in the living room or the bedroom. |
Is Wife Acceptance Factor (WAF) sexist? ..... Not if you are getting no sex! ;) |
Ladies want feminine decor in the home, and do not give a darn about sound quality.
Solutions are a private listening room or headphones.
I view this issue as equal rights!
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Try some Jorge Manrique:
Thanks for this wonderful poetry.... It seems near Goethe.... My best to you.... |
Good grief??? LAF (Lucy acceptance factor) Goid luck!!! |
@mahgister
Try some Jorge Manrique:
Nuestras vidas son los ríos que van a dar en la mar, que es el morir: allí van los señoríos, derechos a se acabar y consumir; allí los ríos caudales, allí los otros medianos y más chicos; y llegados, son iguales los que viven por sus manos y los ricos.
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Good grief next we'll be hearing about systemic sexism.
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Anytime I've explained the WAF pertaining to HIFI, to non-audio people, the women usually seem to get the bigger laugh out of it. Sometime's when in the company of a few women, one tell's how much a designer purse cost, I say in (in fake astonishment), "You could get a nice set of speaker cables for that much"!!!! It is much worth the looks you receive back. HA 😄 |
A WAF can decide whether you should have this system or not. Whether WAF is a sexist concept plays so little in the scheme of things, more important consideration is whether the Audio items or items are WAF friendly... |
:) Your interpretation of my posts is surprizing... At least you read...But reading secondary philosophers is of no help... My understanding of Political Economy is like my understanding of Audio , unorthodox, and not in Gramsci nor in Milton Friedman.... Read Goethe second Faust....It will be a beginning in economy... Goethe was many thing, except stupid.... Read his modern economic commentator: Hans Christoph Binswanger, "According to Binswanger, Goethe forecast the potential of the modern economy to create value ex nihilo." In economy like in audio, we must for the sake of reality create adequate ideas, if not, we are corpses agitating in the river waves going to no sea.... The idea of money need some renewing brain effort nowadays....And some other concept in economy....And it is not in Gramsci nor in Ayn Rand... This forum is not the place for this debate about politics tough... Sorry.... |
@mahgister Have you been reading Gramsci again? |
WAF is a very important concept to me. It's my excuse when I cannot afford the upgrade I really want.
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@russbutton I live in a 100 year old Craftsman bungalow and run a pair of Linkwitz Orion loudspeakers. As this is a hi-end DIY system, and I’m not the world’s best cabinet maker, I hired a local pro to make mine up in a Mission style, to go with the house, instead of the more Danish Modern look of the original. The difference in sound is minimal. Few audiophile visitors leave without envy. And the system looks great. Bravo, nicely done sir. As a residential/architectural designer, you have done a wonderful job incorporating not only the speakers, but also the ‘rack’ into the style of your home. Looks great, well done. |
Both of my ex wifes loved music ,they just hated how much vinyl and cds I bought .Let's go into the equipment factor.... |
Chances are, only one of you in the household is an audiophile and cares one whit about how your music sounds. Chances are the other person does care about how your home looks. And heck. Maybe you do too? I live in a 100 year old Craftsman bungalow and run a pair of Linkwitz Orion loudspeakers. As this is a hi-end DIY system, and I’m not the world’s best cabinet maker, I hired a local pro to make mine up in a Mission style, to go with the house, instead of the more Danish Modern look of the original. The difference in sound is minimal. Few audiophile visitors leave without envy. And the system looks great.There really is no need to have to live with $30,000 monkey coffins. |
Lou, just put on the record then stifle-it, meathead! |
George Orwell newspeak?
I also want to be an hermit..... :) |
Everything is sexist. Breathing is sexist. A girlfriend woke me up in the middle of the night saying I was breathing "funny" like a man. I guess she woke me. Does that make me a woke man? Does that make her a sexist? Can I say man? I am a woke masculine.
Realistically, I’d prefer being sexy or her, sorry feminine, to be sexy.
My Christian name is Guy. Well that’s a sexist name. Am I supposed to change my name now?
George Orwell newspeak?
When I was a young lad I could never understand why someone would want to be a hermit or a recluse?
I’m swallowing the red pill.
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The term WAF has been around forever or at least since All in the Family has been on tv. Only in this current woke world of pc, 56 genders and General confusion of everyday existence are we questioning now is WAF a sexist term.
But since I mention All in the Family, could you imagine if Archie was an audiophile and had to deal with WAF issues in his living room? What kind of gear would he own?
I'm picturing Archie with a pair of Maggies, that’s why he’s so insistent of being in his own chair.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but the idea of Archie as an audiophile seems far more interesting and fun to discuss than if the term WAF is a sexist term. I’m woke enough, thanks!
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Believe our addictive hobby is primarily male dominated. Without being able to think, it is more easy to cancel reality, and spell it in another way... But ideological parrots are always parrots, the word "ideological" cannot mask the unending void of an absent thinking in an absent reality.... Alas! We now live in the world of political biology with a mathematical algorithmical" soul"... «Calculus in itself dont need reality»-Groucho Marx |
This must be the most ridiculous post on this forum. The GON now means gone as in gone to the loony bin.
WAF simply means respecting his/her viewpoint and skills re: nesting. It's not that complicated. |
