How does that explain directionality?
Directionality Explained
I have read it argued against by those who think they know
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Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
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Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
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Listen guys, one thing that will save us all a lot of time, we are willing for the sake of argument to concede anyone can post anything at any time, relevance not required, jokes don't even have to be funny. So you can all stop proving it. Any time. Please. Thanks. Also reading comprehension, obviously not required. Certainly not evident. "While wire directionality is not fully understood, it is clear that because of the wire casting process the internal grain structure of the conductor has a slight chevron shape, and this physical difference is consistent with which direction the wire sounds better." So there. |
We have cheap 192kHz / 32 bit analog to digital converters and terabyte drives available which would allow any idea of conditionality to be examined and compared. If there was any, and I mean any, bit of difference in cable direction we would be able to measure it. The exception to this, of course, is shielded cables whose shield should be connected at the source. It has nothing to do with conductor direction as much as noise reduction though. Best, E |
Oh man let the crap start flyin’. Just couldn’t let it go... This is better than eatin’ bugs. I’ll go feed the chickens, it just makes more sense.. Come back, read. Get up off the floor, and turn my cables backwards, just to make sure, it wasn’t a stroke, I was having.. Turn the cables back around. Magic, Strokes all gone. Must have just been Bell’s palsy, or I just took to big a hit, dude! Damn chicken Shit all over my shoes.. What I get for wearing shoes, right? Should have been between my..... get my drift... Must have gone the wrong direction, yuk,yuk Direction matters one way there is shit, one way there’s not.. In this case, shit both direction.. Lord Love a Duck, as my father use to say... I think it was a WWII thing the Duck.. Sign Sign, everywheres a sign. Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the, S I G N? It is a song right? ---------> matter Oh I brought a goat home. The only thing the chickens have to worry about is staying ahead of the goat, great lawn mowers. But the chickens never go backward, goat food...maybe...Direction matters...LOL Regards |
I remember seeing photos of that chevron shape deformity in copper wires long ago but cannot locate them. However, there is this: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/245161371_Prediction_of_chevron_crack_initiation_in_inclusion_copper_shaped-wire_drawing It seems the chevrons are a result of the wire being pulled through the die and are a deformity. All the best, Nonoise |
Most degreed engineers I know that work in electronics, are electrical engineers, and refer to themselves as electrical engineers or electrical and electronics engineers. Degreed electrical/electronics engineers would also be well aware of transmission line effects in cables, and most with any experience would be quite aware of bulk circuit effects which would occur in anything that is not symmetrical in nature. They could probably even come up with a few more reasons for directionality. I can’t help but question your "engineering" qualifications based on your statement. A degreed and working engineer, work not consider the article you link to be an explanation or proof at all. They would just view it as marketing blurb. Of course, a degreed electrical/electronics engineer with any experience would be able to quantify, at least to an order or two in magnitude, the effects of these directional properties of cables at audio frequencies, at which point they would conclude directional effects, which are a given in virtual anything not perfectly symmetrical that carries current, would not be remotely audible, and hence are not truly "directional" in an audio sense. As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. |
heaudio123 Most degreed engineers I know that work in electronics, are electrical engineers, and refer to themselves as electrical engineers or electrical and electronics engineers. Degreed electrical/electronics engineers would also be well aware of transmission line effects in cables, and most with any experience would be quite aware of bulk circuit effects which would occur in anything that is not symmetrical in nature. They could probably even come up with a few more reasons for directionality. I can’t help but question your "engineering" qualifications based on your statement. A degreed and working engineer, work (sic) not consider the article you link to be an explanation or proof at all. They would just view it as marketing blurb. >>>>You know some degreed engineers who work in electronics? Lots of laughs! Give us a break! That is the perfect example of a logical fallacy - Appeal to Authority, favored by pseudo skeptics the world over who try to win technical arguments by quoting an engineer “buddy“ or famous expert. You might as well quote Einstein or Maxwell or Toole. Better luck next time! But kudos on your writing skills. An English major, one presumes, yes? 😀 Appeal to Authority “When writers or speakers use Appeal to Authority they are claiming that something must be true because it is believed by someone who said to be an "authority" on the subject. Whether the person is actually an authority or not, the logic is unsound. Instead of presenting actual evidence, the argument just relies on the credibility of the "authority."“ |
geoffkait, when someone is blinded by a dogmatic need to behave in a certain way, then will often read into a situation what they want to read or and unfortunately that interferes with their comprehension and objectivity. I didn't use a call to authority. I pointed out the skill set that would be expected of a degreed working electrical engineer. Pointing out a skill set is not a call to authority. Next I pointed out that a person with those qualifications would a) not make certain statements, b) have the skills to analyze a certain situation and c) not consider marketing fluff proof or evidence. Someone who is not being dogmatic would understand that is not a call to authority. |
heaudio123 geoffkait, when someone is blinded by a dogmatic need to behave in a certain way, then will often read into a situation what they want to read or and unfortunately that interferes with their comprehension and objectivity. >>>>Exactly! You understand yourself better than I thought. |
@Millercarbon: First of all, wire is NOT “cast”; it’s drawn through a series of tungsten carbide or synthetic diamond dies, and annealed in a furnace under inert atmosphere every several passes to remove the work hardening from the drawing process. Second, unless you are passing straight DC current; musical signals should be thought of as a mix of sign waves of many frequencies and amplitudes. Signal analyzers use a processing chip that does FFT (fast Fourier transformation) to reduce the musical signal to its component sign waves. |
I am quite certainly that anyone with 21,901 posts cannot call anyone else a stalker, though you appear to be attracted to my posts like a fly to flypaper. Buzz buzz buzz. p.s. the HE does not stand for High End, but the E may stand for Electroacoustic. I don’t think you will ever guess what the H stands for. geoffkait21,901 posts05-19-2020 6:24amheaudio, I’m oft struck by how full of pith you are. I like your moniker though, it’s so uh, authoritative sounding. Begone, stalker! |
Or a never ending loop for someone with the initials GK. nonoise5,947 posts05-19-2020 1:23pmI don’t think you will ever guess what the H stands for.That’s an open ended request for abuse. |
Good grief! All of you flat earthers... just try it without condemnation. Ignorant is easy. Here are a couple of other heresies: Firewire cables - reverse them and see what sounds the best IEC C7 cables into gear - try inverting the cable into your gear to hear any differences. This particularly important when using a Mac mini as a source... not subtle. Just sayin’. Before you belittle others do some easy homework. Or, you can just copy from others and learn nuthin’. |
...when the 'pop-up' ads @ the bottom of a page show this... http://www.rfengineers.com/watch-dog.html ...and previously, an ad for cattle feed....rather well presented, but obviously for bovines.....definitely not Purina Cow Chow (which does exist)..... I'm going to bed....I have a dog already, and she's not a receiver...or a retriever....(Plott hound/Pitt bull mix)....nor an 'audio accessory' of questionable value 'here'.. That's just....weird....mho.... |