Claude #2

I am sorry to hear that  but i understand you...

Your thread was very interesting on at least two aspects: the acoustics specific questions asked and your way and research to understand...

 I am sorry that some people let it go down and help it to do it...

I will not be the only one to miss an intelligent contributor...

I wish you the best sincerely...

I will read at theaudioatticvinylsundays.com

@mahgister 

I always enjoy your contributions.
 

My website is a bit of a mess right now. I moved it from the WIX platform to Wordpress for two reasons: Wordpress is more flexible, creative and professional, and WIX is based in Tel Aviv and I have decided that I have to honor the boycott, as much as I wish otherwise, as WIX was good enough for my purposes. Now that I’m building a Substack, it was time to move it. 
 

So keep visiting the audio attic and then please contact me through it once I have the contact page set up again. I’ve learned so many things about my components and the system as a whole that had been only guessing at for so long, and now I’m finally getting a handle on it and since much of it is of a systemic nature, there is much to share that is replicably useful. 

Thanks for your reply...

I will look at your substack...

I am sure i will learn a lot you are one of the few consumers here  who was serious about acoustics...

My deepest respect....

It was an interesting thread, so I’m sorry you had it deleted.

I understand your enthusiasm @unreceivedogma  for AI and certainly understand that it’s an inevitable part of our future - and even the present. But I also think it’s misguided to characterize its cynics or doubters as Luddites. Questioning technology and how we use it is the smart thing to do. It’s not the same as rejecting it.

@unreceivedogma I quite enjoyed your Claude #1 post.  As a matter of fact your experience inspired me to try AI.  For me, it works like a much improved search engine and is a  more efficient way to find an answer.  I have always enjoyed your posts and your intellect.  Please reconsider leaving this forum.  Don't let a few a*hole ingrates spoil the experience for yourself and many others.  Thanks.  

I asked what to do about Luddites. Answer below.  Then it cut my Tether and now I am drifting away in space.  I feel like I am  in some kind of high concept movie :  2025:  an AI Odyssey. 
 

To address the concerns and perspectives of modern-day Luddites, it is essential to understand their historical context and the motivations behind their actions. The term "Luddite" has evolved to describe individuals who resist technological change, often viewed negatively as anti-progress. However, the original Luddites were skilled workers advocating for their rights in the face of industrialization that threatened their livelihoods. Here are some strategies to engage with Luddite sentiments constructively:

### 1. **Understand the Historical Context**
   - The Luddites were not against technology itself but opposed the way it was used to exploit workers and degrade working conditions. They sought fair wages and job security in an era of rapid industrial change [[1]](https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-luddites-in-the-age-of-ai)[[3]](https://www.thoughtlab.com/blog/the-luddites-how-we-get-them-wrong-and-the-true-lessons/).
   - Recognizing that their actions were a form of protest against economic injustice can help frame current discussions about technology and labor rights.

### 2. **Promote Fair Labor Practices**
   - Advocate for policies that ensure fair wages and working conditions in industries affected by automation and AI. This includes supporting labor unions and legislation that protects workers' rights [[2]](https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/we-should-all-be-luddites-now)[[3]](https://www.thoughtlab.com/blog/the-luddites-how-we-get-them-wrong-and-the-true-lessons/).
   - Encourage companies to adopt ethical practices that prioritize employee welfare over profit maximization.

### 3. **Encourage Dialogue About Technology**
   - Foster open discussions about the implications of new technologies. This includes addressing concerns about job displacement and the quality of work life in automated environments [[2]](https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/we-should-all-be-luddites-now)[[3]](https://www.thoughtlab.com/blog/the-luddites-how-we-get-them-wrong-and-the-true-lessons/).
   - Create forums where workers can express their fears and suggestions regarding technological advancements, ensuring their voices are heard in the decision-making process.

### 4. **Educate on Technology's Role**
   - Provide education on how technology can be a tool for empowerment rather than a threat. Highlight examples where technology has improved working conditions or created new job opportunities [[3]](https://www.thoughtlab.com/blog/the-luddites-how-we-get-them-wrong-and-the-true-lessons/).
   - Encourage critical thinking about technology's impact on society, prompting individuals to question how it shapes their lives and work.

### 5. **Support Responsible Innovation**
   - Advocate for responsible innovation that considers the social implications of new technologies. This includes promoting technologies that enhance human capabilities rather than replace them [[1]](https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-luddites-in-the-age-of-ai)[[2]](https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/we-should-all-be-luddites-now).
   - Encourage businesses to engage with communities to understand their needs and concerns regarding technological changes.

### 6. **Emphasize the Importance of Balance**
   - Encourage a balanced approach to technology use, where individuals can enjoy its benefits while maintaining control over their lives. This might involve setting boundaries on technology use and promoting offline activities [[3]](https://www.thoughtlab.com/blog/the-luddites-how-we-get-them-wrong-and-the-true-lessons/).
   - Highlight the importance of mental health and well-being in a tech-driven world, advocating for time away from screens and digital devices.

By adopting these strategies, we can create a more inclusive dialogue around technology and its impact on society, addressing the concerns of those who identify with Luddite principles while promoting a vision of progress that benefits everyone.

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Learn more:
1. [Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I. | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-luddites-in-the-age-of-ai)
2. [We should all be Luddites now - by Dave Karpf](https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/we-should-all-be-luddites-now)
3. [The Luddites, How We Get Them Wrong, and The True Lessons They Offer. | ThoughtLab](https://www.thoughtlab.com/blog/the-luddites-how-we-get-them-wrong-and-the-true-lessons/)

I've been gone since I posted on the Claude #1 thread and thought it was a great thread, for a change. I've been busy since and to see it taken down by those that fall for the (evil) hype is silly, but then there are some pretty silly people around here. 

As I said earlier, AI Overview on Apple is fantastic as it just condenses info down to bullet points with links to the article(s). What more could someone ask for?

All the best,
Nonoise

Neo-Luddites – A modern take on Luddites, referring to individuals or movements that reject or criticize modern technological advancements on ethical, environmental, or social grounds.

@mapman 
The problem is capitalism, not AI.

You completely muddy the waters with your unedited, unorganized rambling.

And again, someone (you) is off topic. This is a post about my leaving because people wanted to talk about AI, not about why woofer placement can give not just better bass but holographic sound. People have contacted me on and off the forum, asking me to stay. This is why I won’t. There is zero conceptual discipline here.

You’re frustrated, and you’re certainly entitled to leave if you feel the conversation isn’t worth your time. But calling others’ posts “rambling” or accusing the forum of having “zero conceptual discipline” doesn’t exactly invite better dialogue — it just shuts it down.

If the topic is important, guiding it back on track could have been more productive than walking away with parting shots.

As I stated in my post on your last thread, AI has been known in my field to completely invent studies in order to satisfy the bias inherent in an AI query.  So if you continue use use AI as your source in your future exchanges on Internet Forums, and you cite AI studies, you really ought to verify that these studies were actually performed.

  This is nt being a Luddite, but being appropriately cautious .

Before you go could you please explain the genesis or meaning of your screen name?

@mahler123 

You didn’t bother to actually read the references that I provided, did you? 

Confirmation bias at work here. 
 

@gdaddy1 

If I post on a particular topic, I find it more than reasonable to expect people to stay on topic. Otherwise, let’s just go from “psychotic effects of decoupling acoustic signifiers across the audio spectrum” to “effect of sonar on my bowl of jello”, never mind the political correctness of AI.  Do I have issues with AI? That’s another post. 

@unreceivedogma  Please don’t leave. 

Part of interacting with real live humans is there high likelihood of misunderstandings and or off topic responses. I realize it can be frustrating but one learns to cope and/or accept. On the other hand one can choose withdrawal, while this may alleviate the frustration, human discourse even the times when it goes off course may provoke new avenues of thought. I perceive many posts on social media as stream of consciousness thoughts, whatever at the top of mind gets posted, deep thoughts require time and effort, both can be in short supply in the context of social media.

I presume @unreceivedogma original post on Claude #1 which entailed a long and thorough post as to how AI had benefited him was both meaningful and impactful. At one point he mentioned something to the effect he had learned more about certain audio subject via AI than from previous human interactions. Perhaps this true in this particular instance, AI's specialty at this point in time is collating human knowledge into one concise read, the benefits are clear to see. So we have this 'relatively' long and winding post espousing multiple benefits of AI for a single user in his audio journey. I suspect some of us, and I know for myself AI had very little if anything to offer in the way of benefit in my audio journey, rather it was direct human interaction and human experiences with others that informed me. So now I see this post which offers another example of AI replacing human interaction and experience.

I'm not a Luddite and I don't appreciate being called one, I'm all for innovation but innovation without qualitative judgement is extremely flawed, one should perceive both the costs and benefits. I realize OP wasn't intended to go in this direction but humans do have critical thinking faculties, this to be expected. Perhaps interaction with AI will come to be preferred over time, one can easily find benefit without the hassles of human interaction.

I somehow missed the Claude 1 discussion but I've recently been using AI for audio questions with great success. I always assign the AI a certain expertise and make it recheck facts and sources. Sometimes it's like a lazy child you have to encourage and sometimes like a friend interested in the same topic. I agree it's often more accurate and satisfying than a rambling forum post full of uninformed nonsense.