CLASS D MONO AMPS buy ATMASPHERE MUSIC SYSTEMS


CLASS D AMPLIFIER TECHNOLOGY HAS FINALLY ARRIVED TO OUTPERFORM ALL OTHER TOPOLOGIES 

The Amplifier is the New Class D Mono Amps using GaN Fets in a unique Patented
Circlotronic output stage…Design by Ralph Karsten of ATMASPHERE MUSIC SYSTEMS 

Rated at 100 watts 8 ohms and 200 watts 4 ohms with low distortion across the full audio bandwidth with excellent noise characteristics 

I have been using ATMASPHERE MUSIC SYSTEMS MA-1 3.0 with all factory upgrades along with NOS 6NS7 Input Tubes for many years 

The New ATMASPHERE MUSIC SYSTEMS CLASS D has outperformed my MA-1 3.0 in all areas…the resolution and transparency are simply an Amazing Accomplishment

Also I sold my MP-3 mk 3.0 and purchased the New MP-3 mk3.3

In my Audio opinion I believe the ATMASPHERE MUSIC SYSTEMS CLASS D MONO AMPS used with the MP-3 mk3.3 will offer one of the most transparent sounding electronics combinations to date…only using the MP-1 mk3.3 will offer more performance 

I have used other High End Amplifiers in my system and the ATMASPHERE MUSIC SYSTEMS CLASS D MONO AMPS outperformed all of them as well

Music Lover…Audiophile…Retired Audio/Video Engineer over 45 years 

Thanks for Reading 

TubeGuy 45

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Switching Speed is the juice

Possibly but this atmosphere class d GaN amp actually has a lower switch frequency than most mosfet class d amps on the market, so I find this comment irrelevant to this discussion. And, other than a Technics GaN amp that came out over a year ago, none of the present GaN based class d amps have a switching frequency materially higher than most mosfet class d amps on the market. So, a claimed major benefit of GaN technology for class d amps, a higher switching frequency, is in fact not even being exploited.

 

 

The photo posted by dill looks just like the Atmasphere class d amps at the Florida Audio Expo in the Unique Audio room. 
 

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=180725.new#new

I am confident that Ralph's GaN amps will be/are awesome.

I just wrote this on another thread: FWIW: My experience with class D goes back to PS audio GCC 250, which I still use in my video system, but in my 2 channel audio Ive had several W4S, Emerald Physics 100.2SEs, Audio Alchemy DPA-1 (excellent sound but I need a lot power in my room), PSA M700s (also soundd nice), EVS 1200 which I raved about for a year UNTIL it was replaced with a LSA Voyager 350 GaN amp. The Voyager is ~ half the power of the EVS, and yet sounds twice as room filling. From this experience IMO, GaN is so superior (at lease when done right) to conventional class D that it SHOULD have a separate designation. Switching Speed is the juice

Systems-of-systems-of-systems is a perspective challenge.  

I suspect few, if any, have measured the noise floor on the neutral at their home or work site. Particularly, over multiple-time studies of more than 1 year. 

There is much more worth learning about from DOE, ESRI, NRCC, IEEE (e.g. Greenbook) and the AFRLs have much more to offer. 

Caeteris Paribus is deflective, at best.  Quixotic still.   

Between the GPR/EPR and then the neutral floor noise rise, the advance of the NIST-F2 clock integration, RF energy harvesting & distribution, more consumer DC appliances, EV charging stations...bucolic reminiscence will only provide more melancholy than fidelity.  

 

  

“Class D is about the needs for addressing increasing demand on our collective electrical supply. Not just quantity but, quality(s) and reliability, too.”

LED lighting has had a massive impact on power consumption in the USA. I recall seeing a graph maybe 2-3 years ago that illustrated how LED lighting had changed the relationship between economic growth and energy consumption. E.g. for the first time in history electrical consumption did not track economic growth. 

Class D is about the needs for addressing increasing demand on our collective electrical supply. Not just quantity but, quality(s) and reliability, too.

This statement appears false. Class D offers the possibility of using loop negative feedback in a way that was previously not possible due to stability concerns.

Legacy solid state and tube designs lack the Gain Bandwidth Product needed to support very high amounts of feedback. This causes the amplifier to have increasing distortion with frequency, resulting in harshness and brightness since the ear assigns tonality to distortion.

In addition the prior art has issues with phase margins in the design. Adding too much feedback can cause oscillation. For these reasons feedback has gotten a bad reputation with music lovers.

Class D offers a way around those problems.

Last then there is the TCO (total cost of ownership).  Is this approach really a sustainable business model?  Is blending Tubes & GaFNET, Helper Circuits & Class D just greater uncertainty (Heisenberg/Schrödinger)?

'Apparently.' for the first. Your so-called 'Helper circuits' are class D modules so do not warrant a separate classification; the Ghent stuff uses Icepower modules so isn't a thing.  So winnowing out that bit of confusion, the answer then becomes 'no'.

Glad for your sharing of a happy 'find' experience.  Not sure if you're 'selling' or 'telling' though.

As one the members in your audience, there are some of who would prefer a 'live' performance over a recording. Price is the only measure surrounded by many superlatives. 

As one who prioritizes live performance over reproductions- the discretionary spending budget has different elasticity/inelasticity curves.  Compelling value proposition seems absent.  

Aren't reproductions nothing more than an aggregation of layers of artifacts?  

If the desired outcome is constrained to the conditioning of one's listening habits seems to there is a departure from fidelity of the original performance work to the recording/production engineers biases and preferences.    

Class D is about the needs for addressing increasing demand on our collective electrical supply. Not just quantity but, quality(s) and reliability, too.

The OTL certainly is one.

The GaNFET is certainly needed over the material limits of Si.  

Helper Circuits (e.g. Purifi/Hypex/Ghent..) are of materially benefitting, too.  

All these components require emerging test devices and measures to address integration.  Increasing needs for ever smaller precision approaching the smallest theoretical period of time. Only in 2014 we just deployed NIST F2 clock. On our way to Planck's length, or just 0.5 x 10-43 seconds.

Does the listening habits/training from live settings dissipating during audiences' quarantine & isolation? Is a consequence of performance-based fidelity displacing  the original performances work's lost if our venues are increasingly constrained to recording engineers biases and preferences?

Last then there is the TCO (total cost of ownership).  Is this approach really a sustainable business model?  Is blending Tubes & GaFNET, Helper Circuits & Class D just greater uncertainty (Heisenberg/Schrödinger)?

If you have had experience With Atma-Sphere Amplifiers and pre-amps (I have owned every single unit) you will know anything that comes out off Ralph Little Lab is going to sound bigger and better than anything else on the market at the same price level and few times more. Its hard to beat his stuff at his pricing level.

 

Iv had amplifiers and Pre-amps costing 2 or 3 Times more and i still went back to his gear.

 

His Design may well not be everyones cup of tea, that is obvious as he tends to lean to Retro looking stuff. However if it comes down to Pure Sonic well those who have experience in comparing Atma to uber level stuff will know!

 

Iv owned every Amplifier from Ralph Except the MA-3 which is not practical for my needs.

From S30, M60, MA-1, MA-1 and the Nirvana

I own his MP-3 and MP-1 and the UV1

 

I have no doubt about this New Class D tech his working on!

it should be a concern for all the rest of the companies that are in the Class D Segment. Some of those companies are charging silly prices for bling boxes.

 

Look at Merrill audio they started off reasonable .

now because they decided to use the latest in digital they go Waaay over 

priced by making a fancy cabinet at 10 x the mark up , a truly good engineeer 

Will offer Amps preamp $5-$10 k.  That shows skills  .

the vast majority of Audiophiles cannot even afford  $10k 

amplifiers never mind like Merrill $30k units .  Think on being practical it’s a hobby to enjoy not a mortgage !!

 

Not sure they even started off  "reasonable". There first product, based on the nc1200 by Hypex was around $10K as I recall. You can get a nc1200 based amp these days for less than $2000.

I don't believe Merrill has published much at all by way of measurements for the new $30,000 amp. I have no doubt the Purifi based amps, at around 1/30 the price perform at least as well if not better, but they don't come in a shiny case.

Look at Merrill audio they started off reasonable .

now because they decided to use the latest in digital they go Waaay over 

priced by making a fancy cabinet at 10 x the mark up , a truly good engineeer 

Will offer Amps preamp $5-$10 k.  That shows skills  .

the vast majority of Audiophiles cannot even afford  $10k 

amplifiers never mind like Merrill $30k units .  Think on being practical it’s a hobby to enjoy not a mortgage !!

 I'm asking because I wonder if these 100 watt class D monos have enough testicular fortitude to drive <89 dB efficient speakers with grunt and authority. I would completely understand if you chose not to answer the above question ;)

Generally speaking I'm not a fan of low efficiency and hard to drive speakers. This is simply because the harder you make any amplifier work for a living, the higher the distortion, and with that distortion comes a less relaxed presentation (due to the generation of higher ordered harmonics) and less detail (since distortion obscures detail).

89dB is borderline low efficiency. A lot depends on the room and your listening habits as to whether 100 Watts is enough power or not. The speakers in my bedroom system are about 90dB and I play them with an amp that only make 5 Watts with power to spare, no worries. You have to take the room into account.

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@atmasphere Any plans to develop a higher power version of these amps, or a stereo ~350 wpc doubling into 4 ohms class D (similar to bel canto black ex) with the same sonic profile as your new monos?  I'm asking because I wonder if these 100 watt class D monos have enough testicular fortitude to drive <89 dB efficient speakers with grunt and authority. I would completely understand if you chose not to answer the above question ;)

Ralph, is your design a module like most of the others?

It is a module; because of noise concerns that's really the best way to do it.

@atmasphere...Ralph, is your design a module like most of the others?  I ask because I would assume the money would be in selling that module to others?

 

Wonder how much B&O has made off of their ICE modules?

Would the dead time be more like, or analogous to, crossover distortion, slew rate distortion, or neither?

Neither. At least in our design, its responsible for lower ordered harmonics. We can see that there is a cubic non-linearity, as (like our tube amps) the 3rd harmonic (treated by the ear the same as the 2nd) is the dominant distortion product.

 

 

Class D outperforming tubes is nothing new. It happens! Has happened for a number of years. It all depends....   Class D stopped me from going to tubes over 10 years ago.    Smart of @atmasphere to open some new horizons when he felt the time was right!

I am in Baltimore/DC metro area. Looking forward to an opportunity to hear these. Have heard Atmasphere OTLs many times in the past at Capital Audiofest. Maybe next one but hopefully sooner.

In a nutshell, reduced distortion and less heat than MOSFETs

I guess we will have to wait for your distortion plots to determine if your amp measures less than the ncore or purifi amp, which is already far below audibility. As for less heat, that seems like a small advantage, if any, at best, which you have noted. Personally, I don't really see a compelling case for GaN at this juncture.

Here is the opinion of the Purifi team as discussed in an interview:

Bruno: Well, with the sort of audio performance we’re getting I’d say that we’re asymptotically approaching “perfect”. One could argue that we passed the point of diminishing returns a few years ago already. I’m not saying that a next step won’t have any audible benefits, but in the grander scheme of things, the margin is shrinking.

 

Lars: That’s if you stick to audio performance alone. Otherwise we wouldn’t have bothered going to class D to begin with. You don’t do that for audio quality. You do that to get better efficiency, make the amp smaller and yadda. And then you get a new set of problems to fix, such as what it sounds like. And then there’s reliability, manufacturability and so on. I wouldn’t say that GaN is going to be the answer to those things, and neither is upping the switching frequency.

 

Bruno:  Well for a given efficiency you could probably increase the switching rate, but if I’m going to shell out as much for a pair of FETs as what you’d normally pay for the whole amp, I’d rather benefit from that in terms of higher efficiency. Of course, not everyone is able to make that choice. I’ve spent my career honing control loops, most audio designers haven’t and so have to rely on simpler control loops. In that case, increasing the switching frequency is definitely helpful to reduce distortion.

 

Lars:  We’re as fanatic about audio quality as anyone else, but because we’ve got feedback down to a T now we’re not forced to resort to higher switching frequencies.

 

Bruno:  If we need to be geeky and I guess that the folks who are going to read this interview can handle that -eh Thomas?- lets grab the specs for the FET in our 400W Eigentakt module and its closest GaN equivalent. So that’s the FDP42AN15A0 (OnSemi) on our left and the EPC2033 on our right. Rdson: 36mOhm vs 7mOhm. Clear win for GaN here. 

 

Lars:  It’s also got a higher current rating (24A vs 48A) so if we want to be fair we should be scaling by about 2:1

 

Bruno: Oh erm well, that’s still a minor win for GaN because after scaling it’d come up at 14mOhm. Gate charge is of course magnificently low (30nC vs 6nC after scaling) so driver losses would be low and you can turn them on fast. GaN also has zero Qrr so you can do that if you want. But the main thing that sticks in my throat here is output capacitance. Our good old FDP42, which is from 2002 mind you, has an output capacitance at 100V of 70pF whereas the EPC device puts in a whopping half nanofarad (or 250 puff after scaling). That means your idle losses will go up, or you will have to increase dead time to allow the output inductor to recover the extra stored energy at its leisure. And isn’t it just idle losses that more or less determine real-life power consumption in full? And if power consumption isn’t something to care about, why not just stick with class A…?

 

Lars:  And high dead time combined with high switching frequency sounds even less attractive. That just increases open-loop distortion.

 

Bruno:  In applications like motor controllers and high density SMPS GaN and SiC devices are a breakthrough, mind you. It’s just that audio is this weird application where average power is very low and where dead time actually affects performance.

 

Lars:  And GaN is going to mature so this picture is bound to shift at some point. Just not now.

 

Bruno: True. On the other hand, silicon is doing the same. More recent devices are getting frightfully close to GaN. Sadly they only come in SMD packages that require fairly expensive methods to get the heat out. Like most GaN devices. It looks terribly ancient, but the good old TO220 package is still a neat compromise in terms of performance for the price.

 

Lars:  It’s just a game of tradeoffs. The fact that we’re using normal parts, and the reason why we chose to do so doesn’t make for a sexy story. We all like to believe in a magic bullet but when you’re an engineer you have to make choices based on tangible grounds. So the sexy story we’re trying to push about Eigentakt is that we think it’s a bloody clever design.

Would the dead time be more like, or analogous to, crossover distortion, slew rate distortion, or neither?

At only 500Khz, what is the advantage of using GaN?

@kuribo 

In a nutshell, reduced distortion and less heat than MOSFETs, not like that's much of a thing. The faster speed of GaNFETs requires less deadtime, which has to be increased at higher switching frequencies (when we first started doing this, I thought the deadtime would be constant regardless of the switching frequency and learned otherwise; either way deadtime becomes a greater distortion influence as you increase the switching frequency).

 

From AS.

Not surprisingly, with this much power on tap in a standard-sized chassis, DragoN is a hybrid tube/Class D design. However, the rogues at Rogue emphasize that it’s not “simply a tube circuit placed in front of a Class D output section.” They describe their proprietary “tubeD” circuit topology as one that integrates the tube section (a pair of 12AU7 tubes) into the amplifier’s output stage. Additionally, three massive linear power supplies built around large, high-performance toroidal transformers power the amplifier circuitry, and top-shelf parts mounted on a heavy (two-ounce) copper circuit board are used exclusively throughout.

@twoleftears

"If anybody could get both amps in the same room at the same time, then they would really have my attention."

Indeed!

I would also add the LSA Voyager 350 @ 3+ times the wattage but has an MSRP of $3000, though usually available for $2500

When you wrote this  "GaN is state of the art--and not the generic stuff being put out by Peachtree and LSA."  were you referring to LSA/Peachtree's NON GaN products, but not their GaN products?

 

@jerryg123 I seem to remember reading somewhere that the tubes in the Rogue Dragon were not in its input stage.  Can anybody confirm?

@twoleftears As regards proprietary modules, power output, and price, the two products are directly comparable.  The fact that one is housed in two cases is secondary.  The Audions are nice but not only considerably more expensive but also less powerful than the Tempo di Gan.  My proposed comparison seems to me to offer the levelest of playing fields.

This is impeccable logic, and I agree, thankyou.  Ralph is much more forthcoming about certain design features than AGD bloke.  This is important to those of us who are curious, bearing in mind the words of @cal3713 ,above, which I concur with.

The frequency response is load invariant within 1/10db from 20-20KHz, with 0 degrees phase shift at 20Hz and less than 1 degree at 20KHz. The invariance due to the output impedance being a few milliOhms, the low phase shift due to the feedback value, which allows the amp to correct for phase shift at the bandwidth extremes.

THD from 20Hz- 20KHz  is < 0.1% at full power (200 W into 4 Ohms) and about 0.005% at 1 watt. We think it might be lower but finding a decent filter to knock out the residual has been tricky during the pandemic. We  found one about a week ago and are interested to see how things differ once its integrated into our test setup. The distortion is lower into 16 Ohms.

The switching frequency is just shy of 500KHz, depending on load. The input is entirely direct-coupled.

The filter I mentioned is an Audio Precision device and is used to knock out the residual to prevent it messing with the distortion analysis. If I got this right its 8th order(!) and puts the residual down about 60dB... This is why we've not posted any more distortion data since the residual throws the readings off.

I understand amp pretty at the freshman college level. And I appreciate the new designs and designers bringing new stuff to market.

But I really appreciate venerable designers, like yourself, bringing their expertise to bear on these things.

[/scratching the chin(s) and watching]

An Intergrated Class D Amp with Tube Pre-section would be a good idea??

 

Not in my opinion. The benefits of class d done right are neutrality, low power consumption, cool running, etc. which is sort of the antithesis of tubes. Kind of like ordering a diet coke with your two big macs.

This Kuribo is the same person that was going off on Ric for mods to the LSA Voyger.

He is here to argue and he is not buying anything.

 

I guess Kuribo will have no more to say on this thread

 

no more to say to you anyway.

I guess Kuribo will have no more to say on this thread because this design is not as good as Purifi (according to him).....so

Now we can get back to the actual reality of .....How does it sound? Will be interesting to get the feedback from more listeners when these amps are produced in more quantity and compared to other amps besides older OTLs. So far, we have two raves. Enjoying the ride....I hope you are too!

I was a scientist and for a long-time I had myself convinced that I could find better equipment by knowing more facts about the gear I might buy. And sure, I still think some audio facts can be a useful guide. At some point, however, you’ve just got to kick the tires and see how it sings.

Glad to see some people are loving the new amps Ralph.  Congrats.

 

@kuribo No. Purifi is last year's news, even if he is now working on a higher powered module, and Hypex... well.  GaN is state of the art--and not the generic stuff being put out by Peachtree and LSA.

Until bettered, ncore and purifi are still the peak of class d design and performance.

GaN is a state of the art device but has yet to be implemented in a class d amp in a way that improves upon what has been already done by ncore and purifi using mosfets. Maybe some day, but not yet.

The frequency response is load invariant within 1/10db from 20-20KHz, with 0 degrees phase shift at 20Hz and less than 1 degree at 20KHz. The invariance due to the output impedance being a few milliOhms, the low phase shift due to the feedback value, which allows the amp to correct for phase shift at the bandwidth extremes.

THD from 20Hz- 20KHz  is < 0.1% at full power (200 W into 4 Ohms) and about 0.005% at 1 watt. We think it might be lower but finding a decent filter to knock out the residual has been tricky during the pandemic. We  found one about a week ago and are interested to see how things differ once its integrated into our test setup. The distortion is lower into 16 Ohms.

The switching frequency is just shy of 500KHz, depending on load. The input is entirely direct-coupled.

The filter I mentioned is an Audio Precision device and is used to knock out the residual to prevent it messing with the distortion analysis. If I got this right its 8th order(!) and puts the residual down about 60dB... This is why we've not posted any more distortion data since the residual throws the readings off.

 

I look forward to plots once you get your filter worked out.

At only 500Khz, what is the advantage of using GaN? None of your specs appear to be anything not already achieved or bettered by amps using good old fashioned mosfets.

Thanks for the info.

@kuribo No. Purifi is last year's news, even if he is now working on a higher powered module, and Hypex... well.  GaN is state of the art--and not the generic stuff being put out by Peachtree and LSA.

And @noske, I disagree and would maintain my point.  As regards proprietary modules, power output, and price, the two products are directly comparable.  The fact that one is housed in two cases is secondary.  The Audions are nice but not only considerably more expensive but also less powerful than the Tempo di Gan.  My proposed comparison seems to me to offer the levelest of playing fields.

There are many sources of distortion in class d amps, not only those you have mentioned, but also in the output filter. Do you use post filter feedback?

Yes.

Please share some measurements of the frequency response with load, THD+N with power and frequency, FFT's and IM. Also, can you share the switching frequency used? Lots of claims made here (not all by you) so it would be enlightening to see a more complete picture of how this amp performs in actuality, not how it sounds to those who haven’t heard it yet.

The frequency response is load invariant within 1/10db from 20-20KHz, with 0 degrees phase shift at 20Hz and less than 1 degree at 20KHz. The invariance due to the output impedance being a few milliOhms, the low phase shift due to the feedback value, which allows the amp to correct for phase shift at the bandwidth extremes.

THD from 20Hz- 20KHz  is < 0.1% at full power (200 W into 4 Ohms) and about 0.005% at 1 watt. We think it might be lower but finding a decent filter to knock out the residual has been tricky during the pandemic. We  found one about a week ago and are interested to see how things differ once its integrated into our test setup. The distortion is lower into 16 Ohms.

The switching frequency is just shy of 500KHz, depending on load. The input is entirely direct-coupled.

The filter I mentioned is an Audio Precision device and is used to knock out the residual to prevent it messing with the distortion analysis. If I got this right its 8th order(!) and puts the residual down about 60dB... This is why we've not posted any more distortion data since the residual throws the readings off.

 

 

 

Here are the facts that Kuribo/ASR miss.

Not a single fact, just more guru babbling not worthy of further consideration or comment.

But Ralph specifically says that his amp does have 2nd and 3rd harmonics at some level..

If I’m interested in buying a car that is grey, I don’t even think to bother the dude who is selling a red car for details about it. That’s just me. I can’t speak for we.

But if I did wish to ask about why the red car is so much better than a dull grey car, I would do so politely and with due respect for the red’s superiority.

"At some level"

What does that mean exactly? Nothing really.


If I’m interested in buying a car that is grey, I don’t even think to bother the dude who is selling a red car for details about it. That’s just me. I can’t speak for we.

Indeed, that is just you. If I am considering a $5000 amp, I would like to know a little more about it than the color. But that is just me, and probably the majority of people.

 

But if I did wish to ask about why the red car is so much better than a dull grey car, I would do so politely and with due respect for the red’s superiority.
 

Superiority? That has not been proven by any measure.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice.

 

Here are the facts that Kuribo/ASR miss.

1. No amp has ever passed straight wire bypass testing.

2. All Purifi amps sound different.....based on their input stages, power supplies, wires used, connectors used, damping ,etc. etc.........yet, they will all measure about the same.....with all these different parts and execution.  So, if you can change and improve the sound of an amp without affecting its distortion measurements.....this actually proves that measurements by themselves are really not that important to really KNOWING what an amp sounds like.

3. No one who has listened to a bunch of serious amps has ever declared a Purifi based amp is the best amp in the world.

4. The Benchmark amp also measures like ASR people want.  It has its own sound (improved by using audiophile fuse in it) and again, no one would say it is state of the art that has listened to many high priced serious amps.  On Jay's thread right now there is a guy who just listened to 4 different amps and the Benchmark was not the best.

5. Discrete op amps do not generally measure quite as good as integrated circuit op amps.  VTV sells a version of their Purifi based amp that you can interchange various op amps on its input....including integrated circuit ones.  The discrete ones just plain sound better and each brand of discrete op amp sounds different from every other one.

6. Static standard distortion measurements do NOT tell you how transparent (like a striaght wire with gain) an amp is.  This fact alone does not resonate with measurement obsessed people.  The only way to know how transparent an amp is......is to listen to it.  Listening rules....measurements are just a mild indicator of something....nothing else.

Here is another factoid.  You cannot change anyones addiction by stating truth.  In order to stop your addiction, you have to admit you are addicted......the ego does not like to be WRONG.  I am sure Kuribo will fire back with his usual response.  We have played this game before.

The dance of truth versus ignorance is an eternal dance.  On every level there is truth......and on some level eveything is true.  So, hopefully, we can speak our truth in peace without making someone else wrong.  People are beautiful.....but sometimes we think and act out of alignment with our beauty.  This is called "being human"......However, we are also divine and can re-align with our beauty at any moment......we make the call.....every breath we take can be filled with joy or whatever else you choose.....choose wisely my friends.

The mind is a "make wrong machine"........the heart is a "make beautiful kissy thang"

I send you all big wet kisses.

@kuribo If the maker of this amp provides similar measurements, we can make that assessment.

But Ralph specifically says that his amp does have 2nd and 3rd harmonics at some level..

If I’m interested in buying a car that is grey, I don’t even think to bother the dude who is selling a red car for details about it.  That’s just me. I can’t speak for we.

But if I did wish to ask about why the red car is so much better than a dull grey car, I would do so politely and with due respect for the red's superiority.

@twoleftears  That AGD price is for the stereo unit.    The Atmasphere are monos.

The AGD monos (Audion in satin)  are $7500. 

But even then, one coould speculate.....The question is how much of the difference in price is due to the bling factor and other stuff - the AGD bloke reckons somewhere that the cost associated with sticking a small city into the KT88 tubes is significant..  I'm not surprised.

Compare the pics, if you may, at you leisure.

People, forget about Hypex, Purifi, et al.
 

Why? They are the current state of the art in class d amplification.

@kuribo From the website -

The Class D amp has the same kind of distortion signature {as tube amps}, but at a much lower level.

This, to me, is reasonably unambiguous. From what I understand of Hypex and Purifi (and others, of course) amplifiers, they make no such claim about harmonics. I suspect measurements may confirm this. I’d bet on it.

No, Hypex and Purifi are more concerned with producing a wire with gain, free from any coloration, tube like or otherwise. Their measurements bear this out as the harmonics, etc., are buried below audibility. If the maker of this amp provides similar measurements, we can make that assessment.

 

 

People, forget about Hypex, Purifi, et al.

The obvious point of comparison/competition here is the AGD Tempo di Gan.

Consider this.

Atmasphere: proprietary GaNFET module, 100W into 8, 200W into 4, $5400.

AGD: proprietary GaNFET module, 100W into 8, 200W into 4, $5500.

If anybody could get both amps in the same room at the same time, then they would really have my attention.

@kuribo From the website -

The Class D amp has the same kind of distortion signature {as tube amps}, but at a much lower level.

This, to me, is reasonably unambiguous. From what I understand of Hypex and Purifi (and others, of course) amplifiers, they make no such claim about harmonics. I suspect measurements may confirm this. I’d bet on it.

I’m as concerned about the definition of the market as you are with your amplifier preference. "in the market" would be the worldwide production and sale and availability of stereo amplifiers. Within this there are many other more narrowly defined markets like an overlapping mess of circles on a page, each with their own and overlapping characteristics.

So the "great number of people" must be taken in this context.

Slightly circular I think, because those words define the "market" as being those who like state of the art design, excellent objective performance, as well as a neutral and transparent sound. That is actually quite narrow, by my reading, and so large segment is correct but moot.

My own definition of "market" would be substantially wider, and would include other variables, without necessarily excluding those mentioned. Perhaps a different weighting scheme, for as is conceded, everyone has different tastes.

Perhaps by choice like yourself, or for other reasons.  Irrelevant.

 

 

My comments don't define the market in its entirety- I am simply noting that there is a great number of people in the market who like state of the art design, excellent objective performance, as well as a neutral and transparent sound- in other words, objective and subjective criteria are of importance, not just one or the other. The success of Hypex and Purifi, both commercially and critically, attests to this market dynamic.

I couldn't care less what others think of the sound of this or any other amp. What matters to me is my own opinion, in my room, in my system. The rest is simply noise. I want an amp that outputs a signal as true to the input as possible, only larger. I appreciate good design as verified and vetted by measurements as do others.