Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
A one man company (essentially ) making high in demand products =extended wait period. I'm interested in their power cables but realize it will require patience if I go that route. Lak's report impressed me , knowing that they're on par with the HFC power cables. Charles
Maxima95 the Cerious website was setup before they started selling direct so that's why its hard to order from there. I would recommend sending Bob a message through the Audiogon system and see if he responds quicker. He's posted in this thread so you can find his username if you page up. Good luck!
Charles1dad & et al, To clarify, I think the Graphene Extreme power cords sounded better than my HF CT-1 power cord. The Graphene Extreme power cords sound very good as far as I'm concerned. My HF-UR power cord is superior. I do have HF U power cords but as of yet, was not able to do a compairson because of length constraints.
Hello Lak, You tried the Cerious Graphene cable on your HFC conditioner in place of the HFC UR cable and determined that it was very good. Impressive as the UR cable is 10 K dollars for 1 meter. The HFC CT1 power cable is 2 K dollars per 1 meter and is highly praised and yet you find the Cerious Graphene better sounding. This is noteworthy in my opinion. Your system is certainly more than capable of distinguishing the differences. Charles,
There is another thread about CPT cables that split the AC into a balanced configuration. I'm going to get one of these power cords to try with / against the Cerious Technologies Graphene power cables.
As states earlier the Graphene Extreme High Current power cord sounds much better on my Allnic T-1500 Integrated 300B amp and on my HF MC-6 power distributor than the HF-CT-1 power cord. I think the Graphene Extreme High Current power cord (or one that isn't high current made for lets say a preamp, CDP, Dac etc) would sound good. Just my opinion/guess because I have not tried it and probably won't because I'm really pleased with what I'm hearing.
dweller 1,290 posts 05-10-2016 4:51pm "When are we going to see an all-graphene system? All wires in all components (crossovers, tonearm leads, transformers, power conditioners, etc.). Surely, the High-end industry can make this happen?"
When? How about never? Why? because Graphene by definition is only one atom thick. Ergo, just like the Graphene cables you need a copper backbone just to hold the whole thing together. In the case of the Graphene fuse the Graphene is not used as a conductor.
Calloway, Well your terrific system is surely up to the task of sorting out power cable sonic characteristics I imagine that your Chalice Grail is sounding as stunning as ever.
dweller 1,291 posts 05-10-2016 9:20pm "geoffkait: Please refer to mfg. post of 4-5-16:
"How is the Graphene used? Graphene particles are flooded into each conductor and then the Teflon jacket is heated to shrink the jackets forcing the particles into every minute gap and seam. Where there was a gap of air before between strands in the conductor there is now Graphene!"
I didn’t mean to imply that wires should be pure graphene (yet)."
Yes, I've seen that. And the Graphene fuse doesn't use Graphene at all for the conductor.
All one has to do to know Graphene is real and not snake oil and see the potential value of graphene in electronics in general is some simple google searches.
The trick with any useful new innovative technology is always in the proper application. Any current applications for wires, fuses etc. are most likely limited still and the value not always clear case by case. The devil is always in the details. But over time, I am optimistic graphene will assume a larger role in more electronics in general based on its unique and useful physical properties.
Meanwhile, it is not yet a mainstream technology for home audio so take all claims with a few grains of salt but if the facts line up don’t be afraid to try if the value proposition works for you.
Also keep in mind better application of technology may equate in general with better performance but even that does not always = better sound. Sound quality will always be very much in the ear of the listener and a fairly subjective thing to determine in the end.
"Meanwhile, it is not yet a mainstream technology for home audio so take all claims with a few grains of salt but if the facts line up don’t be afraid to try if the value proposition works for you.
Also keep in mind better application of technology may equate in general with better performance but even that does not always = better sound. Sound quality will always be very much in the ear of the listener and a fairly subjective thing to determine in the end."
Gee, you don’t say? Rather than take such a pessimistic view, I’d rather take the opposite view, and that’s without even trying the Graphene stuff. I’d say revel in your time and thank your lucky stars that such things are popping up in audio devices. Audiophiles often seem to get ahead of the power curve when it comes to these newer materials and concepts. The stodgy old science community seems to have run out of imagination. Carbon nanotubes, carbon fiber, carbon powder, quantum dots, Graphene. Whenever industry and science is having difficulty coming up with applications for these powerful new materials audiophiles will figure out how to improve their sound. Snooze you loose.
Cheerios,
geoff kait machina dynamica we do artificial atoms right
mapman 13,271 posts 05-11-2016 2:27pm Geoffkait: "Gee, you don’t say? Rather than take such a pessimistic view, I’d rather take the opposite view, and that’s without even trying the Graphene stuff. I’d say revel in your time and thank your lucky stars that such things are popping up in audio devices."
To which Mapman responded,
"That’s fine. No need to argue. Some like to be early adaptors, on the bleeding edge, whatever one might call it. Others not. Graphene has potential for sure. Unlike "snake oil" which has none. That’s a big difference!"
What on Earth are you going on about? You seem to be full of platitudes today for some reason. Snake oil? oil? Got some examples? I’m dying to hear this. Let ’er rip, Mapman. Let the diatribe begin.
We all have opinions, those who have actually tried the Graphene cables should share there experiences. Those who have not are only speculating.
But, I myself am very pleased with the sound quality derived from the use of graphene, however it is applied or achieved with the Cerious Technologies cables.
Lets leave any bickering to the upcoming election.
I do not pretend to be a cable designer but when I saw the post about the Cerious Graphene Cables....it made complete sense to me and I hotly pursued the purchase of a a complete set of cables so that I could hear the complete result. Bob was very accommodating and kind as I had some unusual lengths in my order. He kept me informed as to the process and apologized for the slight delay. Now I have them and my instinct seems to have proven correct. They are simply the best I have experienced and will happily dangle my Q7 MK2's on them. Thanks Bob!
mapman 13,272 posts 05-11-2016 10:22pm "Geoff please try to not get so bent out of shape whenever the SO words are mentioned."
I’m not bent out of shape. But I know someone who is. SO is what, significant other? Sales order? Special Operations? Sheriff's office?
Mapman also offered up one of his fast pitches,
"Have you developed that conscience you were considering or something?"
Have you given any consideration to going back to school? You know, knowledge is what’s left after you forgot all that stuff from school.
Mapman then attempted to stay on topic, for once, with this gem,
"Wires with radically different designs have the best chance of sounding different. I’m all for trying them especially when prices are competitive."
Yikes! OK, if you say so, Mapman. Where did you pull that from? Not experience, one assumes. You should patent your platitudes. Also, I think you meant to say you’re all for trying them when prices are cheap, not when they’re competitive.
I don't think Bob has had any time to update his website. Best way is to send him an email. But forewarned, it sounds like it may take time for him to get back to you.
jaafjj,
Congrats on the purchases, I know I'm very pleased.
There was a special pricing ad on Audiogon (which I no longer see) at that time I believe the price for a standard length Graghene Extreme power cord was around $300, could have been more. They might have listed for a similar price as the Synergistic Research Black Quantum power cord. If I’m incorrect I appologise ahead of time.
lak,and jmcgrogan, are correct. I bought mine during the introduction. I am not sure what the current going price is that's why I think you need to contact Bob.
I had incorrectly assumed that they would be more expensive than cables listed currently on the manufacturer’s website.
I also did not understand how Graphene could be used on a bendable item, such as an audio cable, but having read the tread again see that the cable is impregnated (as opposed to being coated) with Graphene.
Right now the living room setup is down due to our new kittens “shredding” my OTA speaker cable.
I have to figure out another way to safely run the speaker cables before I get it up and running again.
The list price on all the power cords and interconnects is $499.00 except for the digital cable which is $299.00.. I believe the speaker cables are around $849.00 or more for 8 foot set but not 100% on them.
Bob from Cerious again. Thanks again to everybody! The prices posted are the real deal (intro price on GE speaker cables $649 8 foot set...) and if you are a customer who has purchased from me before you are "locked in" to those prices. So 9 months from now you want another power cord...you get the intro price. You took a chance on a small US company that hand makes products so you deserve loyalty and you will receive it. Last a note on communication. While I have been very busy the whole Audiogon system is very hard to navigate as everything that comes through has login IDs and not names so not only do I have to keep orders straight but I have to figure out that Jim is "Beastmaster1000". Also Audiogon blocks anything from a seller that has numbers - like tracking numbers for shipments - Blocked! Phone numbers, internet links, email addresses. If an Audiogon communication has any of these the whole message does not get delivered so you - the customer - thinks I never responded. I will continue to check out the blog and contact anyone who says they have had a problem contacting me - and yes - I have been too busy to update the website (besides that is my daughter's job who does website design for a living and will "someday" get to updating Dad's site...Kids!).
There has been another thread on the Cable Forum about a CPT power cable
that is designed to provide balanced power. I wanted to try it with the Cerious
Technologies Graphene Extremes so I ordered one and today I received it.
First impression, it is much larger unit than I thought it would be and on first
listen the audio was so-so. The video from a cable box was also just so-so,
nothing special.
But... 20 minutes later the video from my cable box is looking much better
and the audio is improving. I don’t know why I am surprised because I know
power cords need to break in. But, with the video you can almost see the
picture improving as you watch it. 20 minutes isn't very long but it has improved immensely.
I think with the audio I need to give it more time. However, what I’m now
hearing is becoming mighty impressive, with no downside.
I have everything running from my PS Audio P-10. I had to use 3- DIY (non filtered) 8 way outlets daisy
chained from my PS P-10. I mean I have everything coming from the one CPT 300. All
of my audio components are using the Cerious Technologies Graphene power
cables.
So, I think using utilizing the best of both designs, the CPT 300 with its
balanced design feeding the Cerious Technologies Graphene Extremes is going to
be an awesome combination.
Ozzy, I can certainly see why you'd like the balanced AC power cable. I use a BPT balanced AC conditioner /transformer with excellent results on all of my components plugged into it. Charles,
I contacted Bob yesterday via his email address and he responded within a couple of hours. I am going to buy a pair of his GE speaker cables and a pair of GE interconnects. I recently added graphene power cords and fuses from Synergistic Research and really like what I am hearing. I'm looking forward to adding more graphene products into my audio system.
I got my cables from Bob and so far I am very impressed, no, blown away. I'm selling off a lot of my old cables to make room. I now have the power cords and balanced interconnects. These produce the most natural sound I've experienced. Please let us know how the speaker cables perform for those who have them. I'm wondering if they outperform my Synergistic Element Tungston speaker cables? These cables sound way above their $$$.
To anyone that uses the GE Interconnects (RCA): How are they sounding? Compared to which interconnects? How are the highs sounding, accurate or rolled off? Thanks in advance...
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