No comparison, CD always sounds so cold and gritty. Vinyl is so much warmer, smoother and has better imaging and much greater depth of sound. It’s like watching the world go by through a dirty window pane when listening to a CD. Put the same LP on the turntable and Voila! Everything takes on more vibrancy, fullness and texture.
Last night I put on Jennifer Nettles "Playing with Fire{". It is one of those excellent music horrible mastering/recording cds
I use it to test new additions, like New Dark Matter. The improvement was/is amazing, though it is not capable of turning poor recordings into proper remasters , it is now much more listenable, as are good recordings
polarity, ESPECIALLY when discs are mastered in various locations (ie Greatest Hits) OFTENTIMES is all over the place, from song to song
I flip a lot of kit, always try to get a pre or dac with polarity inverting switch (often miscalled phase), alas many/most manufacturers are/seem clueless
I hate to judge before all the facts are in but it appears to me you really took my statement to heart ❤️- “I never met an audiophile who didn’t think his system is the greatest.” 😀
I've had audiophiles over who have $850,000 and $1,000,000 systems and the former one's system stunk even though the owner only felt that it was a little bright (I would have quit listening to music is was sooo hard, bright and forward). His jaw dropped when he heard my system. Oregonpapa and Robert know how awesome my main audio system is (from these forums). Oregonpapa's system is excellent too! Our systems cream 95% of all audio store and show systems. Until I move, I have a 5,000 cu ft room to really let my big speakers sing out. So, when I say CDs can sound as good as analog, there's knowlegable audiophiles and music lovers who agree. It's a thrill having people get goosebumps listening to my music. They stay for hours and don't want to leave. That's a system playing engaging sounding music.
It's true, audiophiles often don't know what music should sound like reproduced in a listening room but they think their systems are excellent (although look how often they change gear). I haven't changed my components from 10 to 30 years (SME IV and VPI 19-4/Ultracraft are the longest in my system). I use tweaks to get the most out of the equipment despite their "age."
Please note I said untreated CDs on stock systems. We’ll get there eventually....😛 I never met an audiophile who didn’t think his system was the greatest.
Yes, I meant the vertical soundfield. My mistake. As to depth, wow, I've got as much depth as intended by the recording engineer. CDs can sound awesome.
fleschler736 posts02-05-2019 6:24pmI was just listening to Ramsey Lewis Trio "In Chicago" on CD and the bass on the left channel is constantly moving up and down horizontally, just like the LP, both mono and stereo versions. Also, the 3D soundfield of orchestral recordings sound just like my LPs. Who says that CDs don’t reproduce the horizontal soundfield? That’s just dumb.
>>>>As far as I can tell noone says CDs can’t produce the horizontal soundfield. Maybe you meant vertical not horizontal, hard to tell. Moving up and down horizontally kind of doesn’t make sense. When I say CDs generally sound two dimensional I’m referring to depth mostly, but also just plain blah.
I was just listening to Ramsey Lewis Trio "In Chicago" on CD and the bass on the left channel is constantly moving up and down horizontally, just like the LP, both mono and stereo versions. Also, the 3D soundfield of orchestral recordings sound just like my LPs. Who says that CDs don't reproduce the horizontal soundfield? That's just dumb.
P.S. The 1980s CD players generally sounded just like Geoffkait described bad players, except for a few like the Kyocera 310 and 410 units which sounded lush and analoglike, lacking in the deep bass. I have several of them which I purchased cheap 15 years ago when they were already obsolete to repair.
“Question : is 3D Soundstaging better on LP or CD?” (Please note one should first mention the global disclaimer : “No height information is captured in stereophonic recording”.)”
>>>>>I got as far as that comment. I’m out. Of course height is captured in the recording. Why wouldn’t it be? Height is just another one of the 3 dimensions. Otherwise, it would be a 2D soundstage. Hel-loo! Reverberant decay occurs in all three dimensions. You can’t stop it. There are many reasons why CDs do not sound as good as they could on playback systems, as I’ve been preaching recently, two of the leading culprits are lack of isolation and scattered laser light problem, that until very recently has not been addressed or even acknowledged. Plus I’ve always maintained untreated CDs in stock home systems generaliy sound two dimensional, whimsy, compressed, rolled off, bland, bass shy, unnatural, and like paper mache.
“Whether'tis nobler in the mindto suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles.”
BTW the aforementioned comments are not “tribal”. If I see someone eating biscuits with a chocolate-flavoured coating I will tell them it doesn’t taste as good as real chocolate.
(P.S. Anyone who actually prefers chocolate-flavoured coatings to real chocolate is a pervert. ;) :D
TBH I would have assumed anti-phase made no difference had not people testified that switching to normal phase made their CDs sound more equivalent to vinyl(!) I’ve always striven to ensure that all elements of the systems I used were “phase correct” and that’s pretty much it.
I regret if I had read through George’s notes concerning “inverted polarity” before trawling through a shedload of LPs & CDs and making my own notes I wouldn’t have bothered writing all of this(!), however I still believe it is relevant. :(
Question : is 3D Soundstaging better on LP or CD?” (Please note one should first mention the global disclaimer : “No height information is captured in stereophonic recording”.)
What is helpful about the 3D aspects of audio reproduction is that, on my main system at least, they are easily, “quantifiable” and “demonstrable”.
Initially, I had decided to focus on what one might call extreme examples which are rarely heard from typical sources. The “Voice of God” moment on Michael Moorcock's "New World's Fair" is one such example. This particular voice is differentiated from others on the album in that the vinyl version projects this voice in an extraordinary way, very distinct from the mic-ing and processing used elsewhere in that production and indeed from the countless other examples of 3-dimensionality within it. His voice appears as a wholly realistic, corporeal, tightly focussed, tangible ball of sound manifesting itself in the EXTREME TOP LEFT HAND CORNER of the room. (Note : The bottom corner is over 5ft from the speaker).
It’s hard to say what the Sound Engineer was striving for in the studio when effects were added and indeed “3D impressions” from 2.0 are not often discussed in Forums because few folk have verifiable or all-encompassing opinions on how they are contrived. It’s unlikely that a “vertical dimension” or some sense of “scale” was the engineer’s primary goal but my guess is he was hoping to hear a noticeable difference sufficient to make it stand out(!) I can only report that when reproduced through planar speakers it is quite spectacular!
Now, I just happened to have an ostensibly "well recorded" version of the album on CD in addition to that *standard* LP so there was no reason to feel initially prejudiced against the CD. ;) I was curious to see whether it manifested the aforementioned 3D effect...or at least made the listener aware of the difference? A reminder first that the point here is not to guess the ultimate goal of the recording engineer but to decide whether the recording engineer’s efforts were well enough represented to be actually NOTICED or not!
So how was this purposely “differentiated” voice rendered on CD? Disappointingly, the voice appeared just centimetres outside the TLHC of the speaker frame rather than metres! In fact, decidedly UNdifferentiated from normal vocal presentation which would routinely appear at that height and location (choruses, harmonies, multi-voicing etc).
Note : For these tests I was using electrostatic line sources. A quick explanation of how my particular ELS sources work might help : A pure electronic sound with no “effects” will appear to emanate directly from the centre of the panel, regardless of room acoustics! When the sound engineer adds “effects” it will change location in any/all of 3 dimensions. The evidence of Cause & Effect is quite clear but this is not to imply that room and speaker interaction are not also involved. These subtleties will be either reproduced in a dramatic and/or quantifiable way or they won’t. Conventional speakers can also do this, perhaps not with the same precision/magnitude. The important thing to remember is that it all starts with the source/master. The speakers and the room can only work with what you give them.
Even allowing for the influence of different loudspeaker systems and rooms, if I had always been a CD-only listener to classic albums and such was the only viewpoint I was getting, I would be concerned I was missing out on something in the general sense (at the very least being made AWARE and able to appreciate Engineering intervention within the performance).
The next example is more “geometric” than the first but it's a cracker!! (I can even provide the time stamp for those who own the CD album and wish to try the A-B for themselves, with or without conventional speakers.) It concerns a Jan Akkerman guitar solo on the Focus album “Moving Waves”. Many A’Goners will have a copy of this item. This 3D example is hypnotic on vinyl. The solo guitar’s panning and movement describes a perfect rectangle in the vertical axis. Quite eerie “watching” a guitar climb from panel centre to the top in a perfectly straight vertical line (a distance of approx. 2ft) then pan horizontally to the top of the opposite speaker where it would descend, slowly, by 2ft etc. To summarise, the pattern that the guitar describes is a vertical rectangle 7ft wide x 2ft high. Clearly defined and easily capable of being followed.
How did the CD fare on this test? Again the CD appeared to register some movement of the guitar at “tweeter height” and it DID end up traversing from one speaker to the other but there was something strange going on. I was unable to pick up on the initial “vertical” movement of the guitar. Also, my ears struggled at times to “lock on” to the guitar sound and track its movements during the horizontal panning. It took a few moments of re-winding to realise that the vertical “pan” had started only a few inches below the first turning point.
So, in summary, the guitar, on the CD, was describing a vertical rectangle 7ft wide x 3 or 4 INCHES high... (Note that everything else in the soundstage also fell along this axis/line therefore one could summarise the presentation as 2-Dimensional.)
I played a few more “well recorded” CDs derived from the 70s era, Kate Bush etc. Interestingly, as above, all instruments and voices coalesced at “tweeter height”, decidedly 2D. Even “sidewall” sounds projected beyond L & R stage were at this height. A line could be drawn across the room from wall to wall! I was beginning to wonder if the system was actually working properly(!)
Time to switch to vinyl to see if this disturbing “consistency” was reflected there... It was as if the fetters on the soundscape had been inexplicably released. Suddenly there was no “restriction” in the vertical sound field. It was instantly audible, accompanied by a palpable sense of relief. Conversely, switching back to CD, the “flatlining” of the soundscape was instantly audible. Plenty of depth just no height.
Mastering may cover a multitude of evils but the trend that we’re seeing here gives the impression of being associative with each medium. I’d also hate to think they were mastering (digital) to be specifically replayed through headphones or something as exclusive as that. It may be that in the case of “true analogue”, we are seeing the vinyl capture an event close to the TIME of it’s inception (if you purchased the LP at the time of release) while the CD transcript was “captured” decades later from the original tape/s. Just speculation. Whatever is going on here is not easily explainable but it’s effects are easily described. Of course, all of this hinges on whether you personally consider a flattened 2D soundstage a disadvantage or not. If you love 2D - and I don’t - then you only need concern yourself about the subjective SQ.
“3D” and “2D” descriptors are generalisations and as with all things you might occasionally hear exceptions. One significant exception seems to be classical music in general where both formats appear 2D. Not sure why, perhaps the distance perspective as well as the technique. General listening to both formats also suggests that whole tracks recorded in specific studios have their own idiosyncrasies (from a 3D viewpoint).
It seems, from the tests I’ve performed so far, that the subtle contributions by the Sound Engineer which generally enhance your appreciation of the musical event/performance can be posted missing from CD (even the best ones). For CD aficionados, I guess it’s a case of what you never knew won’t hurt you. ;)
Despite knowing that digital recording is as capable as any other medium (I personally use digital recording too) this is a reality of how classic albums are rendered by the 2 formats. IMO it would matter little even if someone came up with a lossless True HD Blu-ray version of it, the observational differences would, in all likelihood, be the same not to mention the immediacy issues and the sense of the vocals etc being fully “fleshed out”(in fact I've even demonstrated that problem in other A-Bs but that's a story for another day).
The bottom line is that whilst *every* vinyl album I tested will exhibit 3D sound (even the crappiest ones), you’ll have to work hard to find a CD that doesn’t sound 2D. For the bulk of music that we “old-timers” prefer this isn’t satisfactory. So, the next time someone who favours vinyl insists that they hear “more interesting content”, or say it’s, “like listening in Super-Cinemascope”, cut them some slack, they’re probably right... ;)
I've been reading on line concerning absolute versus inverted polarity. Let's say my CDs are mostly (92%) inverted polarity. They sound great. Why? Maybe my equipment, speakers and/or CD player make polarity inversions whose end result inverts polarity. The combination of an inverted polarity CD and an inverted end result from the audio system equals absolute polarity, where two mistakes make it right. So quoted in http://www.absolutepolarity.com/
The Real Reason Some People Prefer Analog To Digital
There’s a problem that has been ignored by the entire music industry which I believe is really important for music-lovers that I think you my want to investigate. Approximately 35 years ago when digital media was introduced to the music consuming public as a media with “Perfect Sound Forever” the music industry made a huge screw up when it got the playback polarity of digital music on CDs and later DVDs, etc. in reversed (inverted polarity). On a purely random basis that means that digital media and files are heard in the wrong polarity approximately 85% of the time and either 92% wrong or correct when audio systems are set to a fixed playback polarity.
The result is that the music played in inverted polarity sounds harsh and two-dimensional. And that’s probably the major reason that some music-lovers still believe (without knowing the real reason) that analog sounds better than digital. Analog media plays in the correct polarity over 99.9% of the time but also sounds bad if played in inverted polarity. It’s difficult if not impossible to make meaningful comparisons of the fidelity and musicality of media and audio components when they aren’t playing in absolute polarity. The better the playback system the easier it is to hear the differences in polarity. Confusion over polarity may cause music-lovers to expend needless time and money trying to smooth out the irritating and flat sound of digital media when the real problem is music played in inverted polarity.
This should be an object lesson on how an entire industry with its experts and electrical engineers can get it wrong and not do anything about if for over 35 years and counting! So it should be an object lesson that the entire industry that creates recorded music and is based upon scientific principles continues to mostly get polarity wrong.
I've written two monographs that go into great detail about the problem at:http://www.AbsolutePolarity.com andhttp://www.PolarityGeorge.com. If you or anyone you know might be interested in developingThePerfect Polarizer™ that will detect and correct polarity in real-time, then please forward this email to them/encourage them to contact me, because I believe it could be accomplished with AI/App. Now, do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?”
Fleabay also protects its “preferred” sellers from negative feedback, even when warranted. There’s really no recourse to punish a bad fleabay seller once they’ve reached a certain status with them, so PayPal is your best friend.
I did not know that the seller could not leave negative feedback after the order was paid for. I've been threatened twice with negative feedback after telling the seller that the record was in garbage condition (one looked fine but had one channel carved out/distorted by some reckless user and another had a 1000 pops/clicks and also looked NM). Maybe I'll start buying a few more records on ebay again. At least with CDs, I've never received a bad one from 1000s I've purchased from ebay and Amazon.
Have over 500cds in 100 packs and my original purchased in a cd bookshelf as wide and high as I...what do i do...cant choose and like to relax...fisher 24 disc player is amazing but you can only listen to the same music so many times.SO... Over the last few months i began to stream the audio digital channel from our dstv/sat system to av receivers.One in the lounge and one in the workshop.The digital transmission is superb and brings any system to life.The local fm channels are also on sat and are now a pleasure to listen to..many djs turn the mic up and the distorted modulation is now a thing of the past..as well as our crappy analog towers.
The seller would refund me if I paid the freight back (which would cost me for two shipments
You don’t know how to use paypal buyer’s protection, no matter what the seller would like you to do, paypal always on the buyer’s side and they will cover return shipping too. I did that not only with records, but with cartridges sold as new, but being used or even defective. The difference in case with a record is that i got refund without even shipped back the record in 80% of thr cases. If the condition is not as described paypal buyers protection guaranteed full refund even for return shipping if needed. Just open claim on paypal, not on ebay, next time.
You have to know that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the ebay seller to leave negative feedback for the buyer since the order is paid! Ebay changed that many years ago.
"Uuugggghhhhh!!!!!This isn’t a debate on perception, it’s a debate on the medium and associated technologies. C’mon people, it’s not about WHO is right or wrong."
sleepwalker65-
Cmon, YOU knew what was gonna happen. With a title that includes "Crushed by Vinyl"...oh never mind.
Entertaining read. It's a group of little boys arguing in the sandbox. We all like what we like, and even the know it alls won't change that.
I hope everyone on the right half of the country is staying warm. It looks awful in the news reports. A perfect time to get those tube amps cookin'...especially those big bottle Class A SET's!
It's a little rainy here, in weirdoville SoCal.
Perfect day to put on my Pete Townsend white jumpsuit for some bin diving.There are cheap,WHITE HOT STAMPERS waiting to be found!
I've been burned by sellers who claim near mint condition from England and the LP is good condition, filled with pops and clicks. The seller would refund me if I paid the freight back (which would cost me for two shipments). They threaten to give me a negative review if I return the disc. That's not worth it. Also, low cost LPs under $7 with $4 shipping are not worth shipping back either.
As to CDs, I have 30,000 vocal selections and another 25,000 other historic recordings on CD which are either not available on LP or poorly transferred to LP. The remasterings on CD that I keep are very good to superb.
Sometimes LPs sound better than their CD remasterings and sometimes not. I enjoy both and do not regard the CD as inferior by nature. Only the hottest LP stamper of a well recorded and mastered LP beats the same CD. Unfortunately, like in Rock and Jazz, those hot stampers sell for $200 to $800 ala Better Records. I make do with slightly less than hot stampers and often the CD version sounds superior.
Uuugggghhhhh!!!!! This isn’t a debate on perception, it’s a debate on the medium and associated technologies. C’mon people, it’s not about WHO is right or wrong.
Hey tommy boy, to a lot of audiophiles it IS a religion. Where have you been? I myself am an innocent bystander in all this but I'm astute enough to recognize mania (religion) when I see it. Many or even most audio nuts will stick with whatever they like no matter what. Didn't you know that? It's still a free country but I won't knock myself out over your willful agnosticism.
Some of you guys are more like a cult where you cut yourself off from people who are not part of the cult.
Vinyl is not a cult, it was the main media format for ages, people who own many thousands record simply don’t need a CDs (especially in 2019), maybe it’s hard to understand for you, but i think it would be perversion to swap vinyl with CDs if you’re not living in the ’90s to believe the CDs are better media format (what a BS).
Some people still use a CDs and it’s fine until they are trying to tell us (on analog forum) that CD is better than Vinyl, just because they are too lazy to flip a record, or because they are hearing some noise with a record.
I’ve had some good experience with CDs in the early ’90s when it was cool and new here (before i've bought a nice turntable etc). I quickly realized that vinyl is so much better investment, better media for my needs and my music and i was right because thousand of my records has increased in price at least 10 times minimum. While the CD is a bad idea even for a gift, nobody needs them, really.
I’ve had worse experiences purchasing "mint" condition LPs on ebay which are trashed by ignorant and/or cheating sellers.
Do you think it’s because you’re buyin vinyl ? Actually everyone is fully protected on ebay and full refund (including shipping) is guaranteed by paypal buyer’s protection if you’re not happy with the quality, no loss for you i believe.
Right, I listen to all sources other than streaming.including RR tape occassionally. Different sources are not mutually exclusive like religion.
Prof answer is nonsense.
I am going to buy the Dark Matter tabs. If they don't work out, I can afford the economic loss. I've had worse experiences purchasing "mint" condition LPs on ebay which are trashed by ignorant and/or cheating sellers.
If it does improve the sound ala Perfect Path Omega E-Mats (which cost me a lot of moola for a dozen), then I will also buy it for my Blu-ray player for video/audio improvement. I will also promote it as well.
Dear @inna @bsmg : """ digital will never sound as good as analogue because there is a conversion and certain things are lost and distorted. """
Same could happens when you listen your analog rig due that at the human been ears all of us have an ADC at the inner ear. We really don't/can't listen any sound from any source in true analog way because our brain detect that " sound " that goes into the ears after that " sound " pass through that ADC at the inner ear part not before.
Please read this that is not my personal opinion but experts with scientific information of the human been:
So this is not about enjoying music for you guys. Listening to music is not like religion. Many people enjoy Lp, Cd, streaming, tape, live, etc. Some of you guys are more like a cult where you cut yourself off from people who are not part of the cult. But as we used to say, it’s a free country, so knock yourselves out.
I have many items I can sell as well if you are interested. A ball of special yarn that when placed on your digital source will open up the soundstage, guaranteed! $300. Because it's special yarn.
I have some fine beach property near Nashville as well I'm looking to offload.....;)
Vysotsky's ballads are timeless and are going to be sung and listened to in 500 years and later.
Ok, so you're not kidding. I can understand it as cultural phenomenon from the past, but not as the music. I can't even stand his voice. Happily my musical background is way different. The only thing i like from the Soviet past is some Soviet Jazz which was like a wind of freedom in the '60s. In my opinion the music should make us happy at least when we're listening to it, it's about the harmony, i want to forget all the troubles in the world when i am listening to music. I want to hear well trained musicians and singers, syncopated rhythms and harmony.
It is impossible to find anything from my records on tape, so i don't even talk about tapes here. I've heard a potentian of tapes in professional studios played on huge Studer multitrack.
Vinyl is the best for me, tapes are impossible to find, cd sucks, streaming is for education only (i do not collect files, i collect rvinyl ecords).
a major problem with cd playback is the fact that the laser light scatters inside the player.. Way back in the late 20th century we bought lenses that fit over the laser to focus the light, but it still bounced around inside. They worked, but...
Fast Forward to the 21st Century: Geoff Kait (Machina Dynamica) new version of laser correction is light years above all previous efforts. As I understand it, NEW Dark Matter absorbs the light bouncing inside the player. Much better than lenses, it is applied directly to the cd tray.
I found installation a bit tricky, however, upon startup, the music is so much more organic. Whereas digital can be light on its musical feet I had to turn my subs way down as there is body and weight in spades, especially down low
Presentation: It’s like the music is anchored in bedrock, with vinyl qualities few cd players can match
The recesses of the sound stage are much easier to hear into, whether it’s backup vocalists, Hammond organ, or large orchestra or chorus. Instruments like piano, upright bass, violin.... sound so much more real and in the room
I recently replaced a toslink cable with a prototype coax (price to be determined, but many times more than New Dark Matter) and my jaw dropped at the level of improvement, meaning other things like cables, and lack of quality isolation (see Machina Dynamica Springs) can screw up digital playback
In my system I would expect to need to get beefy multi-thousand dollar monoblocks to get the benefit I am hearing from NDM
This digital versus analog issue is one best compared to believers in a particular religion. The most prevalent religions are Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Music can be analog, digital, or a live performance. Take your pick but be advised that there are very few who renounce their religion in favor of another religion. That pretty much covers it.
fleschler712 posts02-01-2019 3:44amGeoffkait Okay, I misunderstood as I thought both sides of the square had double stick tape. It has a smooth, unsticky side which the CD rests on. Good. Also, I misspoke as to the Walker Talisman. Of course it is the magnetism problem that it alleviates as it has nothing to do with static of CD plaster or LP vinyl. I think I will try your invention. It may work. I know that eliminating stray laser light can enhance tracking ability. I’ve noticed the positive change occasionally when I use a cd edge trimmer and black sharpie (I said occasionally as I find that it is too infrequent and I really don’t want to put stress on the CD during the cutting operation).
>>>>looks like you dodged a bullet. As fate would have it, you’re better off not using the disc trimmer Black Sharpie, since black around the CD edge actually hurts the sound ouch! it’s the wrong color, perhaps counter-intuitively. The correct color - at least for the red portion of the scattered light - is turquoise, cyan technically. As for the remaining 75% of the scattered light, the invisible portion, well, I guess you have to use my NDM since it’s the only audiophile product that can eliminate invisible light. Fortunately, NDM also eliminates the red portion as well.
As to colonoscopies, I have invested in MotusGi, an endoscope that does not require prep (horrible liquid consumed the day before and diet change), as it is self-irrigating and self-evacuating. It has a protective sleeve to prevent patient to patient contamination (we had an outbreak of serious bacterial infections at Cedar Sinai Med Center in Los Angeles two years ago from inadequately sterilized endoscopes). Most importantly, this FDA and EU approved new endoscope is 98% effective versus current 78% effectiveness (which may have to do with the cleanliness of the colon for the procedure).
Johnson & Johnson has a director on the BOD and I'm betting they buy the company in several years after manufacturing, marketing and distributing the endoscopes for this tiny Israeli company who have limited funding.
Geoffkait Okay, I misunderstood as I thought both sides of the square had double stick tape. It has a smooth, unsticky side which the CD rests on. Good. Also, I misspoke as to the Walker Talisman. Of course it is the magnetism problem that it alleviates as it has nothing to do with static of CD plaster or LP vinyl. I think I will try your invention. It may work. I know that eliminating stray laser light can enhance tracking ability. I’ve noticed the positive change occasionally when I use a cd edge trimmer and black sharpie (I said occasionally as I find that it is too infrequent and I really don’t want to put stress on the CD during the cutting operation).
Do you guys read TAS? In the January 2019 issue Jonathan Valin, the hard-core analog guy at the magazine, reviewed the MSB Reference Transport and DAC. He starts his conclusion by saying, " The guy who railed against digital is now listening happily to same." He owns literally hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of analog gear. The MSB gear is not cheap at around $80,000, but it is cheap compared to his analog gear. And that's not even MSB's best DAC.
If you're open minded at all, read the review. If not, go on believing that you have the best sounding audio in the world. That won't make it true though.
I do speak a few languages. Vysotsky's ballads are timeless and are going to be sung and listened to in 500 years and later. Tape sounds best not vinyl. But I have to listen to cds too sometimes because that music was recorded in digital. Can be listenable. Digital sounds better on vinyl than on cd, by the way.
What is funny in these debates is that CD is actual for retired people only.
CD media format does not exist even for my generation anymore, and definitely not for younger generation. It reminds me those 14 y.o. kids filmed by their parents on video with Cassette Tape and Walkman player in 21st century, kids have no clue how to insert a tape. I believe young people have no clue what to do with your CDs, because they don’t have CD players and their computer does not have a CDR anymore, despite the fact that music can be streamed online even in loseless format.
When i see someone advocating for CD i wish to know the age of a person. Because i think a person is living in his own reality (in the past).
Vinyl is much older media than CD, but young generation will rather buy vinyl than CD, because they already have digital streaming of everything (music, movies etc).
Vinyl is simply the best media format by all means, still affordable top quality physical media, survided in the digital era and still rise up in price.
High Resolution digital is not a physical media, it’s just a data that can be cloned without loss in quality.
You can’t clone a vinyl, this is why it’s highly collectible. I’m not sure how many analog vinyl records in this word available in digital, maybe 10% ? There are record that nodoby heard before, each record collector has records that you can’t even find online (never), not even a word about those records.
Yes you can buy new music in digital, you can buy some old music in digital, but you can’t buy or find obscure rare records in digital in high resolution files (only after a record collector will upload his selection somewhere in the cloud in mp3 to educate people). Another reason why vinyl is much more valuable and much more interesting for music lovers and collectors worldwide.
It's crazy that i have to write it up in analog forum where some people still fight for digital.
Single minded is more like it; a lot of these folks have invested considerable resources in whatever they're advocating; if they didn't advocate for what they invested in, they would be remiss or at least "short sighted" so there's a considerable factor of self affirmation in all this screed about any audio subject. It's not rocket surgery. It's "all about me." Of course, there is the possibility that someone buys something that is obviously a piece of crap and recognizes it for such, but this ventures into the realm of honesty and credibility. which is rare in any rabid beast.
Vysotsky is so much better, it's not quite music, though, it's poetry accompanied by intentionally out of tune guitar.
I am surprised, don't tell me you have russian roots too. His poetry was pretty tought for its time and still today, my grand father wrote a book about him about 30 years ago. Anyway i hope you're kidding.
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