@lewm With my Sugarcube, 95% of the clicks and pops are removed with no sonic penalty that I can hear. Next year, I hope to upgrade my SC-2 to "+" status, which adds surface noise reduction algorithms. The gap continues to close, but it's like atomic half lives, it will never vanish completely, IMHO. |
Cakyol, pops, crackles, clicks, and rumble occur at frequencies well below 20kHz, the standard upper boundary of human audibility where the vast majority of us don’t hear. Well done Hi-Rez digital gets you more information in the audible range, ideally., Thereby approaching the fidelity of very high quality vinyl reproduction. For some, Hi-Rez digital exceeds very high-quality vinyl in that regard. All of that is a matter of opinion and the subject of an argument in which I do not engage.
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IME, the answer for the OP is no, but...
I have been gradually digitizing my vinyl to put on my server for many years. Currently, I digitize at 96/24 FLAC on my Sweetvinyl Sugarcube SC-2. While I don't see the digital files as equal to the vinyl when played back, it's fairly close. One thing I would say is that more often than not, I prefer the digitized vinyl to bog standard CDs of the same albums. Make that just about all the time. Since I can't afford to buy lots of hi res downloads or a streaming hi res service, this is, for me, the best way to have high quality music available on my server for when I don't want to bother with finding, cleaning and playing LPs, which is almost always. YMMV. |
Of course.
You can digitize all sounds. Especially the sounds in the audio range.
Typically sampling at 44khz (CD quality) is good enuf.
If you want to be really picky and claim you can hear above the normal human range of hearing, then sample at a higher rate and you will hear every pop, crackle, click and rumble, perfectly reproduced.
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It remains a pity that almost nothing new is now recorded AAA, even by
believers. Given the resurgence of vinyl, this is perhaps a seam that
can profitably be mined. Sad but true, although I am seeing a "market" for D2D but it is insignificant and just pursue by some people so this market is a boutique business which could be lucrative but not worth pursuing (from the money perspective) |
Sorry guitarsam, my post was entirely clear and you add nothing by repeating your proposition with re-emphasis.
Put up or shut up with your backyard guitar. Nobody's ever heard it.
So perhaps subject it to a double blind listening test. |
Show us the way mapman!
You are so correct that 99% of vinyl of new music comes from performance recorded to digital. So the vinyl contains the virus. And nor can it sound better than the digital master except by adding artifacts that are judged to make the sound more pleasant.
It remains a pity that almost nothing new is now recorded AAA, even by believers. Given the resurgence of vinyl, this is perhaps a seam that can profitably be mined. |
Lew here. Sam, who is "not a troll" has been successful despite his near illiteracy in starting another useless vinyl vs digital argument. Maybe that was his goal. Sam, in the world of science or even in the world of polemics, you need to state your experimental conditions, the equipment you use, the methods, and the data that you think allows you to claim such complete success. That would require a couple of pages of writing with charts and graphs. Maybe you can post that information somewhere else and provide a URL. If you're really only saying that you make vinyl to digital recordings, as Mapman and others have mentioned, and you think the results are identical to the vinyl source, join the club. Lots of people think that. Lots of people do that. There's a minor industry built around that belief and preference. (See Tascam, for example). You were not the first. You did not invent the idea, even. You can even find entire websites devoted to this sort of mental masturbation. If that's not what you are saying, what then?
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BTW I will go out on a limb and say most all new vinyl these days is digitally remastered. If the recording was done in the 70s or older it was with few exceptions originally an analog master.
Records stopped making sense as a recording delivery medium once digital took root in the 80s. No reason to put new recordings on 100 year old technology.
I have a large record collection From way back . I bought a new good turntable to be able the play those records and not have to replace them.
I don’t buy new overpriced vinyl with digital source material on it. Pointless. Unless you just enjoy the ritual of playing records.
Records do have the advantage of being a large enough format to support delivering nice and informative packaging like was often done in the early days to help a release sell. But even most of that material is available elsewhere on the internet these days. Much like many books.
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Even if you add the frequencies just the initial conversion filters IIR or FIR (simplifying), format, bits, final analog stage, Fpga or off shelf chip or ladder involved will provide its own signature.
Then when playing back the digital content you have all those variables again on a different set of hardware software. Good luck getting the same result, I went over this scenario in my head 6 months ago and decided to spend the money directly on analog and vinyl
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@clearthinker Digital lovers don't believe this. They believe that at high enough
sampling and bit rates the digital sound will approximate extremely
closely to the analogue curve beyond the ability of the ear to
distinguish and that it's possible to design perfect clocks and DA
converters You are correct, for the record if you dig enough into digital you will find that the more you know the more you realize all the variables involved will provide "something" and that's your virus 😉 I like and play both digital and analog and have admiration for good implemented either methods, even with the virus. |
Why all the effort to make digital, or attempt to make digital sound like an analog lp. The answer, and the easier road to take is to just buy a good turntable and invest in LP's. I'm scratching my head. |
clearthinker your post is anything but clear? All the major guitar manufacturers deliver the same mass produced crap and then put jimmy page or eric clapton on the headstock and charge $$$$ the george harrison rosewood fender telecaster retails for $9000 and for that you get an american standard tele that retails for $600? lt's no longer about tone and playability rather convincing the public that there brand name is worth more than the guitar itself. |
Hello guitarsam. Are you related to Guitar George? If so I understand a cheap guitar is all you can afford. Do you know all the chords? Do you like to make it cry or sing?
If your guitars are better than Fenders and Gibsons, why don't you build them for resale. Could sell for more than Fenders and Gibsons and get rich. So why not line up a manufacturer to get it to the people!
A digital hater believes that when you record AAA vinyl to digital the digits somehow add a virus that destroys the authenticity of the performance. This occurs regardless of the sampling and bit rates used, so perhaps the DA converter or the clock is doing this evil deed. Once added this virus cannot be removed or reversed. So if you cut an LP from the digital signal the virus will infect the LP.
Digital lovers don't believe this. They believe that at high enough sampling and bit rates the digital sound will approximate extremely closely to the analogue curve beyond the ability of the ear to distinguish and that it's possible to design perfect clocks and DA converters.
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Sam here and ericvmp9 seems to be the only person who gets it when he
said "Sam, I got it right off the bat The vinyl has more crosstalk which I like"
so in ericvmp9 opinion i made digital audio sound like vinyl by applying the frequencies. More proof that i struck audio gold i now need to line up a manufacturer to get this to the people.
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I give up too and will be going back to the (turn)table and put on some records, wondering what the hell went wrong here......
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@guitarsam
Your logic doesn't make sense.
You're modifying a digital audio signal to sound more subjectively favorable to you, but then you "assume" your getting closer to vinyl AND you can't even compare/test to the sound of vinyl. What's your "assumption" based on? If it's based on gut feeling, then I don't believe it should be presented as a fact.
@mikelavigne
I feel for you - I foolishly allowed myself to get sucked into a cable naysayer discussion |
Sam, I got it right off the bat The vinyl has more crosstalk which I like. |
Visons of grandeur seem to be a trend around here these days. |
Kenjit May have taken up guitar... |
The reason is I choose not to.
If you think I am making things up that says more about you than me.
HEy guess what? I have witnesses! But I’m not telling you who they are. So keep on talking.... |
Mapman:
Didn't gather your reason/excuse for not listing your setup(s) from your response to my query.
And, yes...
I would relish pics (which include "dated" recent newspapers in them).
Sam's response is/was "expected".
DeKay
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I guess the train left me at the station a long time ago. When I want to recreate the sound of vinyl, I put a record on the TT.
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Sam here and people repond to my post because (1) they know that i'm serious and not trolling and (2) when they first read the post there common sense tries to kick in because my answer is so logical and then they shut it down because the truth flies in the face of every lie they were taught. You must keep an open mind and don't be afraid of change.There is better way of doing things and i'm leading the pack so get on my train or get left behind friends. |
Sam here and i made my own electric guitar because i believe the commercial guitars like gibson and fender don’t know how to make a guitar with the best tone besides if i can make a superior guitar why would a play something subpar. Nobody addresses the fact that my theory about frequencies which i proved is so mind blowing that nobody want’s to except what they know is true? There is a natural way of doing things that is superior than man made equipment. |
Oh well. There goes my credit score.
I have a lot of stuff. Tell me what you want to know. I’ll be happy to answer maybe even post links to pics if relevant to the thread. |
Mapman:
Why don't you list your setup/system?
I always have, and I give ZERO-CRED to posters who don't.
Same for you Guitar Sam...
Also what what guitars are you into (Sam) - if any?
DeKay
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Thanks guy's I haven't haven't laughed this hard for some time,
even the wife asked what's up and she usually ignores me.
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Never happen Vinyl is king. |
Any good quality Analog to digital converter operating at CD resolution will produce a copy that sounds like original. I Convert my vinyl to digital all the time. Never fails.
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You can make an indinguishable copy On an $800 Tascam DSD recorder.
Well maybe not you Sam. |
i'm either losing my mind
nothing 'either' about it. |
Sam here and you push the button because it make perfect common sense and if you listen to the audio samples it should be clear that my theory is correct how else can you explain my results i'm either losing my mind or i'm onto something big all important discoverys come when you think outside the box friends. |
I'm pushing my move button .... |
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Interesting theory. In college I took Psych and participated in several studies. It was a long time ago but one had something to do with pushing a button. That's all, just push the button. They had some instructions, sure, but all I remember any more was sitting there ten minutes pushing this button. At first I thought well it must do something. But after a couple pushes I decided no its not doing anything this is stupid and so just sat there the rest of the time. But every once in a while even though I was really sure it was a total waste of time, once in a while I would still push the damn button.
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why do i keep opening these silly threads even though i know better?
what is the over/under on how many stupid vinyl/digital threads Sam will open before he is ignored completely?
what is the ’mean’ IQ of this forum?
and i'm not calling Sam 'stupid'; i'm sure this is some sort of doctoral thesis research on internet forum tolerance limits. |
This reminds me of the story about the ants and the dinner table. It goes something like this: by accident some ants discover a table filled with food of all kinds. After their initial exitement they start thinking about how to tell the ’folks back home’ in the colony about their discovery and after some deliberation they decide to draw a map of the table with detailed sketches of all that delicious food. When they get home they tell the others about their discovery and show them the map. The colony then gathers around the map and starts discussing all the marvels to be seen on it and what it might taste like. They get so immersed in this interpretation game, none of them can be persuaded to follow the scouts back to the food table and taste it for themselves. After a while the scouts give up and go back to the table and eat what they can, wondering what the hell went wrong.....
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You can’t if the album originally recorded and mastered in analog (mastertape or direct to disc). Pressing also very important. The best way to play those albums is analog way (not digital). You need a proper analog equipment (cartridge, tonearm, turntable, phono stage ...).
But you can make a good digital copy, it will never be the same as the original press. |
