There's just no way I'm spending Big Buck$ on cables/speaker wire.... |
Joeylawn36111,
Did someone tell you HAVE to spend big bucks? You can do any damn thing you please, big bucks, little bucks OR no bucks at all!
BTW: What's big bucks to me could be small potatoes to someone else so that's all relative. |
"Does a $5,000 dollar watch tell time any better than a 30 dollar watch?"
The simple answer is no. Actually the $30 watch will be + or - about 15 seconds per month where a mechanical (a real watch) will be + or - app. 10 seconds per day, depending upon variables. Would you notice this difference without testing on a watch timer? (Witschi) No.
I grew up in the Antique business and was a Watchmaker for many years. I have only vintage watches. I choose a watch for the day, give it some winds and set it. Am I synchronized with GMT standard? Not unless I happened to get very lucky. Is it important to me? no.
Will the Rolex keep better time with the installation of a Diamond Bezel? Again, obviously no.
Now the $30 dollar cable could possibly sound better than the $5,000 dollar cable in a particular given system.
Now, would a diamond encrusted cable sound better...... ? |
04-10-13: Isochronism
"Does a $5,000 dollar watch tell time any better than a 30 dollar watch?"
The simple answer is no. Actually the $30 watch will be + or - about 15 seconds per month where a mechanical (a real watch) will be + or - app. 10 seconds per day, depending upon variables. Would you notice this difference without testing on a watch timer? (Witschi) No.
I grew up in the Antique business and was a Watchmaker for many years. I have only vintage watches. I choose a watch for the day, give it some winds and set it. Am I synchronized with GMT standard? Not unless I happened to get very lucky. Is it important to me? no.
Will the Rolex keep better time with the installation of a Diamond Bezel? Again, obviously no.
Now the $30 dollar cable could possibly sound better than the $5,000 dollar cable in a particular given system.
Now, would a diamond encrusted cable sound better...... ?
Isochronism (Answers | This Thread) You're missing the point, expensive watches are accessories similar to a necklace, bracelet, designer clothing ... some call it style. A bad analogy with cable. |
a kia and a porsche do the same thing..drive you from point A to point B...is the experience different...HELL YES. the better the systen the easier it is to hear differences in cable additions / subtractions.a Timex and a Rolex ARE different. yes ..both tell time but the Rolex is a piece of jewelry. |
Bo1972 is absolutly correct! Cables do make your system come to life! If you think that your $30 cables are giving you a lifelike presentation of the music, then you have no idea what your hi-end audio system is capable of. It is as simple as that. |
Knghifi, I was merely answering the watch question. I appreciate inner beauty in life.
Peek inside a Patek Philippe. |
Soon I will give presentatiosn and I will film them professional on full HD. I will do them in english as well. I will tell also a lot about cables and what people can aspect what it does in your system. |
can someone explain why there have been 300 + posts in response to a thread whose subject is cable ?
at some point the horse is dead, along with the tangents and secants. |
03-22-13: Jmcgrogan2
LOL!!! The thread from hell that just won't die!!!
MrT, just because the horse is dead and it's rotten corpse has been sitting here decaying for a couple of months, doesn't mean new passersby's won't want to stop in to feast a little more. ;) |
I agree with waxwaves! ,,Cables are magic!, and I agree with Bo1972,cables make a system come to life! @ joeylawn36111,, Hi, there is no way I will spend very little on cables!, cables to me are the most important part of a system!,,, cables can either make your system or break your system! Happy listening! |
@ jmcgrogan2 ,LOL!, popcorn eanybody? let the cable wars resume!,, jmcgrogan2, do not let this thread die!, we have to have it!, LOL! |
Because cables are that important. Cables are the veins of your system. So your system can breath even better. it gives your system more air. |
04-10-13: Audiolabyrinth
@ jmcgrogan2, do not let this thread die!, we have to have it!, LOL! Why? Because human nature loves to watch a train wreck? The wreck happened a couple of months ago, all of the non-believers (Rok2id & Irvrobinson) have left the thread. What else is left to discuss? Just a bunch of guys standing around saying "I like cables"? LOL! Eventually ALL threads follow nature's course and go to their natural demise, just like humans and horses. :) |
@ jmcgrogan2,, You just made me laugh out of my chair!,, the context that your response was hilarious!,, all of sit around eanyway talking on these threads, whats the differance?,, you know I like the entertainment of this thread, no harm done, I like to laugh! cheers! |
04-10-13: Mrtennis
can someone explain why there have been 300 + posts in response to a thread whose subject is cable ? Good question, and probably needs an extensive investigation of the phenomenon. The topic of cables seems to greatly stimulate many Audiophiles’ senses to the point that this strong arousal cannot be controlled, and a lot of them have been known to lust for cables that are unobtainable. Even if they are obtainable, these reoccurring fantasies result in a poor relationship with their current system. Also, the compulsive desire leads to them becoming “cable junkies” and therapy may help, but relapse often occurs. Name for the investigation will be, “Cables and Severe Psychosis Or Trauma”, to be commonly known as the “C-Spot” study. |
@ t1s49,, thats a cool post! very funny!I do not know If I fall in that category,however, I love a great sounding cable! cheers! |
I almost forgot about this thread...NOT!!
@Jmcgrogan2, you're cracking me up right now...just read this. Jmcgrogan, has a super keen sense of humor folks in case your not very funny...:) You never fail to make me laugh or at least chuckle.
Audiolabyrinth, like me, loves cables and a good laugh. He loves his Tara Labs Zero Gold to be exact. So he, like Jmcgrogan2 and so many others here, knows what a great cable can do for an audio system...
Finally, We are all interested in cables and for good reason. Some of us Crazy about it??? Maybe, but a better way to say it is that we are "serious" about it. Serious about these serious cables. You should try it...Seriously. |
@ Waxwaves,, your last post made me chuckle! A great point made! cheers! |
Cables make audio more fun and better in quality. And wenn you understand them well you can get the peronal sound you are looking for. They give you extra control as well over your personal sound. It is just about personal taste. And cables can easilly help you with this. So yessss cables make life even better. I love them so much! |
Cheers!!!,,, Cables RuLE!,,, The Taralabs zero gold,omega gold is the most beutiful sounding cable I have ever heard, bar none!, this cable does it all! |
Dear Audiolabyrinth, cables are about real love! Friends for life. |
04-16-13: Audiolabyrinth
Cheers!!!,,, Cables RuLE!,,, The Taralabs zero gold,omega gold is the most beutiful sounding cable I have ever heard, bar none!, this cable does it all! Does it clean the house and cook dinner? Chauffeur you around town? Give you good financial advice? If it does all of that, I may have to seriously consider an investment into this Tara Labs Zero Gold, Omega Gold cable that you speak of. ;) |
Talk to many designers of gear and they all will tell you don't spend a lot on cables. Nuff said.
Does that mean you should not if you choose to and you enjoy the sound a certain cable will produce, no, this is a hobby and if you want to hear how the real recording sounded in the studio, well you better have the master tape on hand. LP or Digital cannot touch it.
What we are doing in a home system is building a system that sounds good to our ears and perception of good sound.
I like playing with cables for that reason. I can change the sound somewhat of my system without having to buy new gear. Inductance and impedance, and your gear all work together to give the final sound or interaction of a given cable to the one piece of equipment it is attached to. That is the big unknown and the fun of trying new cable. |
@ Bo1972, Thanks Bo, That meant alot coming from you with all you vast experience with cables!,, cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,, Thats funny you said that, at the cost of these cables, that I do not agree with, I believe they should do all that you said,LOL!,,,very good since of humor!,, you got a chuckle out of me!,,, thanks john,, Happy listening! |
What I did in the past was always an a-b comparison. Like a source with an inexpensive powercabele and a less expensive source with an expensive powercabel etc. Then a blind test and ask what people prefer. At the end it is just about the best sound. So keep it simple.....Your welcome Audiolabyrinth. |
Most designers do not know a lot about other brands. And they do not have a lot of experience with many different cables. I asked them many times about this. Many times I was surprised how little they knew. |
04-17-13: Phillyb
Talk to many designers of gear and they all will tell you don't spend a lot on cables. Nuff said. Do you take their opinion as unbiased? Obviously, they want you to spend your money on their equipment! In their opinion you can use a coat hanger to tie your gear together so that you can afford to move up their food chain and buy their more expensive offerings. There's always a trick. ;) |
I agree with jmcgrogan2!,, sorry Phillyb!,, I had a Krell authorized repair shop tell me to use studio cables!,LOL!,,,cheers! |
"Do you take their opinion as unbiased? Obviously, they want you to spend your money on their equipment! In their opinion you can use a coat hanger to tie your gear together so that you can afford to move up their food chain and buy their more expensive offerings. There's always a trick. ;)"
And companies that sell high-priced cables aren't doing the same thing? |
I think I see the problem here. I may actually be able to settle this whole debate. (Although I wouldn't bet on that.)
High end audio is a hobby/interest. Like any such activity there are all levels of knowledge an skill. Generally speaking, really expensive audio products, cables or otherwise, are meant for people who know what they want and know what they are doing. This has nothing to do with being a snob or having a lot of money.
Where most people in audio go wrong is that they circumvent learning from experience with learning from magazine reviews and other peoples opinions. There's no substitute for setting up and evaluating an audio system yourself. Read all the magazines you want, take all the math classes you want, and listen to all the people you want, and you still wont know all that much about getting good sound. The reason for that is its a subjective process. Everyone wants something different.
In the beginning of my post I said I may be able to end the discussion. (I'm not actually suggesting that people should stop talking or comments shouldn't be made. I just want to help with all the confusion). The way to get cables right is to learn by listening, in the context of what your experience level is and your system. If you can't tell if a cable is good or not, or even worth the money, you have no business buying it. Its just that simple. You need to do the evaluation and make the decision yourself; every time. Anything less than that and you are just asking for problems. You may argue things like, "theres no local dealer", or "I don't have the time" or "I don't have the experience" or "It'll take too long to build the system that way". I'm sorry but thats just the way it goes.
Think of it like this. I'm a skier. I can read all the ski reviews I want but I take the time to get demo skis and head out to the mountain. I try the skis in every possible situation to make sure they do what I need them to do and I'll be safe in the process. I could just take the easy way out and buy the best rated skis and go to the top of a steep mountain and see what happens. If I lose control and smack right into a tree, who's fault will it be? Mine. Not only that, I deserve it for being so stupid in the first place. Same thing with audio. |
04-21-13: Old_6eyes
And companies that sell high-priced cables aren't doing the same thing? I never said that, cable companies play the same game. My point was why take one used car salesman's word with higher regard than the other used car salesman? They are all playing to their own best interests. |
@ zd542,, very good point made!, I enjoyed the context you put things!, self explainatory!,, cheers! |
why is the question generating so many responses.
it seems the dead horse has been killed several times.
the number of responses seems to me totally out of proportion to the subject.
if companies exaggerate the claims of their products, the consumer will eventually find out and the company will lose business.
is audiogon an outlet for audio "yentaism" ? |
Anyone remember the old Tales from the Crypt with the cable guy? Abel with the cable? Would be a good slogan. |
@ Bjesien,, Ha, Ha!, Thats Hilarious!, I like to read and laugh, thankyou, very enjoyable post you posted! |
Audiolabyrinth,
I think you get more enjoyment out of this site than anyone. Did you see the thread with the washing machine. I laughed so hard I thought I cracked a rib. I'm still sore and its been 2 days. |
@ Zd542,, Are you serious?,, Forreal?, Where do I find that thread? thankyou, cheers! |
The thread is: DOES YOUR EQUIPMENT KEEP GOING?. The OP gives a link to a youtube video. |
If you want another good laugh, check out my post at the thread,
"Best drink while listening to your rig?" |
Anyone in the mood to kill again the old topics of why generous amounts of negative feedback and high damping factors are good . . . or bad? |
@ Tls49, Hi, can you post me a direct link to both of these threads, I cannot seem to find them, thankyou, cheers! |
@ tls49,, I figured it out and went to all the threads!, very funny and cool! thankyou, can you come up with more?,, cheers! |
Where is the dilema!, popcorn for crying out loud!,, Bring it on!, somebody, give me entertainment!, cheers! |
lets not forget possibly the CHEAPEST improvement in your WHOLE system... and out side in the world..
a PROFESSIONAL EAR CLEANING!:) |
Ha,Ha! glad somebody stepped up to the plate!, Thanks for the laugh Rolling18!! Happy listening! |
Don't spend $$ on a professional ear cleaning! Save that $$ for audio gear!!! LOL! A bottle of Hydrogen Peroxide solution will do the trick for $2....;) Now let's upgrade! LOL! |
Audiolabyrinth,
I thought the Rokhead was bad. Don't take this the wrong way, but it just might be time for you to take your meds. Or maybe you should stop taking them. Or get different ones. Or something.
I should have mentioned this before, but you may want to check out the web site computeraudiophile.com. If you like arguments and insults pertaining to anything involving high end audio, this is your website. You should be able to occupy yourself for hours over there. |
@ zd542,, I am sorry, you have taken me the wrong way!, I hate and dispise arguments of audio!, I will not involve myself in that!, I do not like insults toward me or toward eany body else!, I try to carry myself like a gentleman and expect the same in return, zd542, I just like to laugh and kid around and have a little fun with everyone!, no insults!, I like to here jokes told to me or get bewildered by what someone thinks, like cables don't make a difference!, now that is funny!, cheers! |
