what!come back!what are you people doing!do not leave!popcorn rules! |
fellas,to me this is funny,where is tobb,the guy that started this thread?got the xxxx out of dodge I suppose?LOL!cheers! |
@ L1anger,the answer to your last post is YES! |
Ok,lets get the entertainment back,cables are the most important part of a system! |
@ Tls49, Hi, can you post me a direct link to both of these threads, I cannot seem to find them, thankyou, cheers! |
Where is the dilema!, popcorn for crying out loud!,, Bring it on!, somebody, give me entertainment!, cheers! |
Ha,Ha! glad somebody stepped up to the plate!, Thanks for the laugh Rolling18!! Happy listening! |
@ Zd542, See what I am talking about!, look at waxwaves post!,I like to have humor in my life!, everyone does not have to be so serious all the time!,, cheers for waxwaves! |
@ Nyaudio98, Hi, Glad to see that you have the same sentiments as I do!, Cables make a difference!, cheers! |
@ knghifi and waxwaves,I agree knghifi,hopefully rok2id did get a new perspective,,waxwaves,I could not have made a better post 3-7-13 myself!,you hit the nail on the head!very good explanation!you have my best respects!,As a matter of fact,one of us should start a new thread saying what jmcgrogan2 recommended!,I would be there everyday!,we may be able to teach cable hatters about cables!cheers! |
This debate is hilarous! I have been in this bussiness for 25 years! even the wife of 2 years who knows nothing of cables watched a test to educate her with quality cables versus .50 i/c 1.00 afoot speaker cable and taking all the price points up from there to $24,000.00 8ft speaker cables and $16,000.00 I/C 1-meter, needless to say she learned alot,she is a beginner at that!outcome,a good brand of cables are the most important part of a system bar none!,,such as TaraLabs,purist audio,nordost,lessloss,kimber cables,k.s.elations,transparent cables,It really depends on your tast!,for instance, A person may like a ferrari and another a laborginni, they both are good,but one performs to what the buyer is looking for! |
@ Rok2id,no my entire system cost $70,000.00 ,not the cables!,thou the cables did cost more than the componets,as time gos,I can move up the componet food chain and not worry about changing cables ever!cheers! |
Hi Bo1972, you know I have to agree with you once more!,your post from 2-18-13 here,,this forum is kida, wow!are you kidding!, you know what I mean Bo?I soppose there is alot of people out there that have not been exposed to all the possiblitys of cables like the both of us have Bo!happy listening! |
@ rok2id,Hi, I do not want to make you angry like some of the other people on this forum,so please excuse me,It seems no one wants to be honest with you cause they are being respectful of you as I will be,cables do make a huge difference,to me they should out perform the componets and speakers thus costing more than the system if you will,here is the problem thou,you have to have a very resolving,very high-end system of at least $10,000.00 and up to here the effects of your better,trusted,brands of cables out there,,my system is near $70,000.00, mostly the high cost of cables,they are that important to me,do I agree with the cost of esoteric cables?,of course not!,or alot of other things such as speakers,the system you have is a hi-fi system that you will in no way hear what good quality cables can do,It is not a high-end system and that is the problem, not a good brand of cables such as, Taralabs,nordost,stealth audio,transparent,lessloss,purist audio,kimber cable,synjestic research,there is a few more to name,but I believe these will do,I know it takes money and time to obtain a real high-end system,LoL,exspensive hobby!,I do not wish disrespect to you sir,and I am not bashing what you have ither,I feel someone needed to tell you this about the system you are trying to hear cable differences with,you will not!,you have to obtain a quality amp like Krell,passlabs,audioresearch,boulder,just to name a few,the amp is a good start!,as a matter of fact,if you had eanyone of these amps and use what you have,well,to put it in better words and use one of the brands of cables I mentioned above,you will be shocked to say the least of what cables really do!,as I said,please excuse me and I'm sorry if I intimidated you in eany way sir,,Happy listening to all! |
@ IRvRobinson,Hi,I am glad you are in this thread!,I thought the thread was coming to a demise,you have breathed new life back in this thread!,thankyou! |
@ chayro, thankyou!,for the 2-23-13 post,I feel I fall under those guidlines!,cheers! |
The thing I love about this forum,It is alive and well!I do like talking to all of you!no matter the differences,It is just a hobby!,We can all agree on the fact we love music!,or we would not be here talking to each other,to me ,thats cool! |
@ Rok2id,thankyou,for the excuse me of your out burst toward me,no harm or anamosity against you,you are passoniate at what you believe,now to everyone,I know cables are system dependent!,at the cost of cables that I bought into,I do not change cables for componets!,I change componets to match the synergy of the cables!,LOL!,the cables are to exspensive to do other wise,I love the sound of taralabs cables!,I have been buying them for 25 years!,if a componet does not sound good with such an esoteric wire such as the taralabs zero gold that I do have,that componet no longer is in my system,or say,the nordost odin,again,that componet is history!,Its the same as buying cables to match a componet,I just do it differently,The zero and odin are very nuetral and ruthlessly revealing!,if there is something wrong with the sound,it most likely is not the cables!,these types of cables will reveal the weakest part of a system!,or expose poor recordings!,I do not waste money on taking a gamble on a componet that may or may not sound good on the cables I am useing,Its a very thought out process,I make sure the componet works with the cables before I buy the componet!,with this caliber of cables,my statement,I will not have to change cables ever!,Its the end game for me with cables,They cost to much!,and I do not agree that fricken cables should cost this much!,but to better my sound to what I am looking for,I had to pay the cost!,I have no regrets! the sound is very real sounding to anyone who has ever listened to my system!,A toast to all!,cheers! |
@ Jimyork,thankyou!very agreeable! |
@ jmcgrogan2 and nonoise, thankyou gentlemen,I can tell the both of you are seasoned audiophiles to know what I do and why!,happy listening to all! |
where is rok2id?,regardless of the difference in opinion,he kept this forum rolling along!Tell him to come back!,I miss the entertainment!,I respect his passion for what he believes!,I thought my last post would snag him to post something,If you see this post rok2id,I enjoyed your posting in this thread!cheers! |
@ Zd542, look! jmcgrogan2 gave us an answer to who does do this! cheers! |
@ knghifi,Hi,what do you use for cables? |
@ frogman,Hi, What are the cables you have? |
@ jmcgrogan2,LOL!,I miss the debates,but I do not want to be the one in it,just make a subtle comment here and there and watch the entertainment with popcorn for real, LOL!,I do not have the balls to say what you recommended I should say,man-o-man I would not want that wrath on my head!,LOL! |
@ nonoise,Hi,what do you use for cables? |
Wow!I like this thread,entertaining to say the least!,thou I can tell who are well seasoned audiophiles and been exposed to alot of equipment and cables,you know who you are,we have spoke or complimented each other on this thread,you gentlemen that have a vast knowledge of the hi-end audio I enjoy talking to!the rest is pure entertainment,like jmcgrogan2 said,going out for popcorn,In my case I have allready poped the popcorn to get ready to read this forum,LOL,so I will not miss A beat,now thats entertainment!happy listening! |
@ frogman and knghifi,I was currious to know the cables the both of you use,Thankyou gentlemen for answering my request,very outstanding cables you both have indeed! |
@ nonoise,I do not believe I have heard of this cable brand you have,correct me if I am wrong,the brand is called mapleshade?,this is new to me and I love learning of new products!,never heard of zu audio ither,I will try to research on computer when I get time latter today,that is better than putting you thru explaining the sound,how they are made,where,etc...,thankyou for answering my request.cheers! |
where is the debate?,did we win! |
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wow!now things are stirred up!popcorn eanybody!,Its not that I want to argue,cause I will not!,I enjoy to hear both sides of a debate as long as it does not turn nasty!,I will put thousands of dollars on a bet to any one who can not hear a difference between Taralabs zero gold,nordost odin, and cheap cables that the none believers can produce!,first I may check medical records on their hearing and hearing aides first!LOL!,my opinion,I would not spend as much money on cables that I have unless I heard a difference,after all,Its my money!happy listening! |
Wow!,man-o-man did I miss the party!,I was tied up a couple of days,poped some popcorn and read both sides of the debate here,I have a financial incentive,,I will bet thousands of dollars that anybody that can not hear a difference between Taralabs zero gold,nordost odin against whatever cables that a non believer that cables do not make a difference can produce!,these two cables are in a group that is the best available,the differences between these cables and whatever else that can be produced by a nonbeliever will not be subtle!,It would be like going from an rca all in one box stereo system to a Dan D Agistino momentum mono block amplifier at $42,500 a pair!,again the differences will not be subtle!more like huge to say the least!,if anyone would say,how does he know?,lets just say I have lived with these world class cables before and lived with the rca and many of Dan D Agistino engineered products and $1.00 to $10.00 a foot cables. Irvrobinson and rok2id,welcome back to the thread,thankyou for keeping the thread alive and well,thou I did not start it,It is interesting and entertaining,cheers and happy listening to all! |
@ chayro,Hi,I was a professional musician for years my self!,good cables even make a difference on microphones versus cheap ones,I know I was the singer!,thou not as a big of difference than with cables for high-end audio systems!,@ rok2id,To tell you the truth I like Belden cables!,They are very good for the money,back in 1997 I had a krell fpb 200 amplifier that came stock with a beldin a/c power cord,me and some friends put alot of money together to rent alot of after market a/c power cords from the cable company,I recall we rented 5 different brands at the $600.00 price point,cables are very system dependent!,on that krell amp,the beldin stock cord was better sounding in every way!,the other cables sounded like crap!,still here, we have a difference in the sound of cables!,rok2id you have a good cable for the pricepoint you paid!,better than alot of cables costing a little more!,obviously you had to have heard a difference with the blue jean beldin cables versus lowes hardware store brand cables,I believe this,you bought the blue jean beldin cables..cheers,and happy listening to all! |
It seems that every one missed my post!3-10-13 @chayro,the main part of the post was directed @ rok2id,whatever!I will say my facts again that is the forum buster for non believers,Hi Irvrobinson,I believe you hear just fine!,you have after market high-end audio cables on your system,obviously you had to hear a difference with the cables you have versus lowes hardware store brand cables,I believe this,you bought the high-end cables you have!,The samething can be said about Rok2id,He has the Beldin Blue jean cables,HE hears fine as well!again,Obviously he had to hear a difference between the Blue jean beldin cables versus lowes hardware store brand of cables,again,I believe this!,He bought the blue jean beldin cables,It does not take science to see between the lines here!,they hear cable sound differences just fine!however,I believe they take the stance that they do, is they do not agree with the high cost of cables such as mine!,believe me when I say this,I do not agree with the high cost of cables myself!,Irv and rok,unfortunally I had to pay the cost of admission!the pay off is incredible to say the very least!,no not all high priced cables are worth the money,I agree!the same can be said about componets,lord knows I have seen my share of modest priced componets,speakers,cables,etc..blow the doors off of some multi thousands of dollar equipment out there,its not common,but it happens,to tell you two gentlemen the truth,I got very lucky that my cables are in the few out there that are the best available,I am blessed from God above to have a system period that I have, and I thank him daily for what he has given me!,the synergy between the system and the cables I have,to me of course,Is flawless!,I know the both of you gentlemen do not want to believe what I am about to say next,My sound would not be possible without the cables I have!,very emotional,chills running rampid all over a listeners body with tears of joy flying about,The music is so real sounding!IMHO!,the reason I expressed this to you gentlemen is I have never had eanybody over my house after the listening experience of my system that believe cables do not make a difference!A toast to all,cheers! |
@ mrtennis,there is nothing oc about wanting music to sound as real as possible,I call it love for music,someone buys a ferrai loves driving performance,for me,it is the same.cheers! |
It seems that every one missed my post!3-10-13 @chayro,the main part of the post was directed @ rok2id,whatever!I will say my facts again that is the forum buster for non believers,Hi Irvrobinson,I believe you hear just fine!,you have after market high-end audio cables on your system,obviously you had to hear a difference with the cables you have versus lowes hardware store brand cables,I believe this,you bought the high-end cables you have!,The samething can be said about Rok2id,He has the Beldin Blue jean cables,HE hears fine as well!again,Obviously he had to hear a difference between the Blue jean beldin cables versus lowes hardware store brand of cables,again,I believe this!,He bought the blue jean beldin cables,It does not take science to see between the lines here!,they hear cable sound differences just fine!however,I believe they take the stance that they do, is they do not agree with the high cost of cables such as mine!,believe me when I say this,I do not agree with the high cost of cables myself!,Irv and rok,unfortunally I had to pay the cost of admission!the pay off is incredible to say the very least!,no not all high priced cables are worth the money,I agree!the same can be said about componets,lord knows I have seen my share of modest priced componets,speakers,cables,etc..blow the doors off of some multi thousands of dollar equipment out there,its not common,but it happens,to tell you two gentlemen the truth,I got very lucky that my cables are in the few out there that are the best available,I am blessed from God above to have a system period that I have, and I thank him daily for what he has given me!,the synergy between the system and the cables I have,to me of course,Is flawless!,I know the both of you gentlemen do not want to believe what I am about to say next,My sound would not be possible without the cables I have!,very emotional,chills running rampid all over a listeners body with tears of joy flying about,The music is so real sounding!IMHO!,the reason I expressed this to you gentlemen is I have never had eanybody over my house after the listening experience of my system that believe cables do not make a difference!A toast to all,cheers! |
@ Irvrobinson,how in the world did you know I was drinking coffee when I made the post you reposted?,LOL!,the reason I sent two was not the caffeine intake,some of my post seem like they did not make it here,so,I wanted to make sure you and rok2id read what I wanted to make clear,thats all. happy listening! |
@ Irvrobinson,how in the world did you know I was drinking coffee when I made the post you reposted?,LOL!,the reason I sent two was not the caffeine intake,some of my post seem like they did not make it here,so,I wanted to make sure you and rok2id read what I wanted to make clear,thats all. happy listening! |
Where are you at pops?disclose your experience with cables! |
Where are you at pops?disclose your experience with cables! |
Hi everyone,I like some of what is being said here,you know the misleading and all the crap specifications that don't matter!,I do not have experience with analysis plus cables,however,I have seen a couple of members of the gon reccently not care alot about there foward sound they described that happened in their systems,ok,you know what?,automobile companys do the same, misleading the public!the fricken goverment is notorios for the same thing,you will have more misrepresentation with almost everything,a pair of pliers are pliers,opps,these are made in china!,guess what?,they wont be pliers very long,LOL!,you really can not base the cable industry as a whole on the findings of a particular cable company like analysis plus!,tell you what!read the papers on taralabs zero gold i/c,taralabs onyx i/c,taralabs omega gold speaker cables,and why you are doing that call all the reviewers liars when you see hundreds of positive reviews and awards thats been reposted on the Taralabs site!,like,the zero gold i/c componet of the year 2012,by the absolute sound! magazine!,their white papers make since on top of that!yes you will be stunned!,thanyou gentlemen for your time. |
@ zd542, your 3-27-13 post was hilarious!,I would have done the same!cables are a real significance for high-end audio!Happy listening! |
@ frogman,Well said my friend!,now @ jymc,I am a proffessional musician!,lets get that out of the way!,I will explain this situation like you have never heard before,yes studios use the likes of mogami cables,and they sound good!,here is the problem musicians and studios do not realize!,and what I am about to say needs to be spread all over audiogon!,and who said it!,now,since the source is as real as it gets,the origination of the music that is recorded,the mogami cables is all that is required,by the time the music at hand is recorded and put on a record or cd,it loses the integrity!,the music in no way sounds the way the muscians sounded live!,that being said,we,the audiophiles have to make up for this loss in the recording,this is why it is required that we have a much better quality cables than what is used in the studio!cheers! |
@ waxwaves,Wow! well said!you dropped the bomb!,if you guys listen to eanybody,understand what he just explained!very,very,awsome!,3-23-13 post by waxwaves! |
@ Lianger,If they are Taralabs $5,000.00 cables,there is no comparision to a $30.00 cable,tast?,a little humor I suppose!,A $5,000.00 Tara cable is a better sounding cable than almost eanything out there at twice the price as this! |
I agree with waxwaves! ,,Cables are magic!, and I agree with Bo1972,cables make a system come to life! @ joeylawn36111,, Hi, there is no way I will spend very little on cables!, cables to me are the most important part of a system!,,, cables can either make your system or break your system! Happy listening! |
@ jmcgrogan2 ,LOL!, popcorn eanybody? let the cable wars resume!,, jmcgrogan2, do not let this thread die!, we have to have it!, LOL! |
@ jmcgrogan2,, You just made me laugh out of my chair!,, the context that your response was hilarious!,, all of sit around eanyway talking on these threads, whats the differance?,, you know I like the entertainment of this thread, no harm done, I like to laugh! cheers! |
@ t1s49,, thats a cool post! very funny!I do not know If I fall in that category,however, I love a great sounding cable! cheers! |
