02-17-13: Rok2id Yes, I did, and quite frankly, they wreak of bitterness and jealousy. If you are content with your $69 Timex, relax and enjoy life. Don't fret and blow up when others say their Tag Heuer's and Rolex's are better. You will never convince them otherwise, and your efforts only make you seem bitter and resentful at how they spend their money. Just pop a cold one and chillax. |
I believe Analysis Plus does this free promotion with musicians and studios marketing. |
@Audiolabyrinth, that is an interesting concept, I don't think I've ever heard of someone that tunes their system around their cables. I'm not saying it is wrong, only different. There are many different paths to arrive at the same location. Many times folks are accused of using cables as 'tuning devices' or 'band-aids'. In this case you are using the gear as a 'tuning device' or 'band-aid'. Since we all tune a system to suit our individual tastes. I find that many folks who swear by 'transparent' cables, use 'warm' components. While those that use 'warm' cables are using 'transparent' components. Like I said, their are many paths to get where you want to go. Enjoy. |
Audiolabyrinth, this thread has run it's course, as all threads eventually do, but rest assured, there will be others, and Rok and his crew shall return. If you miss the battle that much maybe you should start a thread that says anyone who can't hear differences in cables does not belong on audio forums. That should stir up the hornets nest again. ;) |
This is for Irvrobinson. Enjoy. |
Well you speak of these 'men' as if they were 'gods' Rok. As if they know all that there is to know. As in 'turn out the lights, there is nothing more that we can learn/understand'. IMHO, science is ever-evolving. As the human mind grows, so does science. Science cannot explain everything yet, however, folks like you and Irv do not realize that. You feel that everything there is to know is already known. Maybe that is why many here feel that naysayers are close-minded. Science is a wonderful tool for all of mankind, forgive me if I do not worship at the foot of the altar or become a member of your cult of scientology. Just because science cannot explain why folks hear differences in 2013, does not mean science will not have a better understanding of human hearing in 2113. Have some faith in the human mind Rok! You may not believe it, but we will continue to gain knowledge of our world and universe as time marches on. Pass the popcorn please.... |
Waxwaves, some folks just enjoy a good argument. There are people out there who simply enjoy taking a contrary view in life. I've found folks out there like that. No matter what you say, they will take the opposite stance. This one guy I'll never forget, he used to track me down and try to befriend me. Everything we talked about turned into an argument. His named was Richard, but he enjoyed being called "Dick", which he was, and revealed in the glow. I did my best to avoid him, but I also noticed he was like this with everyone else he met too, it wasn't just me. Then I realized that some folks just enjoy being agitators in life, it's how they have their *fun*. It's a crazy world we live in. |
03-09-13: Audiolabyrinth Easy there big fella, you do understand that if you don't want to hear differences, you won't. Hell, for thousands of dollars, I would tell you that I couldn't hear any difference either. ;) |
I have several friends in the audio world who believe as you do, and have brought over Audioquest, Cardas, and Nordost cables. They all claim to have heard huge differences in my system, before and after. I couldn't tell the difference. Of course I wasn't expecting any differences, they all were. Funny how that worked out. So we are all the same, we all hear what we choose to beleive. Believe you will hear differences, and you will hear differences. Believe that you will not hear differences, and you will not hear differences. |
04-10-13: Audiolabyrinth Why? Because human nature loves to watch a train wreck? The wreck happened a couple of months ago, all of the non-believers (Rok2id & Irvrobinson) have left the thread. What else is left to discuss? Just a bunch of guys standing around saying "I like cables"? LOL! Eventually ALL threads follow nature's course and go to their natural demise, just like humans and horses. :) |
04-16-13: Audiolabyrinth Does it clean the house and cook dinner? Chauffeur you around town? Give you good financial advice? If it does all of that, I may have to seriously consider an investment into this Tara Labs Zero Gold, Omega Gold cable that you speak of. ;) |
04-17-13: Phillyb Do you take their opinion as unbiased? Obviously, they want you to spend your money on their equipment! In their opinion you can use a coat hanger to tie your gear together so that you can afford to move up their food chain and buy their more expensive offerings. There's always a trick. ;) |
My wife and kids don't give me strange looks anymore, they have adapted to my insanity. My wife will allow that my system sounds 'very nice' if pushed, but I know that she thinks it is a huge waste of money on the inside. So we just don't talk about it. I guess she feels the same way about my audio system as I feel about her wardrobe. Her clothes look very nice, but she spends waaaaay too much money on them. LOL!! The kids, they just don't get it.....an iPod is all the music that anyone needs in their opinion. So we are audio nuts....who cares??? |
Hi Mitch2, I bet those Clayton M-300 amps sound incredible. I bet they have your AA 9 speakers in a vise-grip! I owned a pair of Clayton Audio M-100 monoblock amps a few years back, and IMHO, Wilson Shen and Stan Klyne are two of the best solid state designers in the business. I regret selling them. Steve McCormack does very good work as well. Those three men put out products that consistently embarrass many more expensive, better advertised solid state gear. |
@Bo1972, I have found that more audio/video websites despise cables than those that discuss differences. Audiogon is one of the few where cable differences are allowed to be discussed. There are still a couple of naysayers here who pop up from time to time, but this site certainly isn't overrun by naysayers as the majority of other sites are. |
@Bo1972, there are many out there who believe in listening with their eyes. They let specifications tell them what they can and cannot hear. Go figure. The funny thing is that I do not care about changing their perception of cables, but they seem hell bent on changing my perception of cables. I tend to just avoid those sites. |
Interesting review Mr T, however, I will still hold out on the High Fidelity cables due to my experiences with Virtual Dynamics cables. From your description, they sound fairly similar, but what really bothered me about the VD cables was their immediate presentation. They threw a very large, 2 dimensional soundstage, that had no depth at all. I felt like I was immediately transported to the front row of the event, with the band/orchestra playing right in my face. I prefer a more laid back, 3 dimensional soundstage presentation, more like a mid-hall seat. Don't get me wrong, I would be willing to listen to these cables if someone wants to let me listen to them for free. LOL!! |
Rok2id, I agree with Zd542 here, you come off sounding like you have an ax to grind. Maybe you should go back on your meds, or at least stay away from Audiogon threads if they agitate you that much. I was reading an article yesterday about Rafael Nadal's new $690,000 watch, and at no point did I find myself running around screaming that his watch was no different than my $69 Timex. That is how rational people behave. They allow others the freedom to choose items that do not interest them. Seriously dude, chillax, before you pop a blood vessel and have a stroke. |
LOL! In the audio field, many 'technically astute' people believe that digital is superior to analog, that solid state is superior to tubes and that cables make no difference. There are also 'tecnically astute' people, like Ralph and Al, that do hear audible differences between source formats, tubes/SS and cables. So an astute individual would know that they can't make blanket statements as immature as that (my sides more 'educated', na na na foo foo). I agree with Jimyork's post on 2-23-13: "The same kind of discussions go on between Democrats and Republicans". There is no right or wrong here, only differences of opinions. Each side believing that the 'facts' support their claim, neither side listening to or changing the other sides perspective. So what's the point? Entertainment? Is that what this is? Entertainment? Pass the popcorn..... |
03-08-13: Irvrobinson That is an interesting twist you used there Irv. I've always associated the cable non-believers with the flat earth scientist. Since they are the ones who limit their minds to the boundries of what present day science can explain. Cable believers are more like those who thought the earth to be round before science could catch up and prove it. There will always be conservative folks, people who are bound to beliefs that have been tried and true from past learnings. There will also always be liberals, folks who believe that we should not limit our minds to what is currently known, that there are still worlds out there that remain unexplored. These two types differ in all facets of life, not just on audio forums. There really is no use arguing, since so few of us are weak-minded enough to be easily swayed in either direction. I just wanted to clarify who the true 'flat earthers' are here, and that would be those that beleive what their eyes tell them about the current limited knowledge of human hearing. I believe the human capacity to learn is an ongoing concept, not a finished work. Maybe it's because I suffer from health afflictions that modern science has not learned how to identify or correct yet. I do not feel alone, for thousands of years humans have suffered from real illness' that medical science could not explain or cure in their times. Science is limited by what the human mind can currently understand and explain. Science is ever-evolving, no matter how many flat earthers tell me what I can or cannot see, hear, taste, smell or feel. I have my own scientific measuring tools, one on either side of my head. :) |
03-09-13: Rok2id That explains why the world is free of hunger and disease. Thanks to these wonderful, all-knowing men of medicine and science, no one has to fear cancer or any affliction anymore. LOL!!! What a tool!!! |
03-08-13: Irvrobinson Here Irv, you are implying that if it cannot be measured, it cannot be heard. So don't say that you and Rok aren't making any implications or statements about science being your master. We say if it can be heard but not measured, science hasn't figured out what to measure yet. I can take two speakers that measure the same, yet they will not sound the same, why is that? Science can't explain that..........yet. |
05-19-13: Mresseguie Oh-oh......Alice has just fallen down the rabbit hole! Buckle up for a long, strange trip! LOL! In all seriousness, I find it interesting that a power cord started this process for you. For most, myself included, finding changes in cables comes first, followed by experimenting with power cords. I concur that power cords are a trip unto themselves....welcome to Wonderland!! LOL!! |
07-05-13: Mental Keep in mind that there are many paths to audio nirvana, and Audiolabyrinth's is but one path. It works for him, and that's great, but don't fall for anyone telling you there is only one way to reach musical heaven. I've read many different opinions about many different paths over the last decade or more on these forums, some have worked, many have not. Many are simple hobbyists, while some have hidden agendas. Buyer beware. Trust your own ears, don't believe the hype. |
