Cable Enthusiasts. When it comes to cables it’s about quality and matching. THOUGHTS?


I recently had a customer demo the Infigo vs. the Shunyata Omega. He gave me feedback. I have had customers go from Shunyata to Infigo.  He claimed that in his system that the Shunyata Omega was better . He proceeded to tell me it wasn’t close.  I proceeded to tell him one of my first customers heard our Infigo in his very expensive system and proceeded to purchase a whole loom of our Infigo because it sounded better in his system than the Shunyata and that customer said it wasn’t even close. The Infigo cables were better. I explained to him that your amps, dacs, and speakers will require different things depending on your combination. Also the cables also must be of good quality. That’s why I give free demos.  All cables are not for all systems. Properly shielded and good materials. Just my opinion. What are your thoughts?  I’m with Infigo Full disclosure.  

calvinj

I tend to agree that cables are variable, just like all audio components. You can have the best speakers in the world but if the room isn’t a good match (maybe too big, too small, whatever) it won’t make a great combination. Same with amplifiers which much match the speakers or you won’t have a good time.

A cable might be far better than the rest in one system, but not necessarily the best match in every single system. That's part of the reason why it can be hard to gain consensus on audio gear. Everyone hears things differently and has their own priorities which makes things more complex, but also they may actually be hearing different results based on system matching. So it's tough to say. 

@v-fi agreed.  I tell people that.   Everyone is not going to like every cable. It depends on your room and equipment and what your system needs. It just depends. 

Same as everything in audio, it’s always subjective, and the synergy is different on different components.  Good materials, connectors, dielectric, shielding, design, etc., is only a starting point.  You always have to listen to cables on your rig to find out how they sound. 

A good cable can't be depended on systems. That's a biased ear statement. A better cable always sounds better than inferior sound cables in any systems.

The audio system plays to sound the original music. The better cable sounds closer to the original music in any system. If one hears that a inferior cable (more different from the original sound) sounds better, his ears are biased.

Cable companies are saying "the cable needs synergy and matching" is because their cables don't sound the original sound.   Alex/Wavetouch audio

OP  All cables are not for all systems.

Currently, and for the past 20 years or so, I've always used three or four different brands of cables in my audio systems.  After extensive research and experimentation with cables throughout the years, I found that this methodology works best for this veteran audiophile.  In the game of high-end audio, it's every man/woman for himself/ herself.  Each individual audiophile is different and must figure these things out for themselves.  Happy listing.      

@kennymacc great point. That also is another point I was making.  We are all looking for a particular sound or musical experience. Our ears are not the same.  We all are seeking sounds that are enjoyable to us in our own systems. Everyman for himself. The whole reason I demo is because I want people to make sure it’s right for their system. For what they like. 

@knotscott great point I agree with you. We all have different equipment, components, rooms and taste. 

Not sure “quality” is right word. For me, it’s sonics (how it sounds….or absence of any), matching, within budget. 

Cabling makes a difference, but its net effect in specific instances (good versus bad) can be very random. I think many of us (including myself) have/had a strong bias to asssume more expensive cabling should sound better is some way - but that’s a very weak correlation, if at all. One thing, when sorting out different cables, is that the sound of solid silver (not silver plate) is a bit more consistent than other aspects across cables. And I usually (not always) prefer it - but it’s certainly very expensive these days. 

One thing that rubs me the wrong way (along with ludicrous pricing) is all the stupid names & marketing speak used for high-end models and especially the so-called "tech" behind them. Is Audioquest’s "Zero" tech really anything more than individually shielding the + and - conductors from each other? Personally I don’t really care if the noise floor is now - 121dB instead of -120. Tone and perception of dynamics is far more important to me. What do reviewers even mean when they cite something having the "blackest background"? I don’t listen to silence, and with vinyl being my primary source, any base noise floor is getting swamped by groove noise anyways. 

And finally - I think the act of removing cables & putting them back in has a wiping effect on any oxides that have accumulated on the contacts. If you haven't cleaned them in a while, this could give an advantage to the next "new" cable you plug in. Be sure to clean the old cables and plug them back in for subsequent comparison!

The subjective  evaluation of a cable and the differences between it and another cable are dependent heavily on many set of parameters : 

The system gear pieces synergy ...

The system gear pieces  mechanical vibrations/resonance controls...

The system gear pieces electrical noise floor controls and EMI  & RFI controls...

The system/room  acoustics controls parameters state..

The psycho-acoustics biases of our hearing/brain state...

 

Takes any publicity with a grain of salt...

But it is evident that there exist differences between cables (small one) for me and for many people..

But those who use superlatives about cables most of the times had no idea about these others parameters power i just enumerated which created huge differences each one of them compared to cables change..

I will change soon my low cost RCA cable  to a priciest one (i hope  a better angel)

 

 

 

@mulveling 

I think many of us (including myself) have/had a strong bias to assume more expensive cabling should sound better is some way - but that’s a very weak correlation, if at all.

100%. One example of this is companies that sell direct and skip the distributor AND the dealer mark ups.

Q: What is the best cable?
A: The one with the best margin.

Kidding...sort of...

I also hate the marketing fluffy, BS terminology. Just describe materials, construction.

Anyway, I agree cables matter but I either buy direct or used and don't believe you must have a complete loom (although they look nice) because the applications/requirements/synergies are different between SC/PC/IC etc.

I.E., the speakers have no idea and don't care what ICs you are using.

Try what works for you in your system. All of us have different levels of equipment , speakers, cables and Dacs. In different listening environments 

When I discovered AudiogoN many years ago, I had no experience with high-end audio.  I couldn’t afford much but was fascinated by the tech - and the underlying physics.  I was like a sponge - learning from all of the veteran audiophiles in the various discussion groups.  There were plenty of posters who ranted about ’high-end’ cabling as marketing nonsense.   Not knowing who to believe, I took the easiest path of dismissing ’status’ brands.   But I was always curious about their R&D.    

Each of the components in my modest system are from different companies.  Several are boutique brands.   I wondered if a full loom of cabling from the same company might provide a coherent and dynamic SQ.  When I read this favorable review, I took the plunge to try just one - with a 30 day return trial period.  It never went back.  Now, I have almost a complete loom of Synergistic Research cabling.  The tuning modules allow me to tweak the SQ.  Along with cleaning up the power, my modest system has never sounded so good.