Hey @nonoise any chance we can check these new design cables out? Sounds interesting.
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So you have a dealer (BJ Cables) who knows it all and denigrates others who feel otherwise based on their own experience. Not the objective type, I’d wager. Gotta love the know-it-alls. I’ve been experimenting with some cables lately designed by an engineer who used to work at Belden Wire & Cable and his designs are a far sight better than what Beldin makes and their speaker cables now reside in my system and their interconnects came scary close to my Darwin ICs for less than a third of the cost. I still kept my Darwins but the point is that someone who knows Belden inside and out, goes out and designs something that Belden doesn’t make/sell that betters what he used to put out says something. His former employer is making something that’s built to a price point and can do the job, but just that. Oh, and the ICs and SCs are very reasonably priced. Not extravagant in the least. All the best, Nonoise |
+1 @jaybe Exactly the same as my findings. They sound OK like Monster Cable etc....at best based on my comparisons. However, their subwoofer cable is quite satisfactory indeed. One does not need to spend big money to do better. Great offerings from Belden and Duelund are examples. I even felt the low priced Canare and Mogami speaker/ICs cables sounded better. We Aphiles have different opinions on all matters sound and audio and certainly this is yet another example. I find this interesting. |
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Agree with prof As a long time user of Belden cables on audio equipment, I finally began getting cables from Blue Jean, primarily due to their method used to connect high-quality interface hardware to the cable, and being able to specify the length of the cables. BJ cables are throughout my 2 way system (Brystion and Thiel), my son's 2 way, and the AV systems of two of my grandchildren. No problems. (BTW: We all have extensive CD collections, and prefer CD playback to streaming.) The BJ web page has quite a bit of interesting reading on various cable and cable-related issues. Well worth perusing. |
+1 BJC, I’ve bought Ethernet and AV cables from them. Although BJC has received a lot of praise here, remember that these are considered entry level cables, which is why I used them. But it wasn’t but a month or two later that I was ready To upgrade the Blue Jeans Ethernet audio cable. So what Im suggesting here is perhaps to spend a few bucks more to get something more satisfying and long lasting On the front end. My my first choice would be to call the Zu guys directly and ask or beg them for used or demo cables for the Omens (I own Omens too). My my second choice would be to check out the Audio Advisor website and look at their custom or stock” Audioquest Type 4 Speaker Cables, No Frills”. I had them make me a pair for me for about $100.some guy named Tom or Dave or something has been soldering custom cable for them for like 20 years. Prices are reduced greatly b/c you are buying the cables which have been made at Audio Advisor rather than from Audioquest itself. So you are not paying for marketing here. https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQT4N I run these Audioquest cables into my Omens. They sound fantastically good. Better than the Nordost Blue Heavens and Red Dawns, and better than the Analysis Plus Oval 9s My third choice would be ..... Blue Jeans Cable Let us know what you decide, best |
as said they are excellent cables for the price. i have used them many times and agree that as the quality of the system improves to audiophile stadards (whatever you' think that is) you may or may not notice the difference in sound. to manynthe results can be profound or icing on the cake depending on the quality of your sysytem i would suggest comparing the BJ cables,with signal cable basic. Imho theae lower pricedmcablesmsound different from each other. |
It's interesting to read some of the remarks. In the late eighties, I bought my first "serious" set of interconnects, Aural Symphonics for $90.00, and the difference between them and the generics I was using was pretty shocking. Since that time , like many others on these forums, I have tried a number of different brands, and for the better or worse, they all sounded distinctly different. |
I got some interconnects and noticed no difference from the cheap RCA brand (yes RCA brand with rca connectors) I am not saying the cable didn't appear to be quality and the connectors look good. But in practice no difference. Then I took them to my electronics guy to measure. The RCA were $6 cables and 3 feet. They are however fairly decent. The Blue Jean are 2' about about $20 each. They measured no different whatsoever. Nothing ... nada .. no difference. I was disappointed that even capacitance was the same. After my electronics guys finished rolling his eyes he explained you'd have to have some pretty awful cable to measure capacitance difference in a few feet. it doesn't take much to carry 3 to 6volts. Which is what an unbalanced interconnect is carrying. People get way to carried away. My electronics guy assured me that I could spend thousands on pure silver etc and it would still be the same. Unless the cable is just plain awful its going to take the tiny weeny voltage a CD player etc throws out. Considering the signal travels at the speed of light .... really? your highs are going to rolloff within 2' ... really? Each to their own but when you look inside the equipment the wires leading p to the connector are pretty tiny. You cannot improve what comes to the jack with a cable. |
I got some interconnects and noticed no difference from the cheap RCA brand (yes RCA brand with rca connectors) I am not saying the cable didn't appear to be quality and the connectors look good. But in practice no difference. Then I took them to my electronics guy to measure. The RCA were $6 cables and 3 feet. They are however fairly decent. The Blue Jean are 2' about about $20 each. They measured no different whatsoever. Nothing ... nada .. no difference. I was disappointed that even capacitance was the same. After my electronics guys finished rolling his eyes he explained you'd have to have some pretty awful cable to measure capacitance difference in a few feet. it doesn't take much to carry 3 to 6volts. Which is what an unbalanced interconnect is carrying. People get way to carried away. My electronics guy assured me that I could spend thousands from oure silver etc and it would still be the same. Unless the cable is just plain awful its going to take the tiny weeny voltage a CD player etc throws out. Considering the signal travels at the speed of light .... really? your highs are going to rolloff within 2" ... really? |
I had Blue Jeans Belden speaker cable. It was alright, but I replaced it (just to try it out) with Bryston speaker cable (I have a Bryston amp at this time) and the Bryston handily beat the Blue Jeans. I was pleasantly surprised, and believe me, I'm not a big tweak or mod guy. I have no tweaks or mods in my system at the present time. Now some may say I didn't do a blind test, and this is all subjective. Well, yes it is subjective, but I know what I heard and I'm sticking with the Bryston. |
I know there have been countless threads regarding whether or not there is a difference in sound between cables, I maintain you can hear a difference if you are using high quality electronics. I'm only offering a difference in opinion to the OP than the posts above. The type of connector will create a difference between cable A and cable B, also the type and purity of the metal of the conductor will present a difference in sound, eg; copper or silver, or a combination of both. Stranded or braided wire will be different than a solid core conductor and the dielectric of the cable can cause differences in sound. The types of construction as mentioned above will cause differences in conductivity, inductance, and resistance which should be taken into account when choosing a cable for a specific component. Again, I believe the components must be of a high enough quality before you can hear the difference. The same applies to whether or not you can hear different subtleties in source material on your system. |
Hey, it's hard to say from one system to another. But if all one has is an avr or receiver with a dvd player for a source and basic speakers, it's doubtful one will gain much in the way of benefits. Over the course of a few years, I put together a 2 channel system consisting of Paradigm Signature S6 speakers, Parasound Halo A21 and P7 and an Oppo 95. If you are patient you can get pretty good deals, and also find like new items used on sites like this one. With this system, I was actually somewhat disappointed until I started upgrading my generic, basic cables. Part of the problem with upgrading, is there are so many out there promising the moon, it's hard to winnow it down. I asked around on forums and got suggestions that were not that expensive. Morrow Audio and Audioquest type 4 for speaker cables. Both of the above use solid core conductors, not stranded. Morrow uses solid copper that is plated with silver. The results are quite an improvement, it's like the cables let through more of the music, more detail. |
They are simply ok by Aphile standards and will do the job fine if you are not looking for resolving refinement. I owned and currently own several of their cables for testing gear, back-up etc.... The cables I have tried can sound a tad bright, electronic, and unrefined compared to great cabling. I am talking about the LC-1 cable. For the money I have not heard better and the build quality is very high. They are not word class or giant killers however. I can easily hear tremendous differences in refinement and natural presentation between the LC-1 and better sounding, more expensive cable. The owner seems ignorant of this reality, but seems to do a good job on his affordable cable. |
These cables along with Mogami are valued by studios for there clean uncolored sound. If you do not like your system and are buying cables to make it sound more to your liking look elsewhere . Of course you need cables in the first place to hear the whole package . so give them a try . they are cheap compared to the 1000 times over priced copper wire put into fancy jackets and pamphlets ,packaging of well "known " cable manufacturers. |
Beside the basic asssessment made by Lowrider 57 that "[Blue Jean]....cables are neutral and do not add any colorations to the sound", can we get more specifics as to the sound quality of these cables. One AG member claimed on another thread that the Belden speaker cable is BETTER THAN the Canare 4sII speaker cable which to him sounded "muddy and unclear" So can a member with good knowledge of these two models come forward and provide more specific performance details of both cables; for example, overall smoothness and musicality. Thanks. Jim |
BJ Cable sells good quality cable with good terminations. I own a few pairs. The owner's philosophy is that cables make no difference in the sound whatsoever. His prices are fair, but his products are not amazing for that reason. I think what the owner means is that his cables are neutral and do not add any coloration to the sound. I asked him for advice a while back regarding Canare vs. Belden cable and he replied with a lengthy email detailing the physics of how a cable is made and carries current between components. He said that neither brand would influence the sound in a system, and then added that some manufacturers sell cables to be used as tone controls and that this is the wrong approach. It was not the answer to my question, but I think his point was that his cables provided a neutral pathway and did not add coloration to the sound of the original source material. I agree with Runnin that with higher end gear, cable choice can provide different sonic benefits within a system. I am not dissing Blue Jeans in any way; they provide a good bang for the buck. |
From the Blue Jeans Cable website with respect to the owner's philosophy... "Our objective is to provide you with professional-grade cabling for your home audio and video components, without all the hype and pseudoscience sometimes associated with the marketing of audio/video cables." "We want to sell cable the way engineers buy cable--on the basis of real, verifiable, measurable performance." |
The owner's philosophy is that cables make no difference in the sound whatsoever. His prices are fair, but his products are not amazing for that reason. If one believes that cables provide no improvements, then Monoprice is the price leader. I've purchased HDMI cables from BlueJeans and it is a good product. I'd trust them over Monoprice because I think most of their stuff is made by them. I tinkered with cables about a year ago and found that with higher end equipment, cables can add benefits so I ended up with Morrow audio. To each his own. |
I have Blue Jeans Cables throughout my system, RCA Audio, XLR Audio, HDMI, RF Coax, RCA and BNC Coax, Digital Optical. I even use some of their ethernet cables in my network, but I'll admit that was mainly because I was ordering some other cables from them at the same time. I've had a lot of high end cables in my system, but finally the objectivist in me won out and I sold them and put the money into components. |