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Best Phono amp under $2000.
I'm looking at the Ray Samuels F-117, the Ray Samuels XR 2. Also looking at the Sutherland 20/20 and the PHD3. I want a solid state phono amp,I already have a tube phono amp. My first choices are Sutherlands and the Samuels.. Has anyone ever compared these phono amps. Whats the difference in their sonic signature? I have a Nottingham with 2 tone arms. The carts I'm using are the Dynavector DV20 high output and a Grado Reference Master 1.I want to try low output MC's eventually.What other amps at $1000 to $2000 are recommended?
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You might be able to find a used Allnic H1201 for around $2K. I have it and think it's phenomenal. I replaced a JLTI mkIV with the Allnic, and the JLTI is well within your price range. It's very detailed and quiet and dynamic, but doesn't have the full/rich sound of the Allnic in my opinion. But the JLTI was still quite a nice little phono stage. I almost pulled the trigger on a used Herron VTPH-1 phono stage before getting the Allnic. Used that's also in your price range and is supposed to be quite good. |
I'll jump in here and beat Peter to the punch by recommending his Liberty Audio B2B-1 phono preamp. Mikey seemed to like it quite a bit. |
I really liked the Avid Pulsus. Clear improvement over the SimAudio Moon 5.3LP with optional extenal power supply. Especially in treble and bass. Have since moved on to a Musical Fidelity kW phono preamp, which is a beast. No longer made, and not sure what it goes for on the used market if you can track one down. kW gear shows the sonic benefit of having a nice burly power supply. |
Vortex and Dazzlingmd, isn't the Allnic H1201 a tube phono stage? Zeal clearly stated in his original post that he was looking for a solid state phono preamp. I have not heard the Allnic, and I'm sure it is very good, but I did not recommend the Herron VTPH-1, which is also very good, because it also is a tube phono stage. |
Sorry, I missed the detail in the post about ss amps. Yes, the Allnic and Herron are both tubes. The JLTI is SS and I liked it a lot, but there's not a universal view on those. I found it great with the rock, jazz and acoustic music I listen to, and it can be had for around $800 used (it's $1600 new). Before I got the Allnic tube phono stage, I was also considering the JC-3 and Pass Labs, but I never actually heard either. Lots of good reviews, though. |
Sutherland 20/20 is a great phono pre with a great deal of flexibility to accommodate a wide range of carts. I had little experience beyond the phono card in my integrated, but the Sutherland was a very large audible upgrade for me. Integrated was / is a Luxman 505u. It has been my favorite upgrade so far. |
Jmowbray, I'm curious about why you prefer the Triton over the Ares for rock? I'm leaning towards getting an Ares over a Triton because I generally like the tube sound better, but I do listen to more rock, reggae, electronic and world music with the occasional jazz record thrown in. Also, what amp are you using with them (I'm using a Rogue Cronus Magnum w/ KT 120s)? |
I wish that jmowbray had answered that question. I have a Cronus Magnum 2 with a Clearaudio performance dc turntable and my phonostages are both by Parks audio. I have the Budgie and the Puffin. Sometimes (most times) i feel as if im underserving the amp and table with budget phonostages.... but man the are really good.... i feel to balance my system out i should have an ares or an allnic h-1201 or even a manlrley Chinook and not just because of the higher price but i believe they must sound nicer even though i have no chance to listen to them.... it just makes sense why they would and the reviews back that up....i reallyvwant to stay all tube on my reference setup with the Cronus Magnum and Clearaudio table.... on my secondary setup with a rogue Sphinx 2, Technics SL-1600 & Klipsch Quartets... SS would be fine. |
At that price level, I compared these: - Allnic - Herron - Sutherland - Manley Chinook Of the four, I found the Sutherland to be least desirable. There were a dozen of us in the listening session, and while the voting was close, the Manley was the winner. Everyone ranked them most to least favorite. My personal impression was that they are all nice. The Herron and Sutherland were a bit more forward in the mid ranges, while the Manley exhibited the smoothest overall sound. I found it the most pleasant to listen to for the longer term of the four. I don't have flowery language to use, but I can tell you that I've been living with the Manley for three years, and I have no desire to change... even after the shootout. And, you can get one under $2k lightly used. |
How about a TRON Convergence? would be in your budget, if you are in the UK. Not sure how much it is in the USA. You could ask Jeff Catalano at High-water Sound in NYC, as he is the USA TRON distributor. The TRON Convergence has been used recently at RMAF and other shows by Jeff, with many plaudits. |
I am in agreement with the gent who said that he went with Whest. I just sold a mint Whest Three Signature for under $2K, well under; that would have been by far your best bet in the range you wish to stay within. I have had a number of other phono preamps here over the past few years including the highly reviewed Gold Note PH10. None of them could come close to how quiet the Whest was or how much detail with an amazingly flat response it has. Like the other OP here, I upgraded to a new custom modified PS.30 RDT SE recently and it just took things up to a whole new upper level. With each upgrade in offerings from Whest, you get the ability to reveal even more information deep within the recording. Granted, this was nowhere near the price range you are seeking, but if you can find a Whest Three out there, you should grab it. I’d spend some effort to locate a used Whest vs. buying something new in your price range. You will get far more for your money. |