Are cables really worth their high price because of their geometry?
They’re some pricey cables that have claim to fame because of the high tech geometry used in their cables. Many of these cables have patents on specific geometry patterns used in their cables and use this as a reason their cables sound so good. For that reason, many say the reason their cables cost so much is they’re so complex . The man hours to make a pr results in their high price. That maybe true for some cables, but I’ve seen very pricey cables using the same geometry reason that look like a thin piece of wire rapped in outer jacket no thicker than a pencil. So,Is all this geometry just another way to justify their cost or is it true science that we are paying in the end?
Looks like this issue of geometry will always a controversial one. If the design is more complex and very time consuming then the end result must be worth its cost. In many ways we might be paying the price now for something that will come in the future. Evolution in many cases has evolved through countless trials and failures in the realm of science. There are leading edge designers of cables that have been at this for 40 plus years and without them our quality of cables would be much less today without their discoveries. Maybe they are getting close to the perfect cable?
During recent experiments I have found that using speaker cables incorporating my triple DNA helix geometry and applying quantum tunneling superconductive technology you can go down as far as 20ga and still have superior control over speakers than the thickest of conventional cables. They make everything that has come before totally obsolete.
You wanna hear my new triple DNA helix quantum tunneling interconnects. I plan to make a fortune.............. Is anybody other than me wondering whether the letters icu after b4 have any significance?
b4icu349 posts07-31-2020 4:14amSo many, with the same agenda, all try to make a sale. Here we go revealing the truth. You must be one of kind. Its long since I've seen so many with no shame.
Yeah!! We are all here selling cables right and left. Everybody is a cable peddler LOL!!!
"Prostitution has an immense value. For both providers (they get paid for it, it is a job), and the clients (they get something very satisfying in return for their money)."
Finally, a simple way for a man to explain it to his daughter.
Truth hurts. Often times. Still truth though.
BTW, I don't have a daughter, so I cannot possibly know
So many, with the same agenda, all try to make a sale. Here we go revealing the truth. You must be one of kind. Its long since I've seen so many with no shame.
"Prostitution has an immense value. For both providers (they get paid for it, it is a job), and the clients (they get something very satisfying in return for their money)."
Finally, a simple way for a man to explain it to his daughter.
Silly example on prostitution. Really. Prostitution has an immense value. For both providers (they get paid for it, it is a job), and the clients (they get something very satisfying in return for their money).
The fact it's going on for years, doesn't make it right. The fact is, it was a deception from the beginning. As long as it worked: New tels, new arguments, new customers, the business kept going. Now it's called Geometry. Till the next BS idea. Look at prostitution. It's the oldest profession and still exist. Is that a good idea to use or become one?
Audiophiles are not stupid. They’re not going to pay $$$$ for nothing. No one does. You can only con once. Cable manufacturers have been around for years and are still here. Doesn’t this say something?
Sorry but we are all friends here and we argue about audio....
There is not so much thiefs, and not so much dishonest people here, even when we call them so, without proof, on the basis of opinion divergence only...
I call that stupidity.... I apologize if this definition seems to you erroneous...
Anyway i wish you good luck in your crusade against cable sellers..... :)
But please refrain yourself with cable consumers....
« Only truth dont respect borders»- Groucho Marx
« Are you the truth? » -a famous roman governor in Judea
« My dear, when even Christ stay silent, i better be myself»- Groucho Marx
Who ever sold a cable (of any kind) with absurd tells as: Directional, Silver, Copper high purity, Cryo treatment, Skin effect, Additional filter box and the latest: Geometry, is a: ... And as for any deal, there are two sides. So the consumer came out stupid and cheated. Your quotes about the "expression" do not change nor contributes anything.
Mr.
madcow Sorry to ruin your sales. COVID-19 and now me... Bad economy. Even President Trump dislikes it.
But there is no difference in a PC whatever is the task that the electricity on the other end does. If you think otherwise, keep salling power cables with snake oil and way overpriced. You are still miles away from the truth. You make a living by deceiving people, and sale them nothing for plenty of $. There are names for that in the English language.
I was auditioning some speakers in a shop. A man joined me. After 5 mins he said he had that sound. The salesman asked what system he had - he said “Sony boom box.” Go figure.
Could you believe, that such a marketing really works? after all, it's just some snake oil. No evidence, No spec. No measurement results, Nothing! If accounting is happy, consumer is stupid and well ripped off.. By Albert Einstein, only stupidity is infinite.
Geometry, purity, gauge, network box, direction, coating/dielectric, termination, damping........one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small, and the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all - it all makes a bit of difference but not anywhere near as much as the marketing department would have you believe. However, a good marketing department leads to a happy accounting department.
I find that hard to believe. What pressure are you running?
All you car nuts are just the same - refusing to accept the reality that a set of Walmart Bridgestones will perform just as well as a your fancy low profile European imports.
I just put a Michelin Pilot Super Sport low Profile tire on my wheelbarrow and it didn‘t make any difference to its performance at all. What a con ! All expensive tires are snake oil.
For your say: "
Power cords have one purpose: deliver 120 volts a few feet from a wall outlet".
In my country as well as in many other, its 230V @ 50Hz. Power cables are tested as so:
Take that "super expensive and fancy" new power cable and exchange with it, your kitchen kettle cord. Boil some water and make yourself a cup of tea. If that taste any better than the one you made with the original cable ($ 1.50), than the
"super expensive and fancy" worth its weight in gold! But if not, it worth just as much as $ 1.50...
NO if you can solder VH Audio for example sells the very best purity Litz a OCC Copper and porous thin Teflon wire around. loudspeaker, or Interconnect , WBT, or Furutech connectors . email Chris . I have compared them to $2k cables no BS the proof is in the-listening, he also will finish them for $2-400 depending on interconnect or Loudspeaker cables , the loudspeaker cable is not listed you need to inquire. esoteric $$ cables are maybe a bit better if you have several $$k more to spend . I personally don’t have $10k for-interconnects and a 6 ft pair of Speaker cables.
It's my understanding and experience that damping factor doesn't matter unless it's really low like on some tube amps. I have a vintage krell amp that only has a damping factor of 120 but it produces bass very well, better than a lot of amps that have damping factors far greater.
I have found that different cables work differently which I assume has a lot to do with system interface. I had been running a Shunyata Venom RCA interconnect from Pre (ARC ref 5se) to amp (sanders Magtech). Other cabling (source and speaker) remained the same. I heard very distinct and noticeable improvements including detail and, surprisingly, imaging enhancement when I swapped in a slightly shorter length (1 vs. 2 meter) of Wireworld Eclipse 8 (base ohno copper version, not silver or gold reference). Why I don’t know but the benefit was apparent.
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