Are cables really worth their high price because of their geometry?


They’re some pricey cables that have claim to fame because of the high tech geometry used in their cables.
Many of these cables have patents on specific geometry patterns used in their cables and use this as a reason their cables sound so good. For that reason, many say the reason their cables cost so much is they’re so complex . The man hours to make a pr results in their high price. That maybe true for some cables, but I’ve seen very pricey cables using the same geometry reason that look like a thin piece of wire rapped in outer jacket no thicker than a pencil. So,Is all this geometry just another way to justify their cost or is it true science that we are paying in the end?
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Showing 15 responses by thyname

Kimber Kable cables is a less complex braided geometry, but much better than a simple lamp cord - the "cable" is built by machine and they are pretty easy to add connectors, so they tend to be more affordable, but they are not as good as the others cables mentioned above.

With all due respect, I disagree. It depends which Kimber Kable you look at. They have many cable lines, from very inexpensive to unaffordable (i.e. Naked series). Their "Select" tier is very, very good. It competes extremely well with other brands in your list. Also, even one series, have several models. For example, Select has typically three tiers, copper only, hybrid (silver + copper), and Silver only. Geometry is also different than other tiers down the lineup.
mapman17,350 posts07-20-2020 1:09pmIf the cables are worth it why are there always so many for sale here? They should be hard to find like other high quality gear that is worth it.   The 4 figure wires appear to be a dime a dozen.
Simple: people like to experiment with cables, try for themselves, and the repeat. Much easier to deal with cables (i.e. shipping is easy) than with speakers, amps, etc.

There are all kind of cables available in Audiogon for sale, for all budgets. Getting them used at a good price, helps a lot in terms of resale value when trying, and then reselling if it does not fit the bill (read: ears). Again, very simple. And everyone knows margins are high in cables, thus the value of used. So no secret there. 
@mapman  --- not sure I understand your point. People buy and sell stuff all the time. Look at other stuff here, not just cables. Cables are actually the easiest to sell / buy used, because they are very easy to pack and ship, and very cheap to ship. And yes, actual value is an unknown.... until one tries them in their own system.
Someone must be buying, right? Example: me --- for every cable I sell, I buy another one to replace it.

And not all prices are very high. There are plenty of cables for sale at very good prices, for any budget. For example: me (again): I only buy what I can afford. I don't buy stuff that I cannot afford. Buying used makes it easier.
Steve ----- I cannot afford the Naked series cable from Kimber. No matter what. Select copper or hybrid is as far as I can go. I cannot solder either, so I cannot make my own cables. Thanks for chiming in
Good advice on letting ears be the guide, but how about those amongst us who don’t trust their ears whatsoever, and look for “measurements “ to make any decisions? 🤪

And yes, you can buy and try 20 cables. Not at once, but over time. It’s fun. Experimenting that is. There is no rush
Steve @williewonka : you are 100% spot on with your very knowledgeable posts. However, I am afraid you are wasting your time with “Audio BS” types. You may not realize, but their hobby is not the audio hobby. Their hobby is hating the audio hobby. A clear form of the recently popular cancel culture 
Audio BS Facebook group?! LOL!!! You guys of Audio BS are so much into BS, that you are clearly BS-ing yourself with your made up BS story. Doesn’t it get a bit boring discussing BS among yourselves all the time? Sad life my friend, too bad you spend it feeling miserable. Life is good.... you should enjoy it.

Sooo..., one time, in a band camp....
Breaking news to you @scott22: people who buy expensive cables do so with after tax money. Meaning the government wants their share first, and you get to spend what’s left after from your gross income after taxes withheld either through payroll or quarterly estimated payments, or at annual tax time. Just a small clarification in case you don’t pay income tax perhaps because of lack of income. 

Also, statistically, people with high income give more to charity than people with low income. Look it up
Silly example on prostitution. Really. Prostitution has an immense value. For both providers (they get paid for it, it is a job), and the clients (they get something very satisfying in return for their money).
@pesky_wabbit —- Not just confused thinking. Worse. Troubled thinking. Like mentally ill thinking (and I am being nice)

glupson
5,894 posts
07-31-2020 8:41am
thyname,

Sons can get a good price, too.

Hmmm..... I am intrigued. Tell me more. I want to know. Share your experiences 

glupson
5,893 posts
07-31-2020 12:21am
"Prostitution has an immense value. For both providers (they get paid for it, it is a job), and the clients (they get something very satisfying in return for their money)."

Finally, a simple way for a man to explain it to his daughter.
Truth hurts. Often times. Still truth though.

BTW, I don't have a daughter, so I cannot possibly know

b4icu
349 posts
07-31-2020 4:14am
So many, with the same agenda, all try to make a sale.
Here we go revealing the truth.
You must be one of kind.
Its long since I've seen so many with no shame.

Yeah!! We are all here selling cables right and left. Everybody is a cable peddler  LOL!!!