A cable too perfect?

I've used AZ Absolute copper cables for many years. They are somewhat warm sounding and quite engaging.  I just recently did a cable shootout with 4 sets of $4K cables and 2 sets of $9K cables.  Yes some of them were better than the AZs, but 1 only dramatically better across the board (an expensive one).

Your problem is somewhere else, but try:

Leaving them in awhile longer.

Using a cable cooker, or putting a CD player on repeat with test tones like the  Ayre Cardas System Enhancement Disc.

Good luck!

Hi @zlone. Thanks for helping me with my decision to purchase the Audionet Amp 1 v2! I am really enjoying it.

I can't say I am an expert on this amp since I only got it recently and haven't yet tried many cables with it; however, it does appear to be very transparent and very revealing of upstream equipment. It is bringing out the best in my LTA microztl. 

Sounds like the AZ interconnects are starting to come around? Maybe they are not "bright" but just a higher quality cable that is more revealing? I agree with others that it is probably worth giving them some more time. The Iconoclast cables I have between my pre and amp are working very well to my ears and they are considered pretty linear/neutral cables. 

I had adjusted my Von Schweikert VR9 SE Mk2 upgraded speakers to my equipment and cabling for nearly a year (7 control features).  One problem I thought I had was too much bass with the 1000w powered 15" Rel subs in the rear despite minimal gain at +2 clicks.  I just purchased a pair of Westminster Labs Ultra power cables for both the speakers and the WL Rei amps.  The clarity, dynamic range and even/neutral frequency response was significantly better than my 15X lower cost cabling which was very good but I had to set my bass phase to -90 degrees.  So, installing those four power cables sounded a little lean, lacking in body/richness as you would say.  Then I readjusted the phase back to 0 degrees, aiming the bass between instead of outside of the speakers and voila!  Great rich ffull bodied sound like I've never heard but with all the clarity.  I was rather surprised but the distributor informed me that the higher end WL and Masterbuilt cabling brought more richness/body to the sound.  Now my speakers are not sounding overloaded with in phase bass.  I did not try other high end power cables as for 25 years, GroverHuffman builds great power cables at very reasonable prices.  15X the GH price and one has to be careful.  There is no question as to the SOTA quality of those WL and Masterbuilt (I've heard over the last decade) power cables (as well as ICs). 

@gp4jesus Good advice under any circumstances, it seems to have a positive effect to reseat connections once in awhile. However, for my ears and system, it seems to take a few days for everything to sound totally right after reseating and cleaning connections. 

@barrysandy 

I've used AZ Absolute copper cables for many years.....I just recently did a cable shootout with 4 sets of $4K cables and 2 sets of $9K cables. 

Just to clarify: You are referring to the interconnect here? 

@sfpeloton  Thanks for helping me with my decision to purchase the Audionet Amp 1 v2! I am really enjoying it.

Good to hear, it is fantastic equipment.

@barrysandy I've used AZ Absolute copper cables for many years. They are somewhat warm sounding and quite engaging.  I just recently did a cable shootout with 4 sets of $4K cables and 2 sets of $9K cables.  Yes some of them were better than the AZs, but 1 only dramatically better across the board (an expensive one).

Your problem is somewhere else, but try:

Leaving them in awhile longer.

Yours is a common story with AZ, I and many others have found them to be special, and relatively cost effective within this hobby.

It is my plan to let them soak for longer.

@zlone "...Keep in mind that I have used several sets of interconnects with this system already, and there was no issue with leanness."

Had a full loom of "great" cables like this once. It did not start out this way, but seemed to become increasingly "less engaging" of a sound as I added more of the exact same type of cable throuhout the entire system. Tonal balance was lost.

Yes, letting the cables and dielectric relax and settle inside of each cable 200+ hours did help and sound did change some for the better, but that leanness you refer to was still kinda there. Did not really go away. It was simply not a great match for my amp and preamplifier at the time was the final conclusion. Took a while to admit this and back out of it all - to literally start over from scratch. Went back to a baseline. Others have suggested that familiar "baseline". Then I read the statement you posed above.

Sure, give it more time. If that does not work, go back to the entire set of those former/familiar cables and listen for 2 weeks. You’ll find your answer with no more advice from anyone here needed. Hopefully you kept a few of those old cables around to re-test.  Exactly the reason I don't immediately resell former cables. 

Sometimes pairing up an amplifier known for that added "clarity" and "detail" with a set of cables known for the same characteristics can give you exactly that as.a result. I’ve found some combinations of expensive cables can simply tilt too far in a direction you now hear as no longer being "engaging". This can happen.

@decooney

Kind of like salting potatoes: "more, that's better, yeah more, more- Woah, too much!"

System matching is critical.  I never had a cable mismatch wherein the sound was only acceptable at low volumes and not at high volumes.  Until 2023, I only used tube gear.  Now I have solid state amps and phono pre-amp.  

I can attest to the vast differences any one particular cable can make.  My friend and I both purchased Paradox Pulse SPDIF digital cables.  We both used Topping D70s DACs and similar high quality transports.  In his 1980s all tube system (Luxman C35 3 and RAM RM 9), his digital sound was lean and lacking in bass.  In my system, it has a rich, full bodied sound with big bass slam.  Detailed in both systems.  So, he then swapped in my GroverHuffman SPDIF cable.  In his system it restored all the bass and warmth.  In my system, it did the same but sounded smeared in that imaging was blurred at the speaker.  We both have VS speakers.  

It's a hassle, but cabling has to be heard in a system to determine one's sound preferences as well as coherence within the system.  

@mclinnguy decooney Kind of like salting potatoes: "more, that’s better, yeah more, more- Woah, too much!"

As simple as that explanation seems about "salt", I guess I never thought about it like that, spices and all - so true. Great analogy. I think @hilde45 likes to use the food analogy too quite a bit. Something we all can relate to every day we eat.

Same kind goes with lightly sugared cake maybe, it can be fantastic and delicate tasting with the right balance, not too much. It really does capture the idea of it all.

@vthokie83  Which Neotech cable and connectors are you using? The right ones could be the solution, the wrong ones more of the same

Sorry, I forgot to answer this question. I am using the NEMO-I3220 on this page:

https://www.neotechcable.com/NEMOI-cable.html

And for connectors:

https://canadianhifi.com/shop/parts/rca/neotech-ner-occ-gd-rca-rca/

I started down this path before the AZ Absolutes became available at a great price. My goal was to experiment along the same lines with rectangular OCC Copper, which is used in the Absolutes, but probably in a different configuration/geometry.

Challenging cable and connectors to work with, but I completed these cables yesterday and have them breaking in on my system. I will play them for a week or two and then put the Absolutes back in and condense my thoughts. 

@zlone 

I’m still undecided about getting a cable cooker. Many says improvements. Some cook their cables periodically.  

I have remained on the fence about buying a cable cooker for over thirty years. I probably should have bought one back then... would have saved me a lot of time and complexity over the years. 

IIRC one member claimed a while back damaging his cables forgetting and leaving them on a cable cooker too long.  I have no clue what's true but worth understanding more in any case.  

Zlone

Please do post your finding once you've got some experience on the Neotech I-3220 sound with the NER connectors. It would be helpful to me as I get further into my builds.

I'm just getting to some of my construction, and I started with speaker and power cables for my DIY projects.....the first speaker cable is showing great promise

Right now I've got the NEI-3001 and NEI 3002, in addition to various RAMM, Furutech, Oyaide, and various other Japanese manufacturers.....I think I went a little manic in my excitement, and went way overboard. I think I bought about 30 bulk cables for speaker, power, and interconnects.