A cable too perfect?


I recently acquired an Audionet AMP 1 v2 that only accepts RCA single ended connections. Since all my cabling was balanced, I had to start looking for replacements for my Acoustic Zen Matrix Reference II's. Of course I could just get an RCA pair of those, as I like the sound, but I thought I would take the opportunity to check out some other options. I also thought I would start on the lower end cost-wise. I had some old Audioquest RCA's laying around and used those to start. And I bought some low cost Acoustic Zen WOW's to tide me over. And then on to Stager Silver Solids, I like these, but I don't think I love them. I also bought some Neotech cable and connectors and I am working on building a set.

But then, my dream cables showed up at a significant bargain, Acoustic Zen Absolute Copper! I was quite excited to add these to my system, and they replaced the Stager silver cables. Well, to say the difference was striking is not sufficient. The level of clarity and detail is amazing, and the soundstage is excellent. At first I thought they were kind of bright, but that is not the case, I think it is just the extreme clarity. A friend came over and he did not think they were bright either.

So, the problem, I don't find them engaging. It is possible the sound is a bit on the lean side. Everything is there, but there does not be a sum to the parts that is the music, yet I think they are absolutely accurate. It is slightly better if I turn it up, but I don't tolerate higher volumes for long, and value a system that sounds good at lower volumes. I prefer a bit of warmth, although I like to term it as a "richer" sound. 

They have only been in place for a few days, so I will give them a bit more time. I know the answer, "try something else", but curious if others have run into such stark contrasts and is this what I can expect at the higher end of the cable world?

Suggestions for alternatives that might suit my needs are welcome, if you have actually tried them, and you believe that cables make a difference.

zlone

Showing 10 responses by mclinnguy

@barrysandy 

I've used AZ Absolute copper cables for many years.....I just recently did a cable shootout with 4 sets of $4K cables and 2 sets of $9K cables. 

Just to clarify: You are referring to the interconnect here? 

Funny, I just went through the exactly same issue- having to get an RCA for my new amps. 

Are these Absolute Copper's new or used? You say only a few days they have been playing, but you got them at a bargain which implies used- just wondering about break in- yes they need 200 hours from my experience. 

I know my AZ Silver Reference II XLR's goes a little deeper in bass than the AZ Absolutes, but I think the bass weight (warmth) was equal between the two, but I don't believe I would call AZ Absolute's lean.... 

You are saying these other "lesser" RCA's you used had more warmth? Is that a case of the Absolute copper's being tighter and more accurate with the bass? 

Another option, after having sufficient time with the AZ rca's if you still find them too thin, is to search for a power cable for the amp that can richen things up-maybe the PC you have is giving you the leanness?  and/or balance that "amazing clarity and resolution" the RCA is giving you. I am surprised @ghdprentice didn't suggest his AQ Hurricane for the amp- he usually does -and it does add some weight, and slightly rolls off the highest frequencies, and makes the top end silky. Like he said it is all about the match. 

I can tell you the RCA I got that sounds really nice, nice enough for me to have no incentive to change it, but I have no other RCA's to compare them to: Inakustik NF-2404. 

@zlone

Neotech makes fantastic cable, and I have heard some wonderful things about their cables, but I have no experience with them (yet), and sounds like you DIY’d it- so it is near impossible to compare with other’s notes on Neotech power cables.

No doubt they are "sufficient", but it is interesting you chose this term.

You are going through hearing differences in interconnects; many experienced "cable rollers" state power cables make the most difference of any cable change- speaker cables included.

 

most believe the only part that is visible is from 380 to 700... 

so sell them when they get to 690!

Ok, I did ask that above:

You are saying these other "lesser" RCA's you used had more warmth? Is that a case of the Absolute copper's being tighter and more accurate with the bass? 

Not the power cable then. Hmmm.. 

Blisshifi states the Audionet amps are warm and rich biased, and others also have nice things to say about them, now I’m really confused:

Perhaps that older AZ RCA is defective? I know you said it has amazing detail, but like Audphile1 is saying which is my memory of them also, a lack of bass is not in AZ vocabulary- something doesn’t add up. Good news is you got them from TMR so it would be easy to exchange. 

"Audionet is exceptional every step of the way, but it prioritizes a rich tonal density and balance (that many electronics manufacturers can only dream of achieving) over microdynamics and detail."

 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/help-me-choose-between-audionet-and-constellation-audio

He could have bought mine- I traded them into TMR about 6 months ago but I believe they have sold. 

@decooney yes

Kind of like salting potatoes: "more, that's better, yeah more, more- Woah, too much!"