@ danvignau... see my post above problem solved.....
Why does my old CD player sound so much better than my new streamer?
Earlier this year I upgraded my system. Briefly, new Prima Luna Dialogue Premium HP integrated, new Lumin D2 streamer/DAC, kept my Tekton speakers, bought a 10 year old Muse Erato CD player, new Nordost Red Dawn cables all around. After plenty of break in, the Lumin D2 streaming Tidal, even 24/96, does not sound close to as good as the Muse Erato. I understand the Muse was about $10k new years ago, I paid $650 for it on Audiogon, is that the difference? It replaced my Naim I had for 20+ years and I bought it on the chance I want to listen to something not on Tidal, but now I'm going to CDs when I want to sit and listen instead of streaming. I considered upgrading to the Lumin T2, but will that be more of the same Lumin sound, which is accurate but thin and a little cold compared to the Muse. I like the Lumin when just letting Tidal shuffle music as I move around the house, but from the opening note in an A/B test the Muse just sounds so much warmer, live and simply more enjoyable. Any thoughts or suggestions?
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To Audiotroy, I cannot find where to engage DSD transcoding? There is no manual and on the Lumin website for set up of this product I do not see where to do this. Can you explain? Maybe I'll call Lumin. I am using the stock power cord. I am using Wi-Fi not ethernet because an ethernet cable would have to be about 40 feet long and require holes drilled through walls and a floor. The retainer recommended TP link range extender that I use, which provides a strong signal. I read in some posts here about an sbooster power supply so I am looking into that, but still considering reading in the D2 for a T2. Besides this, there seems to be no clear answer through all the many responses on here. Some think the difference is in the digital phase, others think its the analogue. But I appreciate all the responses and will keep reading them. |
With out of the box settings I found the opposite. Granted my gear isn’t yours but my T2 with upgraded power supply (with a good ethernet and power cables but not stratospheric ones) sounds better than my PrimaLuna tube CD player. Also using WiFi into one of these...TP-Link Wireless N300 2T2R Access Point, 2.4Ghz 300Mbps, 802.11b/g/n, AP/Client/Bridge/Repeater, 2x 4dBi, Passive POE all of $23. Apples to apples tests at 44k of the same tracks by three of us (nerds?) were done. At 96K to me sound was that of tip top vinyl. I now now have ripped all cd’s to flacks and run those via the Lumen T2. Happy. Every thing that’s any sort of cable/cord/power/power supply on my gear has been tweaked and what an audible difference. Your mileage may vary but better connects made a difference over stock. I don’t have anything that’s at the highest tear. |
Yeti sorry to disagree, but there have been spectacular CD playback systems that were easily competitors to very high end vinyl playback. We had the Audio Aero, Remiyo, CD players and they were both spectacularly musical. If you ever hear a T+A PDP 3000 playing a red book CD or SACD you would be blown away by the sound. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ Lumin dealers |
I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. A cheap cassette player is more musical than most CD systems. It’s more dynamic, has better tonality, it’s sweeter and has more air. Broken hands on broken ploughs, Broken treaties, broken vows, Broken pipes, broken tools, People bending broken rules Hound dog howling, bull frog croaking, Everything is broken |
audiotroy so i gather you don't sell cd players anymore? how could i tell? "Do you honestly think that the thousands and thousands of audiophiles across the world are getting rid of their CD players because their new streamers suck?" yes .i know because iv'e a\b'd it myself. when transistors (home audio , guitar amps)emerged in the early 60's they were the bomb ...for a while, thousands and thousands of audiophiles across the world got rid of amazing tube amps for transistors. it took some time for people to acknowledge what they lost . guitar players wouldn't stand it for a second (it was changing their artistic voice not what they consume as listeners)so they and mainly audio research(r.i.p) kept the flame going while salespeople made the whole world believe that transistors are better and now the audiophile community is back to tubes decades after. streamer users are fashion victims just like the first transistor users. it's your client that thinks the streamer sucks compared to a 10 year old cd player. the fact that he is surprised is due to being brainwashed by salesmen like you.(he knew from the first second it doesn't sound near as good because he has been using this cd player before buying the streamer so he got used to a better sound) i have no doubt and would't even bother comparing them . i have my ears and don't need salespeople quoting pseudo science . if you were men enough you would encourage all your streamer buying clients to a\b against their old cd players(not 10k cd players that will easily smoke any streamer 10 years ahead ,the common stuff oppo onkyo denon sony whatever ). the pro idsd will sound much better than the lumin but calling it "warm" is just wrong. it's a well balanced crispy sweet open sound. he already has a preamp so it's a bit of a waste. i don't think that the lumin is a particularly bad sounding streamer i think(also most sound engineers i know) that steaming will never sound as good as playing cd's |
F917 please tell me how good your 1988 Sony trinitron looks compaired to todays best TVs look. We have been replacing CD players for years with streamers and the better streamers sound way better. Go listen to a good flac file ripped on an Innuous being feed to a good dac or dac streamer set up with good cables smokes the comparably priced CD. |
fsgattuso Simple! I don’t doubt it sounds better when playing cd as that’s pcm and your Muse uses the best converter for that, and it’s R2R Multibit Ladder. MUSE ERATO 4 x PCM1704 (being the last best ones in chip form) Your Lumin D2 uses Wolfson Delta Sigma converters, good for doing DSD if you into it, but not as good for doing PCM Redbook or DXD 16/44 or 24/96. Cheers George |
Thank you Jackd and Audiotroy! Switching the transcodimg to DSD absolutely made a difference amd brings the sound so close to what I like from my Muse Erato that its no longer a complaint. With A/B testing the two now it is difficult to hear a difference. But when A/B testing the PCM setting with the DSD setting the difference is there. Again, the PCM serting was notba bad sound, I just liked the Muse Erato, and now the DSD setting, much better for my taste. But I saw a few people here comment or suggest adding a power supply from sbooster or another company I can't recall now, thoughts on that? Yes Audiotroy I owe you a beer! |
I used to own Micromega + a DIY DAC..it sounded pretty awesome..I then retired for 3 years and got my inch back starting with Oppo BDP-105..as time goes by, I have used Auralic Aries + Lampizator Golden Gate, followed with Aqua La Diva + Lampizator Pacific. Now I have Forsell Air Reference CDT + Lampizator Pacific and one server called LDM. I should say, this LDM is at least equal to or sometimes, even better than my Forsell CDT. |
I hope that the Muse Erato II is vastly superior to an earlier CD player Muse built, the Signature 9. I purchased that junk for $2300 back in the 90s. It cut off the beginning and ending of a note, round, bloated sound. Yuk! My old Kyocera 310 and 410 from 1985 blew it away. For the past 13 years, I have greatly enjoyed CDs through my EAR Acute which uses Wolfson chips. It is very rich sounding and not at all a resolution fiend. I may purchase a COS Engineering H1 DAC after audition as it sounds incredibly more detailed/higher resolution than my EAR Acute. As to cheap cassette players trouncing high end CD players, ha ha. I own a Nakamichi zx7 cassette deck, second only to the Dragon and no cassettes come close to 1000s of my well mastered CDs. Am I to assume that only a cheap cassette player can be used and not a top quality one? No, someone got a screw loose. I used to transfer CDs in the 1980s to cassettes (100s of them). Prerecorded cassettes were generally awful. Only a few I recorded live using a Tandberg 310 cassette deck rivaled a good CD or RR tape. |
f917025 “streamer users are fashion victims just like the first transistor users.” Respectfully disagree, that’s a polite way of saying it....it’s all so subjective (room, system, etc.)...a few of us did a blind test where we listened to the same tunes from a CD and a streamer. We all picked the steamer. Files were the same size. The high res files to me are Nirvana.. The tube system used was excellent stuff but not the penultimate. I have been giving away Cd’s after ripping then. I now listen to music files from what was on CDs on a fashionable Streamer in my uber fashionable cloths. We can all love our music any way it’s piped in. |
Facts are always leading and tell the real truth. I work in audio now for over 20 years of time. And I have done thousands of tests. And since 2012 we have tested many new DACS, network players and other digital sources. The question: Is it more than normal that still many people use a CD-player or turntable? The answer is: Yes, but there is a clear reason why? The human emotion works to a great extent almost the same way. Regarding music diversity (layering) in sound is by far the most influential aspect of sound. Of all aspects/properties of sound, it can influence your emotion during listening to music the most. The facts prove over and over again that many network players and DACS are often limited in diversity (layering) in sound. It is even very simple and clear that most humans don’t like most network players and DACS these days. When a network player or DAC is not able to reveal a high level in layering no human will use this source a lot. After a short time, they will start to use it less rather quickly. Your emotion overrules and tells you that it is not intense or emotional enough during listening. The harmonics you will find on each recording. There are even over 100 different harmonics. When a source or DAC can reveal more layers of the harmonics the human emotion will become a lot more intense. Most CD-players and also turntables can create a lot more easy diversity (layering) in sound. This is why people describe them as more emotional. Because they are a lot more emotional than most network players and the latest DACS. What is the reason why so many network players and DACS are so limited in creating layers in sound? Because the insight and knowledge of manufacturers are not getting better than in the past. I think even worse. When we ask manufacturers the following 3 questions almost none can answer them. - Can you tell us all the different aspects/properties of sound? - Can you tell us all the different aspects which negatively influence sound and stage? - Can you tell us how human emotion works regarding music? When you have no idea about these questions it becomes even clear why audio products differ so much from how music, voices, and instruments sound in real. Besides diversity (layering) in sound, there are 7 more other aspects/properties of sound. From which each individual aspect can influence human emotion during listening to music. And this is why you need all those different aspects to hear and perceive the full emotion of each recording. When an audio system can let you hear and perceive all the details and aspects of the music, the level of emotion will be the highest. This also means that each human will experience a high level of emotion during listening to their own music. When we judge most network players and DACS on all aspects of sound, the facts (sound and stage) will prove that most can not reveal all the aspects of sound. With the result that people will miss the connection and emotion of the music. We work by all the aspects of sound, this is how we reproduce sound. So we can reveal all the details and different aspects of the recording. This will always create a superior level of emotion and intensity. Since we know that diversity (layering) in sound is the most important aspect of sound. We put the most focus on this aspect for all our different modifications. We always do this together with the best specialists in this area. We are Lumin dealer for 4 years of time now. And are specialized in all their products. We created a level in analog sound and layering what goes beyond all CD-players. The Lumin products are great but they are not perfect. This is why we adapt each Lumin product for all the different aspects of sound. And diversity (layering) in sound gets the most attention We will soon place different reviews of owners here at Audiogon. They will tell in detail how our modified products changed their thoughts about network players and digital audio. And what it did change to their experience with audio and their emotion. |
When we invite new clients. We let them hear with their own music the differences between: - streaming by Qobuz - streaming by a Synology NAS - streaming by a modified Lumin L1 music server. We always use the same music at the same bit rate. Question: are the differences big? The answer is; yes they are even huge. And most new clients had no idea that the differences could be so big. Almost all our Lumin clients use a Lumin L1 music server. The distributor of Lumin in my country will visit a few of our clients with the people of Lumin. We want to show them how much more you can get out of each Lumin product. The modified Lumin L1 is over 70% better compared to streaming by Qobuz. It also outperforms the Synology Nas on all aspects of sound. What does a modified Lumin L1 add to all aspects of sound? When we use the same song with the modified L1 for the first time we directly see the big smile on people their faces. And often they say; this is not even comparable. It is a different world. The level in layering is so much bigger, that all people directly experience a lot more emotion and intensity. The stage becomes, wider and bigger. Even the level in diversity in height (differences in height of voices and instruments) becomes a lot more apparent. The dynamics are bigger and you hear so much more details, Small recordings become a lot more intimate and palpable. What are the differences between all Lumin network players? We sold all different Lumin network players. So we know them all very well. And most we also modified. We even modify the Lumin L1. The Lumin D1, D2, T1 and A1 all use the same DAC. We created the AudioFacts Pro modification for all different Lumin products. We even created a new modification for the T2. The T2 uses a different DAC and also a different power supply. All D1’s and D2’s we sold with a modified Sbooster. For the D2 we have a special build external input for the use of a Sbooster. Sbooster has built this, especially for some Lumin network players. It brings the D1 and D2 to a superior level when you connect a modified Sbooster to it. The D1 and D2 with a Pro modification outperformed the Lumin A1 even on all 8 aspects of sound. The parts we use are even superior compared to those which are used in the A1. The Lumin T2 uses a new double Sabre DAC 9028 Pro. It is a lot less analog and involving than the D1 and D1 are. So we had to adapt it a lot to create a more analog sound. And also an improved level in diversity in sound. We also use a modified Sbooster with the T2. This makes a huge difference. In 3 weeks a client of ours will put a review of it here on Audiogon. We were the first company in Europe who received the Lumin X1. Even no company in the US owned an X1 at that time. We modified the power supply. What brings the X1 to an even higher level in realism and coherent sound. Before we used the Lumin S1. What is still a great player. But the modified X1 comes from a different planet. When I started in 2012 to test many network players and DACS I was very disappointed. I had sold my 25000 dollar Meridian DACv4 and thought it would become easy to surpass the Meridian. But it took us a long time to find and create a new level in the analog sound that surpasses CD-players. But now in 2019 after 4 years of being an official Lumin dealer, we are so blessed. Together with the best specialists in modifications, we reached a level we could only dream of. Research and innovation are needed to bring network players to a much higher level in realism and emotion. It is always our goal to help people to bring them as close as possible to the emotion of their beloved music. |
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bo1972 I am thinking about upgrading my D2 and I like the idea of the L1 especially if the sound quality is better than streaming from a NAS.Do you connect the L1 directly to a Lumin streamer via usb, or with ethernet to the network?And is there any trick to use it as a Roon storage somehow?My Roon core is on the NAS, and as far as I know the only way is to connect the L1 directly to the core computer via usb, but that does not seem the best option considering the sound quality...? |
@KZS70 You always connect the L1 into a network. Lumin works totally different than all other brands that sell network players. We are a company that shares a lot of insight and knowledge directly to manufacturers when this is possible. We even have a network specialist who knows a lot about everything that relates to networks. First I used an IFI power supply on our network switch. But one day I tried to connect a modified SBooster (what is over 200% better than a standard Sbooster) to the Network switch. It was one of the biggest discoveries I ever did in audio. These days most of our clients use a modified Sbooster on their switch. What I did I send a Sbooster to clients. Just to take a listen. I never got one back. It is difficult to understand. What it does is so impressive. We had discussions about this with different manufacturers. Sbooster said that the extreme benefit of a modified Sbooster put on a network switch only works for Lumin network players. I am a music addict since I was 6. Now I have for over 25000 dollars of music on my Lumin L1. I spend about 200 dollars each month on new music. Music which is put on a modified Lumin L1 is far superior to any kind of streaming or Roon. I understand the convenience of Roon. But it is inferior to the same music played by a modified Lumin L1. Most of our clients use both the L1 and steaming by Qobuz, Roon or Tidal. But they all agree that streaming with a modified Lumin L1 is from a different level. Our clients use the word addictive a lot when they talk about the modified Lumin L1. They often stream a lot less after they bought a modified Lumin L1. The reason for this is the much higher level of emotion. This is why I often say: "Emotion is the only key to success and happiness in audio" . The USB of the Lumin L1 is only used for storage. USB is one of the main reasons why people experience music without emotion. We talked to people who develop and create DACS and network players. They said that USB never should have been chosen for audio. All tests we did with the use of USB we hear that the level in diversity (layering) is limited. So it becomes clear why people prefer their CD-player or even turntable. The reason why we modify network players with an inbuilt DAC is based on the fact that the level in layering is superior to even the most expensive DACS. We don’t sell any DAC at this moment. Because the tests prove that we easily can outperform network players with expensive DACS. In our world, all choices are being made at the highest level in the end result we can achieve. It is always about effectiveness. In our word will never be room for second best or even less. It is our goal that each client will always get the best end result and quality for the money they spent. You need to see the Lumin L1 as extra storage of your music beside streaming or Roon. We see also a lot of mistakes made with the settings of all Lumin network players. The unknown is still rather big in the world of audio. |
My experiences in digital do not include streaming or downloads. My CD rips are to CDs via the Alesis Masterlink. I still prefer the original DAT recordings from the 90s played back through my all tube/analog audio system. I can’t get the bass and dynamics from the DAT (Tascam) machine through it’s outputs. However, CD copies through Masterlink using only MAM-A and JVC audio CDs sound as good as the original CDs. My high end (not SOTA) CD players are very analog-like and certainly provide immense emotional satisfaction and layering of sound. Due to great mastering/remastering of many of my CDs, those CDs become my preference. Occasionally, an LP will surpass the well remastered version. I am speaking of Jazz and Classical, well mastered original rock LPs generally sound better their CD counterparts. I was thinking of upgrading my best CD player to a COS Engineering H-1 DAC. I am pending hearing it in my system. In my friends system, it sounds twice as good in resolution and soundstaging. I just wonder if it has the tonal richness and pacing of music as my own. |
We did spend a lot of time in the diversity (layering) of sound in digital audio. We compared and listened to many DACS and network players. I started with it in 2012. I can say now in 2019 that by far most DACS and network players are all not able to create a satisfying level in emotion. The level of diversity (layering) is often so limited. For no human being, this will ever create an emotional feeling. Sound has 100% nothing to with any silly kind of personal preference of it. The music which is recorded owns the emotion. So it makes sense that an audio system needs to reveal the details and different aspects of the music on the recording. Besides the fact that most DACS and network players are poor in the harmonics of the music. They even miss more aspects/properties of sound. This will bring down the level of emotion even more. When manufacturers know very little about sound and music. And even know little about the different aspects which influence both sound and stage negatively. You all understand now (I hope) why most products can never make you become happy. Because only emotion can lead to happiness in audio. I used and owned the most expensive CD-players in the world. When I started to look in 2012 to find a substitution for my CD-player, I found out that even regardless of money there was nothing I could live with. An extreme perfectionist is always looking for things that need to be superior. So I made a lot of contacts with people who develope them. After different conversations, I knew that regardless of money I could never become happy. When we became Lumin dealer for the first time I had a feeling that it could be better than CD-players. But I wanted more, so I wanted to outperform all CD-players and even turntables. So I started to find the best people in modifications in digital sources. I had a lot of ideas to improve digital audio to a new level in sound quality and emotion. Our modifications are not only focused on superior parts. But also focused on the influence of electro-smog, high-frequency noise, and magnetism on sound and stage. People have no idea how extreme the negative influence is of all these aspects on your digital source at home. Now in 2019, our world has become a very promising and happy one. We made a lot of progress. I could never expect that we could even outperform turntables in layering in sound. When we compare a 180 grams Patricia Barber LP played on an expensive turntable I can outperform it on layering in sound with our DSD recording of it on each modified Lumin. We don’t even need to use our modified Lumin X1. Dedication and innovation are needed to create new levels in digital audio. I think most manufacturers have been sleeping for many years now. When I compare 2012 against now, the facts still prove that most DACS and network players are very limited in layering in sound even today. Money will never help you in audio. Regardless of money, most audio products can still not reveal all aspects of sound. Without all aspects of sound no audio system can ever make any human being satisfied for a longer period of time. EMOTION IS THE ONLY KEY TO SUCCESS IN AUDIO |
As I’ve oft reported on these fora the problem with digital playback originates in the CD player - specifically in the CD transport. The problems inherent in CD transport design occur in the first microsecond when the nanoscale laser beam reads the physical data carved into the metal layer of the CD. Yes, I realize Compact Discs have always been promoted to sound perfect, with extremely high SNR and Dynamic Range. But what instantly degrades the sound are external vibration, the vibration of the CD itself whilst spinning and background scattered laser light getting into the photo detector. 👀 These oft overlooked or ignored problems cannot be corrected downstream. Not by the DAC, not by jitter reduction boxes, etc. Can I be the only person in the world who’s heard what is actually recorded on CDs? You guys are missing about 50% of it. In terms of SNR, dynamic range and detail. I’m not hot doggin ya! 🌭It’s no wonder so many folks get on board the Audio Nervous train 🚂 and can never get off. We’re all bozos on this train. 🤡 |
Yes, the level of the jitter is a lot higher when you use a CD-player. The other problem almost all people make is the fact that they (wanna) believe that a separate DAC is always the best solution. This is only based on an assumption people want to believe. Only because it has been said. DACS still loses too much diversity (layering) in sound. Even the most expensive ones show the same limitations. ONLY FACTS WILL LEAD TO THE REAL TRUTH You can read whatever you want and think whatever you want. But these words and thoughts have no meaning when they are not the truth. Trial&error is the main reason why audio in 2019 has created a decreasing market. When I talk with manufacturers about the decreasing market in audio, they even agree with me that trial&error is ineffective and the reason why the market is decreasing. But in the past, they all could get away with it because everyone believed in it. Now they all see that they can not change it anymore. The other important limitation can be found in the fact that humans can only perceive 1 to 3 aspects of sound at the same moment. You need to be able like I am to perceive all 8 aspects of sound within 1/10 of a second. This is why money will never save and help you. When your brains are not fit to reveal all 8 aspects of sound you can never make the right decision in your choices in audio. I talked with hundreds of people. They all had similar experiences that trial&error makes them never find the sound and stage they hope for. Trial&error is just like an illusion. Based on the 100% fact that it is not possible to understand what each individual part you change for another part does to the end result. It has no real foundation. In all the discussions I had with manufactures they all agreed that trial&error has no foundation. EVERYTHING IN LIFE WITHOUT A FOUNDATION CAN NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD BY ANY HUMAN You need to explain in detail what the full DNA (aspects/properties of sound) are of each individual part within your system. After this, you need to explain in full detail what the influence is of electro-smog, the acoustic, magnetism and high-frequency noise on your sound and stage independently. When you are not able to do this, it is 100% impossible to understand what you are doing regarding your choices in audio. Trial&error is nothing more than pure gambling in choices. This is why you keep on buying until you die. And still, your system is incomplete in aspects/properties of sound. So the level of emotion will always be limited. The money will never solve or help you to create an ultimate level in audio. Because almost all produced audio products can still not reveal all aspects of sound. Everything you place into your system that is incomplete (lacks different aspects/properties of sound) will always create a negative influence on the end result. So the level in emotion and realism will stay low. THIS IS WHY ONLY EMOTION CAN MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY IN AUDIO |
bo1972"The other problem almost all people make is the fact that they (wanna) believe that a separate DAC is always the best solution. This is only based on an assumption people want to believe. Only because it has been said. DACS still loses too much diversity (layering) in sound. Even the most expensive ones show the same limitations. ONLY FACTS WILL LEAD TO THE REAL TRUTH" A properly designed, manufactured, implemented, and installed DAC will outperform any builtin DAC every single time and if you have "FACTS" that show otherwise I challenge you to reveal, present, and explain them here but you will NOT do that because of you're committment to TRU-FI which has been clearly shown, demonstrated, and revealed to be tragically, hopelessly, and fatally flawed by failure to identify, measure, and correct for ICSS distortion as I have shown to you in your own store! |
Funny, I don't keep buying equipment until I die. I've upgraded my cabling and tweaks but that's it for 13 years. I plan to upgrade my speakers in the future and possibly my DAC. Listening to Patricia Barber recordings is not my choice for judging an audio system. I use a broad selection from various genres of music. I prefer analog recordings made in the 1950's and 1960's. Maybe the Lumin modified is great. I've heard many excellent DACs in the past 10 years compared to terrible sounding CD players from the 1980s. |
The biggest benefit of a turntable is the fact that you can play old records that come from the real master. Because there are many old recordings from which there are no real masters anymore. So they use a back-up copy from which they made a CD. But all these CDs are very poor. This means that no CD-player or even network player can ever come close to a good turntable with old recordings. I heard it at different times and I sold also many turntables in the past. It is maybe not my personal choice, but I understand very well the benefit of a turntable. When a network player has an inbuilt DAC the level in layering becomes bigger. This is why it is a lot more effective to modify a network player with an inbuilt DAC. Now in 2019 we are still waiting and hoping to find a separate DAC that has a much higher level in diversity in sound. We always make those choices that create the best results. We auditioned many expensive DACS with network players and they were not able to reveal the same level in layering we have. Besides the layering in sound, a modified Lumin is a lot more dynamic compared to separate DACS with network players. I need to mention that we also use modified power supplies. So the combination of a modified Lumin network player and a separate modified power supply together makes the big difference in the end result. The Lumin owns the perfect DNA to be upgraded with a modification. This means that their technique is essential for us to create and achieve this ultimate level. This is why we are always are looking for the best DNA to create together with our modifications to the best results. Without this DNA it is impossible to create any ultimate level in quality and end result. This means that even before a modification the source needs to be able to reveal all aspects of sound. |
My direct disc 78s didn't have tape in the way. They can have superb musicality despite their sonic shortcomings. However, CD remasterings can improve the sound with reequalization, speed control (for acoustics) and noise reduction that enhances the sound as well as the performance. I appreciate the sound of my CD remastered 78s more with my higher end (not SOTA) system, particularly due to their performance and dynamics sound. |
bo1972"When a network player has an inbuilt DAC the level in layering becomes bigger. This is why it is a lot more effective to modify a network player with an inbuilt DAC." The "layering" that you refer to here is an illusion that is a a direct, inherent, and inescapable consequence of your inability, refusal, and failure to adjust for ICSS distortion in your "Tru-Fi" protocol and in absolute fact if you were not using inferior, substandard, poorly designed Music Reproduction System component's you would have no need, desire, or motivation to modify them which of course immediately and permanently voids warranty protection for the customer! |
Soon different clients will tell in a review their own experiences. The distributor of Lumin is so impressed that they will invite Lumin to visit us. Soon we will publish it as well. The facts always will tell the truth. All our products have 2 years full warranty. Even the modified ones. We made perfect agreements with the distributor of Lumin. HERE ARE SOME FACTS TOO; Thread: Wilson Audio Haters 01-18-2017 8:12pmWith your permission, if I may, please kindly allow me to elucidate these matters regarding Bo, who is a visionary and trailblazer in the world of hi-fi. How, you may ask, do I have anything to contribute to this detailed discussion? I am a client of Bo. By client I mean that I am not a customer. It is much the same as when you visit a physician or a lawyer. The wise man does not instruct the professional how to treat his ills! He entrusts the outcome with the professional of his choosing. Otherwise a man could treat or represent himself. Music is all about emotion. When I felt that my music reproduction system and associated components and installation was failing to deliver proper emotion to me I decided to seek Bo for consultation. Bo was very generous with his time! He showed me how Tru-Fi works. It can be demonstrated to every listener that Tru-Fi works by applying properties to the reproduction of music. By proper application of these properties, which sometimes requires adjustments to within .5 mm, Tru-Fi can be achieved and all will agree that this is how hi-fi should be sold. Not all components are capable of Tru-Fi. Because Bo has a photographic memory as applied to sound reproduction, Bo can identify those components that deliver 3D sound! Most components deliver only 1D or 2D sound! This Bo can demonstrate. Bo can evaluate your 1D or 2D music reproduction system and prescribe a solution using components that are 3D and can deliver Tru-Fi. These are improvements all can hear because music is about emotion and all can feel the emotion in reproduced music once Bo has demonstrated Tru-Fi to you. He can do this in a shootout as he has done many times and proven to all who listen. Throughout the course of Human History visionaries and trailblazers have been laughed at, minimalized, derided, ridiculed and chided. Bo knows this! He is being generous by contributing here to share his knowledge about Tru-Fi and the way it can be applied using properties to music reproduction systems and installations. He has demonstrated to many manufacturers, distributors and designers of components used in music reproduction systems the ways of Tru-Fi and properties and I suspect that you will see some major manufacturers adopt Tru-Fi methods, techniques, standards and practices as time moves forward. This is because all who hear Tru-Fi exclaim for the first time they are hearing the emotion in music, which is what music is all about. Those of you here who are dubious about Bo have never heard Tru-Fi and have not heard 3D sound in their music reproduction systems. Once you have heard Tru-Fi, you will realize that all other approaches to the design, assembly, fabrication, installation and specifying of music reproduction systems is flawed. Only Tru-Fi can deliver the emotion in music, which is what music is all about. There is no point to music reproduction systems if there is no emotion. I hope Bo will forgive me speaking on his behalf here. clearthink 879 posts When we did not want to help him anymore, he became very aggressive and start telling lies. These kinds of people are mentally sick. It is really sad that they can not control themselves. And put a lot of lies and nonsense on this website. |
bo1972"This person has never been a client of ours." That is what you wrote right in this thread but then when you are faced with the actual truth about you're practices that include modifying equipment and invalidating manufacturer's original warrantys you then claim: " When we did not want to help him anymore, he became very aggressive and start telling lies. These kinds of people are mentally sick. It is really sad that they can not control themselves. And put a lot of lies and nonsense on this website." So it you you who are lieing and you know truthfully that you're modifications are not appropriate and render warrantys useless and sometimes an item that is not readily repairable and that the manufacturer will not even service as is what happened to my neighbor who also use to be you're customer! I could have this post of your's deleted for attacking me but I will leave it hear for all to see and judge for themselves about you! |
It stands for True Fidelity. What is based on how sound and music sounds in reality. I have been addicted to music since I was 6. This is why I started to do this for a profession. I want people to experience their beloved music at the highest level possible. Sound and also music is built on different aspects/properties. What I wrote many times you need them all to hear and experience the emotion of the music you play. The reason why we started to modify is based on the fact that audio products are not good enough to create an ultimate level in emotion and realism. This is why I want to use conservatorium students during audio presentations to show that we reproduce music as it sounds in real. Intimate sound is one of the aspects of sound. Both voices and instruments are very small in dimension. Besides the size, we can also give both voices and instruments what we call a 3D shape. Most people who work in audio even know very little about music and sound. And the same counts for those who spend serious money on audio products. So you can not blame consumers to buy the wrong products. At this moment there is a serious problem regarding digital sources. Because of the fact that most digital sources and DACS miss so much quality that the level of emotion is very limited. Most people over here experience the same limitations when you read this thread. We auditioned many network player and DACS in over 7 years of time now. Then you know that there is a serious problem. When consumers only can buy network players and DACS who all create a low level in diversity (layering) in sound. It is impossible to stay happy with this. Because of human emotion will make you aware that it lacks emotion. |
Audio Troy brings up some good points and advice. However, the issue IMO is Tidal itself. I don't think you are getting good quality sound with it in comparison to a CD player. Try ripping some CDs and playing those and do a comparison with the CDP. I have a Lumin Mini with a T+A Dac and I burned all of my CDs and sold the CDP. You have to compare apples to apples. |
The problem we found regarding switches, is exactly the same you hear and see regarding all audio products. The fact that they are incomplete. This means that they can not reveal all aspects of sound. When we compare different switches with each other it becomes clear that the differences are huge. Lumin works differently regarding the transport of data. For this, the impact and result of using a better network switch are bigger compared to most other network players. We have sold many modified Sboosters on the switch we use. Most of our clients experienced it as one of the most impressive upgrades they ever made. At first, you think and even believe that it can not make a big difference. But......audio is all about facts and what it does to the end result. |
Streaming music (uncompressed) suppose sound as good as CD player if you used same DAC. I like Tidal streaming esp with MQA. If I have collection of SACD and 192/24 HiRes music and they do sound better than 44.1/16. However, I enjoy reading CD booklet while listening to mt CDs. I enjoy the music regardless of format. |
