Who makes budget speaker cables which are truly “good” or “exceptional” in quality?
A dealer of mine convinced me into buying Analysis Plus speakers cables that I have enjoyed for a few years now. I noticed some other companies making speaker cables for many multiples of $1k and wondered how many truly good companies are making budget speaker cables nowadays? Who are they? What are the prices? I had Blue Jean speaker cables some years back and thought they were as good as the Analysis Plus brand I have now. What is your brand? .
willemj said: " Ordinary basic cable is good enough. The rest is a rip off." It is not "good enough" for everybody. How many cables have you listened to?
There is a market for expensive cables. That market is for those who spend the money and then truly believe they can hear a difference. If they believe they hear a difference, then they feel that their music sounds more pleasing and therefore is a positive thing.
The cables don't have to really do anything to please this market, and if that segment of the market is pleased, these cables serve a purpose. I'm just glad I cannot hear any difference when there is none. My cables are a mix of Kimber Kable, Wireworld and Monoprice. They all sound pretty damn good though the Kimbers look cooler.
Wow I'm having a right laugh here, nothing gets peoples backs up like cables and after market fuses. My thoughts if it rocks your boat and you can afford it do it because we are not going to be here for a particularly long time. Oh and I believe in both categories so do your worst.
willemj said: " Ordinary basic cable is good enough. The rest is a rip off." It is not "good enough" for everybody. How many cables have you listened to?
I bet my cables that willemj listens to the radio with speakers.
Don't forget, in your DIY cables, to do two things. Freeze all the components (with dry ice) for a few days before assembly and then after the cables are fabricated, duct tape some batteries to them. Won't need a soldering gun because they don't have to be in any way actually connected - according to Audioquest. And fuzes are a good idea. I think the improvement will be jaw-dropping.
You’re ruining my fun. ;) I’m taunting. Very gently taunting and making a joke, kinda thing.
We make uber expensive cables. Low prices ones as well. Both with the same exotic technology that has no widespread accepted mathematical analogy, as of yet. It will come, obviously, but it’s not here yet. (supercomputers are the starting point to map this stuff but first you need the model.... you can get a top notch multidisciplinary physicist, sit them down and then explain the complexities of the scenario and then watch them reel as they try to grok the complexity of attempting to map it)
We’d love to make an inexpensive speaker cable with this technology but it simply can’t be done.
As for the batteries, etc, that is valid. I’ve no desire to explain the scientific reasoning behind someone eles’s product. Whether one likes what it does or not, is up to the buyer to listen and decide.
I’d like to say though, I’ve never heard one of these ’powered’ cables. When the description came along as to the construction of them, I immediately saw the SCIENTIFIC VALIDITY of what was going on.
Who makes budget fantastic speaker cables? Me! And I'm serious about this. I happen to be working at the right place (a theatre) to have access to the best possible wires. So I take a few meters from the Sound department at no cost and just plug them in my system. I can assure you that nobody notices the difference between these improvised cables and my expensive Cardas, Wireworld or Morrow. I've done the testing many times and I'm selling the other cables to retrieve some money. DIY with the best materials is the right choice.
All designers of cables were originally DIY. No exceptions.
If you don't hear the difference, save your money.
However, sooner or later, most audio people will hear a difference, and marvel at it.
The trick is to apply the right form of reason to what is heard. That is a multifaceted task of enormous complexity that can take decades to unravel.
No shiny red button quick fixes where ignorance can throw money at it and make it better. That's where the ignorance and bull combines to make a mess out of things. Just like it does in all areas of business.
@willemj - Well, thanks for posting your uninformed thoughts. As J. Gordon Holt used to say: "If you haven’t heard it, then you don’t have an opinion." I, too, could post on every thread here on the Forum to chime in about things I haven’t heard and know nothing of, but I don't. I read more than I type. If you want your fellow Audiogoners to respect your opinions, some selectivity is always a good idea.
I’m always checking out bargains, reading reviews, etc. and I came across an ad at amazon where Cabledyne sells their older version of speaker cables at 50% off.
They're solid, rectangular, single core 12 gauge high purity silver, and appear to be very well made. Six feet for $250. They only come terminated with spades. Might be worth checking out.
Thanks for the heads up on the cabledyne cables. Not a bad price for silver speaker cables. I emailed Ed Bowman and got an immediate response. I really wanted to try the Cerious cables but due to lack of communication with the owner I thought I would try pure silver cables. Thanks!
You're very welcome. I'd try them myself but I can't used spades on my integrated due to the 5 way binding posts (can't get a decent grip) so bare ends and bananas are all I can use.
Steven at Straightwire! Great customer service, honest and superb product. Endeavors to know you and your system and what you listen to. Always use them in future.
Cables are a simple matter. If you can hear a difference, you can then decide what you prefer and how much or how little you are willing to spend.
If not, stick with Monoprice or the equivalent.
I once auditioned Magnepan 1.7's at a high-end audio salon. The speaker cables they were using cost in excess of $5000.00. The salesman told me "If you think this sounds good, wait until you hear the $35,000 versions of these cables."
I discovered (step by step) how to make the ultimate no-loss speakercables back in the 90`s. The thruth is so simple that most "educated" audiophiles will not believe it. this also made me rebuild my powerap, replacing the trafos++
Thick(!) clean solid-core copper all the way is the solution and cleaner, opener 3D and a lot better Dynamics are the result.
None of the "high-end" cable companies are even close to do this right.
I just put my belden 5t00up 10awg back in my system after toying with some 13awg starquad for a few weeks, and wow wow, the sound is more dynamic, open, clear, just as if a little more amp power and control capability just got unleashed. Wire length is in the 10-11ft neigborhood. Speakers are 6 ohms nominal. Quality copper and heavy gauge is hard to surpass!
Have tried many different brands of cables in my system but the ones I like best are some made with Western Electric 16ga. Wire. They have a nice smooth sound. I use these on my Infinity IRS Betas.
chrisr; 10awg solid core is in the (minimum) area where it starts to happen, the amp seems to grow or open up, specially in the low end. Bi- or tri- wiring improves the top end further.
+9(?) for Signal Cable. I'm running the Silver Resolution all around - XLR ICs and speaker cable. Truth be told, I like them more than a well known 'big name' cable at more than two or more times the price.
I happened to make the observation last week that of the 800 or so listings for pre-owned cable products on US Audio Mart, only one of them was for a set of the ICs. Granted, market share needs to be factored, but methinks that says something. Make of it what you will.
Isn’t Mogami cables designed and marketed for Pro Audio? I certainly don’t want to get into or start a debate on cables used for Pro Audio vs Home HiFi. In same context, I bet @travbrow wouldn’t be able to discern any audible differences between audio cables from Monoprice outlet and Mogami?
If you can justify the expense of trying exotic cables and enjoy it there’s nothing wrong with it, it’s your time and money. I have some "budget" VH AUDIO cables and DIY stuff and did try some more expensive stuff and decided my budget stuff is good enough for me. Half my gear has stock power cords and don’t feel I’m missing out.
Now if I feel like tweaking, I’ll mess with room treatments, speaker position tweaks and room correction tweaks. Stuff that’s scientifically sound. If you think a length of wire makes significant difference to you, more power to you.
@travbrow - Your last post was quite reasonable. My point above in response to your earlier post was simply that, as JGH used to say, "if you haven't heard it, you don't have an opinion." Every system, room, ears, and brain is different. YMMV, so I try to avoid statements like "this Radio Shack wire is better than any other wire ever made in the history of electronics." And there is a lot of science to wire technology, although not all claimed wire science is good science. Rejection of RFI and EMI alone is a good reason to invest at least a little in well-designed wires, IMHO.
“Now if I feel like tweaking, I’ll mess with room treatments, speaker position tweaks and room correction tweaks. Stuff that’s scientifically sound. If you think a length of wire makes significant difference to you, more power to you.”
Trouble is not only does the type of metal, purity of metal, thickness of the metal, dielectric material, or whether the cable is cryod, but also which direction the cable is inserted into the system. Infuriatin’ ain’t it? “Stuff that’s are scientifically sound.” Good one! English major, right?
I'll admit I enjoyed experimenting with cables especially the DIY cables I made. The problem I see is manufacturers trying to BS people or take advantage of an audiophile's pursuit of improvements. The never ending more expensive "upgrades" these cable manufacturers push. Some with hard to believe claims plus the 200 hour burn in baloney.
I have a test CD that plays a tone to demagnatize the cables. I play it every once in a while and not sure if it does anything. Also it's not hard or doesn't take exotic material or designs to reject noise in my opinion. Also, don't forget all your recordings are made with plan old cheap shielded pro cables. I find it hard to believe much can be gained from over the top expensive cables vs common sense aproach affordable types.
Thats just what I think, right or wrong, some would agree some not so much.
travbrow sez: "The problem I see is manufacturers trying to BS...audiophiles..."
As you can see from the hundreds, if not thousands, of posts throughout this forum, praising the "jaw-dropping" improvements to be has from exotic cables, the BS works.
If you don't mind dealing in BS, there is plenty money to be made.
@dynaquest4 And then they upgrade to the next more expensive offering, and after the recommended burn in time...even more amazed and shocked at how awesome their system sounds cause of freakin wires. I'm not doubting difference in sound but the hype is top notch.
I second a recommendation for Blue Jeans cable. Fantastic value for what you get. Have their speaker cable, digital and interconnects and couldn’t be happier. Are there better cables out there? Of course, but you would be spending quite a bit more to best the sound.
I bought Clear Day Cables Double Shotguns about 6 years ago and absolutely loved them. Then, recently I decided to try Dueland 14G wire as I had heard good things and they are relatively cheap. At first I thought they were better than the Clear Days, but after a few weeks of listening I realized they lacked the air and bloom of the Clear Days. I have now switched back and will not be going back. Contact me if you want to buy the Duelands from me.
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