No surprise.They change their product line as fast or faster than most manufactures.The Z line going or gone,the X line could be going out as Ive seen several of the X3 and X6 on secondary market cheap from dealers as demo stock which is always a good sign things are changing.Will be interesting to see what they offer at Axpona this year.
By all accounts they make some great speakers, but I hope they don’t fall into incremental/habitual upgraditis (a la Denafrips and Hifiman as two examples) as it tends to piss existing customers off and causes potential new buyers to just buy used models as the benefits of the newer models just aren’t worth paying up for.
I don't think it was Borresen's intent ever to be a "more affordable" brand.
The X series was probably a more temporary offering to get their sound in the hands of more individuals and get them talking (get the hype up)....because there's not much of a sonic difference between the X's and the higher models I've heard if you equalize the electronics.
The higher models sounded better because they had their flagship electronics tied to it, no real miracle of the speaker.
rsf507..I totally agree,but on the used market they can be a decent to good buy....X3 are trading right at or under 6k,I think the discussions of the issues with that speaker has not help them holding value on the secondary market . Im guessing 12 months from now under 5k used . Im sure the X series will be in the rear view mirror at Boressen by then..... $5900 on the X1 speakers,maybe maybe not a good buy..im guessing you would be hard pressed to get over 4k for them if that..
Most audio gear does not hold value very well at all. Maybe if you sell quickly while a component is still in the "flavor of the month" status, you might do okay. Or maybe if the item becomes highly sought after or a rare classic over the years, it might actually increase in value. But for every one of those there are hundreds of other components which now sell for a fraction of their original price.
This is great for people buying 2nd hand, and not so great for those who purchased new. So it's a matter of perspective.
Because I have the KEF reference 3s, the Focal scala EVOS, and the Clarysis Minuet+s on the way. I just enjoy trying new stuff, my Xs are mint and I do have original receipt showing I paid 10500 from House of Stereo, Florida.
That makes sense ,not financially though...there are lots of audio that hold value ie..I bought a pair of Dynaudio C4s,used them for 7 years and when i sold them they were still in their lineup as current..sold basically for what i paid...McIntosh is another brand, B&W seems to do well,Focal seems to hold value..list goes on and on..Boressen just as with Raidho (when he was there) change way way too often ,what's current today is replaced tomorrow. I lost my ass with Raidho so I would never buy new Boressen, but thats just me.
You should probably sell the Focal and Clarysis instead...and set up the Borresens with some bass management + subs.
Because I have the KEF reference 3s, the Focal scala EVOS, and the Clarysis Minuet+s on the way. I just enjoy trying new stuff, my Xs are mint and I do have original receipt showing I paid 10500 from House of Stereo, Florida.
I don't know who is responsible for the B.S. present in all the older Raidho and now Borresen advertising but I am sure it is Lars, the man who spouts and spouts and busts your eardrums at any audio show, not mentioning his terrible taste in demo music.
My older Raidho D2s are superb loudspeakers, and my keepers, but they were $17k used and in mint condition with the Burl wood finish. They retailed at $59K when new and not so many years earlier.
Now their insane options, "cryo" for example, are simply ridiculous and worthy of 'the emperor's new clothes' as a moniker. I dare anyone to hear them and tell me the difference without sight, in one session or over months. I'm not sure who to blame but I sure think Mr. Marketing has a big hand in that B.S. as well.
Still they are great speakers but a fine example of phenomenal diminishing returns unless purchased used.
The pricing on higher end models of Borresen is perhaps inspired by Daryl Willy and Alon Wolf (none of these guys have ever been worth the price), but...atleast they look better/have higher WAF than Daryl and Alon’s stuff.
I don’t know who is responsible for the B.S. present in all the older Raidho and now Borresen advertising but I am sure it is Lars, the man who spouts and spouts and busts your eardrums at any audio show, not mentioning his terrible taste in demo music.
My older Raidho D2s are superb loudspeakers, and my keepers, but they were $17k used and in mint condition with the Burl wood finish. They retailed at $59K when new and not so many years earlier.
Now their insane options, "cryo" for example, are simply ridiculous and worthy of ’the emperor’s new clothes’ as a moniker. I dare anyone to hear them and tell me the difference without sight, in one session or over months.
Agreed! I don't plan to sell my D2s unless I hit the mega-lottery, as another step up would be pretty much a supreme effort in diminishing returns so far as I can tell.
For my medium sized open room the D2s still float my boat after almost nine years. I know folks get bent about blind testing and I always test over a long period of time without going 'blind' but the differences are rather sublime at a certain level.
There are 16 pairs of Borresen speakers listed for sale on hifishark. One dealer is selling 4-5 demo pairs. Doesn't sound like a dearth of used one for sale to me.
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