I've read many posts here on Audiogon as to the extremes many of you have gone in pursuing sound perfection. I wonder what made you select this "nutty hobby" in the first place??
I became involved with this hobby through my grandfather and uncle. I have a cherished photo of grandad standing nest to his stereo cabinet he built himself containing the Lafayette integrated he also built. Taken in about 1965/66 in Eureka Kansas pop. 2,000 no audio stores for miles. He had an AR turntable with an Empire cart. and Electro-voice Baron speakers. I listened to this combo a lot as a kid. I bought the Yamaha NS 1000M new in 1978 at the age of 19. I still own them and am in the process of refinishing the cabinets. (added new KLE 5 way binding post last night) They saw a few too many parties in their early years. They still sound fantastic especially now that I have way better electronics than my cheapo Kenwood receiver I bought with them at the time. I bought a stereo a full two years before I bought my first car. It took me that long to pay for it. I spent $1,600.00 in 1978.
My classsical cd collection is drawing me to go Farther, wider, deeper , Mods/upgardes glaore, Read my posts, ck out my YT vids. I'm approcahing the Everest peaks,, leaving another base camp with each upgrade, modification/addition. Schnittke, Pettersson, Ravel, Carter, Henze, to name a few which makes me spend $$$$$$,,with no remorse. Straeming? HA!, No way,, , Most of my classical cds are not streamed, and my tube cd sounds wayyyy superior to digital streaming.
I walked into biology lab at age 14 as a high school freshman and the teacher had classical music playing on a mono system and I was a dead duck. That was 64 years ago and I'm still hooked.
Waffle 35 Yes,well hidden from the wife.sometimes i wonder why they aren't more into it.My wife loves music,hears much better then i do and yet doesn't understand the emotion that one can feel when Gerry Mulligan's baritone sax plays beneath Chet Bakers Trumpet and then takes the lead.Of course she doesn't understand the cost for this either
I met a guy in a cafe and we got into the whole pro vs hi-fi audio argument. He invited me to listen to his system that was probably worth the entire gear list in the studio I was at during the time. Scoffing at the waste of money I sat down and heard a breadth and scale I never heard before, on my own recordings!! There are different requirements, but ever since I've been trying to break down some of the attitude that can exist betwen the groups. In the end it's all about enjoying the music and keeping the money spent hidden from the wife!
Viridian,I did eventually find a 6 eye Sketches of Spain in a shop in Baltimore.Much better sounding then the Yellow Label I already had.I have Jim Halls Concierto but actually bought it because i'm a big fan of the Chet Baker. I dont have it on Mercury but i also have a RCA RED SEAL and a version by the Ramsey Lewis Trio,his second group. I dont have the amp any longer but the music lives on Thank you for your post. Enjoy
Goldenage- I parted with my quads because the panels kept arcing, and I didn't feel like eventually replacing ALL of them at over $500 per panel. I ended up going from the spectral gear (which I still have to sell) to Atma-sphere MA-1's and liked the results. Today I am getting far superior sound than even those Crosby'd 63's, but the Atma gear is here to stay.
Emailists, Thank you for your post.I have a friend that listens to his music on inexpensive headphones and derives pleasure from it.He states music is personal and using headphones makes it even more personal.Another of my friends listens to Rhythm and Blues from the 50's.He has about 7,000 of these oldies which would probably bring a kings ransom if he chose to sell them. He plays them on an old 45 RCA portable changer.I know they enjoy listening to their respective systems as much as i do listening to mine and although they can afford more than i,they would not spend anything close to what i have spent on components.So i guess "To Each His Own" I can still hear my Quad 63 (not Crosby mod's)powered by a Spectral 50 watt amp.I listen to Jazz,Jazz and more Jazz.This combo brought music to life.I am still wondering why I parted with them.
Let's be honest. There is a massive difference between regular music lovers/record collectors and what we do. I have friends that are even way more into music than I am, (constantly reading reviews to hear new artists, and seeing them live), but they don't have audiophile systems. I have a friend who has an encyclapedic knowledge of rock, a music server that is always on, and way more cash than I do. He has those tiny Bose acoustimass cubes and a sub, and for him they sound totally fine.
I believe that the true harcore audiophile is a unique breed whoose auditory center is either more deveoped than the average person, or perhaps for whom the auditory center is more closely tied in with the pleasure center.
I believe that differences I hear as being huge improvements in my system, are often only modest if at all gains to the the average set of ears.
My father and older brother were always into music as I am (for my 6th birthday present my neighbors asked what I wanted, which I told them was the Beatles LP latest at the time, "Let it be.") So I had pretty advanced tastes for child, but my father never bought more than a very simple and cheap rig, and my brother uses much of the same rig he had in high school, in the 70's.
I on the other am close to insane with this hobby, and have always wanted better gear since I was in junior high, though I was never exposed to anything high end till I sought it out in High School (but couldnt afford it)
The defining moment for me was when I went into a store to have my Mac SE computer fixed here in Manhattan, and saw the store also sold Quad ELS 63 USA's. Since I had read about 'stats, I had to hear them. Even though they were only played with modest Quad amps I knew I had to have them. I had never heard music reproduced that life like before.
I started going to the better high end stores and was shocked I needed $4,000 of MIT cable even to get to the the level of what Lyric had at the time.
I soon discovered Audiomart, and bought my entire first system used, including Crosby Quad 63's and those MIT shotgun cables I has seen. (along with Spectral amp and preamp)
I basically duplicated the system I saw at Lyric but used at less than half the price and better sounding (due to the Crosby mods to the 63's). I even bought some gear used listed in the Sunday NY Times - anyone else remember when those classified were a viable place to buy used hi end gear?
That first high end system was CD based, but I did have an old $100 technics turntable from my high school system. I was shocked how good that cheap table sounded compared to the $800 Phillips 880 CD player, and I bought a real table. At that time in NY everyone was selling their vinyl by the miikcrate to local stores like St, Marks sounds. In the late 80's/ early 90's I bought over 3500 LP's which formed the basis of my rock and jazz collection today.
I now mostly listen to LP and tubes, and couldn't be happier. After I finish this next speaker upgrade, my system should be stable for a long time, except for cables, tweeks, and replacing phono carts since there is basically no where for me to go as far as upgrades, unless I can spend spend way over 6 figures, (which I can't)
I truly love this hobby. I love hearing music with all the emotion, tonality and sonic detail of the original recording session as possible. Most live shows are too loud for me, and live jazz (and alot is amplified which kills the whole purpose) is really expensive. I can generally hear better musicians in my living room than are playing locally that night, with a fidelity approaching live unamplified music at the volume level of my choosing.
I thank you all for your participation. Some posts were very humorous,some brought back memories. I hope i didnt offend any of you with the word 'AUDIO". I know that two camps exist.Some say its the music that counts not the equipment. Well of course its the music but i had to re-think this a few years back when i passed on a 6 Eye Columbia "Sketches of Spain" that was selling for $80 but bought a $7500 amp the very same day. In this hobby the only thing that matters is how you feel when you hear the music.It matters not if you found it early in life at school as Oem did or if you were exposed to it from listening to your parents system,or the light was just turned on yesterday. Perhaps poster Psacanli is correct and we should be trying to have "Music Appreciation" back in our schools. After all,look what it did for us. Thank you all again Enjoy your music
Oem, your story proves that music appreciation should still be taught in every school. There are countless classical pieces & many operas that stir the soul of most young listeners. I think "America"-in particular-would benefit significantly from the excitement(without war), satisfaction(without overcoming/destroying), release(without the build up of anger & fear)and relaxation great music can provide. I can't help but imagine how much finer America and our pool of leaders would be if 'even' 1/2 the "warmaking" budget was spent on music, arts & the basics for the populace. Do perhaps some of use this hobby as an escape from daily cares? I'm guilty.
This hobby selected ME. In high school I got a job pressing records at the world's only (at that time) audiophile pressing plant. I soon became the Quality Manager. As a result of this experience I can honestly say there are probably less than 10 people alive who know as much about the secrets of vinyl as I do. Before I required reading glasses I could simply look at a freshly cut lacquer and tell the producer everything he/she needed to know about the eventual outcome of the finished product. But alas those days are long gone, as is my near-field vision! But the ears are still fine and I take great delight in exposing this current generation to the glories of analog playback.
In the early 50's my 6th grade teacher informed the class we were going to have MUSIC APPRECIATION for one hour every Tuesday afternoon.I thought this would allow me to listen to Frank Sinatra,Patty Page and that new guy Tony Bennett.They were always playing on my parents radio. Much to my surprise she played the The Peer Gynt Suite. I couldnt understand why someone would make a record with just music and no lyrics.That got me started on trying to find other recordings that was just music and opened a whole new world for me.Great Thread,lots of memories
I need to give credit to my father as well. Ever since I can remember, every Sunday, my Dad would play comedy record albums and Dixieland Jazz on his modest system. He had several hundred record albums dating back to the early 1950's. He especially liked Al Hirt and Louis Armstrong.
I grew up in a household that had tube gear, often kits, homemade speakers, reel to reel tape a "wired" house with speakers in 4 locations w/remote switching. My dad was a ham (W3SQE)so I was a Dx'er as a kid.He loved music too. In the 60's as a wee lad I remember jazz, Johnny Mathais, The Messiah evey year at this time and good comedy like Stan Freiberg, Elaine Mays comedy duo (forgot the guy) I am my fathers son! Thanks Dad!
I guess I was destined to pick this up as I used to play with the Gramophone as a five year old. The discovery of Stereophile, being stationed in Japan where I picked a new pair of B&W 802 S2 cheap and a trip to the Adelphi in Singapore also helped.
Dad had a great old Nordmende(?) console and collected folk,jazz,Perry,Dean,Frank,Torme etc.I think he had every Limelighters & Kingston Trio album. Wonderful memories.Ma&Grandma taught music. I'm appreciative of my enjoyment of music. It's a beautiful hobby to grow old with.
Hello Goldeneraguy, I grew up in Grand Rapids, Michigan and I still can call the same group of guys friends. The Yamaha NS1000 speakers were my dream speakers back then. Best regards, Stan
Talon4,Yes I remember the Yamaha NS1000 well.I almost purchased them but chose the Allison one speakers instead. i really cant say were better then the Yamaha's.But they were floor standers which I felt were more impressive at the time. You mention your friends a few times.Back in the 70's friendship meant a great deal.Why do i feel you grew up in New York?
Back in 1976, which was one year out of high school for me, my stereo system consisted of Yamaha NS690 speakers-(anyone remember the Yamaha NS1000 speakers?), Yamaha receiver, and Dual 1229 turntable. My friends and I would dream of 10k systems and would listen to rock music almost every night. We bought alot of record albums back then. I was interested in listening to music, mostly rock music, since I was twelve. Back then, today's classic rock was just... rock. My friends and I saw alot of rock concerts back then too. It was a great music era to grow up in.
My dad owned a TV/Audio shop - sales, install, repair. I went to the shop with him on Saturdays at a very early age (4-5). He'd work, and set me down with a screw driver, pliers, and something harmless like a broken up phonograph. While not doing that I'd just wander around the stacks of amps, speakers, TVs, or just watch him or his partner work on repairs.
That's the equipment part. I also have always liked music. My whole family did.
That's a good combination when the physics of most commercially available speakers are inherently flawed and the parts cost of top-notch drivers+cross-over electronics yields five-figure MSRPs.
I was building "tube and knuckle" scaffold inside a nuclear reactor and I had this song goin thru my head. And I thought.... this sounds better than my "Alpha-Newtron" reciever with bose speakers. I gotta do things different.
It came to as a dream one night. I must take on the personality of my father or I would be lost in life forever.I couldn't possibly have an original idea of my own if I tried. He loved music and equipment. Thus my super ego formed and I was ready to enter the realm of men. Actually it was an album by Van Morrison that my feces-o-sonic radio,record player, tape machine, with 2 very light wieght monitors that were hard wired to this reciever type thing. the old feces-o-sonic just could not as hard as it tried all the knobs turned to the max that could not play this album loud enough. Thus on that day in 1973 (age 14) The quest for the holy grail began. Where it stops nobody knows! Chicks didn't like me either..... until I went to college then they chose me, beats me I was ugly then and don't look any better now. The one thing my anchor/wife hassles me about is music played above 60db. At this point I think I am going to turn it up.
I blame the Beatles, Doors, Stones, Tull, Cat Stevens, Allman Brothers, Led Zeppelin, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Steely Dan, James Taylor, Rickie Lee Jones, Johnny Cash, Miles Davis, Byrds, Cream, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Santana, Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Charles Mingus, Ryan Adams, but mostly, the Beatles
I got tired of going to clubs to hear good bands only to leave stinking of smoke with my head pounding. I knew I had to find a better way to actually hear good music. My system is quite modest but it sure can sound good. It always smells good in here and after listening to some good music the ills of the world have faded away.
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