Why do you keep directing comments to me Bo? I said I was done with you several posts ago and my last few were directed to Zd and Seikosha. Yet you keep trying to drag me back in with silly accusations about making things personal, and immature attacks about equipment I have. At least I have pics posted to prove what I have. What pics or proof do you have Bo that own you anything at all?
I didn't ask for proof about you being the absolute best in show. Seikosha did and twice you won't provide it. Why can't you simply offer the names of the persons who bestowed this honor on you Bo along with a link to an article substantiating your claims? Then we will all be satisfied, apologize for doubting you and you will have earned some much needed credibility. This is how adults act. This is how a real man acts. He owns up to his claims and provides proof. He doesn't make silly attacks on Pioneer AVR's like a schoolboy.
Unless you can start proving your wild claims Bo, I can only surmise you are a fraud and worse, really know little about audio. Perhaps you should consider another hobby because this one seems to be blurring your reality. Now please go ahead and get in last word because I truly don't care what a fraud thinks about me or what I have. But a word of advice - you would be much better off providing proof of your best in show claim than continuing petty attacks on me.
Unless you miss me. |
Today I phoned with Monitor Audio and with Onkyo. Onkyo hired me to give a presentation last year. I told them how some people react on what I wrote. Paraneer will receive a few emailaddresses and he can ask if I told the truth or that I lie.
I like things to be open and clear :) |
Thanks Bo. I look forward to receiving them and when I do and if they pan out, I will be sure to share the info with everyone else here in this thread. Hopefully it won't be too long.
Meanwhile, have a good one. |
The owner of Monitor Audio Holland will be back next week. You will get your information :)
My Onkyo contact person is on holiday and will be back next week.
How stuppid you can be to think that I would tell lies. Everything I write and say is exactly as I told.
This is how I work and think for 16 years in audio. |
Bo, what I'm looking for is an independent 3rd party account of what your setups are like. Of course Onkyo and Monitor Audio are going to say your setup sounds great because it's in their best interest to say so.
I checked out some links on the Veldhoven show and couldn't find anyone commenting about the sound produced by the Monitor Audio or Onkyo setups. |
I will ask Audiogon to make a special site for people like you. I have a few idea's what names they can use:
- Audiobudget
- Audiolooser
- Audiolow |
Oepssss I forgot one name:
- Audiomongol |
Bo, you are completely out of line. You are apparently so stupid (using your words) that you think people are required to believe anything that comes from your mouth just because you say it is so. You are a fairly recent member here and no one on this site knows you at all. You have appointed your self as the one and only that knows it all in regards to audio. For some reason you expect people to take you at your word with no proof of the things that you claim. The world is full of people that are out only to further themselves. How does anybody here know that you are not one of them? The fact that you are defensive and insulting when asked to provide proof of your self proclaimed greatness only heightens suspicion. |
If you look at my last post Bo, I gave you a sincere thank you. And what do you do, more schoolboy taunts.
Classy Bo. Real classy. Nevertheless, I will await the emails from MA and Onkyo even though it appears it may take a week.
Hey, what is the name of the audio show in Veldhoven that you named absolute best in show at? Was it the X-Fi 2013 High End Audio Show in Veldhoven? |
What I said earlier; we have a more sarcastic kind of humor. Don't take it that serious! :)
The Xi-Fi was a show in september 2013. This was the worst show I even saw. And many agreed. There was a discussion under shopkeepers that shows need to change.
This was the worst advertisment for audio since I visit audio shows.
Next weeks you will get the emailaddresses.
The show was called; Nationale AV dagen, AV2day.
Was at 6,7 and 8 ( dealer day)of April 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIi1-CK5sPI
movie of our room. In front you see my set.
http://www.hifi.nl/artikel/20390/Onkyo-presentaties-Nationale-AV-dagen.html
My company is Sound&Vision Consulting. Onkyo hired me to do their presentation. I had all the freedom to do it my way. I also test new amps for them. |
Thanks again Bo. Appreciate you giving us the name of the show and links. Now your really starting to step up to the plate.
The above is a compliment in America, not a slam by the way. So don't take it the wrong way.
From your revealing post above, we have definitely established a few things. One, you do sell audio products, whether through direct retail or consultancy and two, you have a relationship with Onkyo and Monitor Audio, the two brands you love to push.
So, when your buddies from Onkyo and Monitor Audio email to tell me their products were best in show, I won't be surprised. After all, I wouldn't expect them to say Pioneer or B&W. I'll keep my word and let everyone on the forum know that employees of Onkyo and Monitor Audio said Bo's presentation of their products were the best at the show. |
I use only 3 brands for amps: Onkyo, Primare and Pass Labs
Cables: Audioquest, Purist Audio and Kimber
At this moment I only sell Monitor Audio.
When I start projects for houses and shipyards I think I will use Sonus Faber as well. Because I do business with the distributer who sells it. And they also can give depth.
I prefer to use less brands. I am a very focussed person. This way it gives you a much better endresult in sound.
The main advantage about consulting is that I have more time for every single client. I Always had a much more personal contact with clients compared to all the different colleagues I had in the past.
The biggest advantage of Monitor Audio is that all theur speakers can build a wide and deep stage.
Do not forget that I sold many of the bigger brands in audio for a long time.
When I started in 1998 I became very addicted to audio. In 1999 it was 80 hours every week. Even on monday on my free day I visited distributers. Testing has Always been the fun part in audio for me. I never had any colleague who soend so many hours on testing. All my money I invested in audio. In 1999 I had a set of about 50.000 dollar. I was 27 years at that time.
I could test every single cable or speaker I want. I did lend many different expensive cables at that time. I felt like a kid in a big toyshop.
I always have been very spoiled with exotic audio stuff. But I wanted to create the same exitement for less money for my clients.
I know that depth and intimate sound are essential parts for highend audio. The difference between highend audio and more standard audio was too big in my eyes. I wanted to make it smaller.
Monitor Audio and Onkyo give me the freedom to create a 3 dimensional stage and an intimate stage for prices many people can afford.
There is no competition in how I create sound in these price ranges. Other shops loose because they only can create a 2 dimensional sound. Also my focus of instruments and voices is a lot sharper than what other shops create. In resolution it is the same story.
When you use tools which can give a higher endresult, togheter you will achieve an even higher endresult. Audio is al about comparing. Sending people to other shops and see them coming back laughing, is price less.
I have become dealer of stillpoints recently. They also create a bigger and wider stage. And even make the intimate stage wihtin the deep and wide stage more physical and palpable.
Review about the Stilpoints will be here on Audiogon in a few days.
Today I will receive my new Audioquest Wild Signature xlr cable. I will write a review what it does and why it is an essentail part in a highend set soon. |
"Today I will receive my new Audioquest Wild Signature xlr cable. I will write a review what it does and why it is an essentail part in a highend set soon."
How have you decided it is essential if you haven't heard it yet? |
Remember, Bo has 16 years of experience selling stuff, and has heard live music someplace. Armed with cliches gleaned from the lexicon of subjective audio terms, he will not cave until every reader is astonished with his ability to reveal his innane and utterly self centered point of view. For that I am grateful as it's pretty damn entertaining. |
I, for one, am astonished.
Regards, |
Wolfie is REL sub specialist of Audiogon. |
In the Netherlands they never talk a lot about how it is or was. Because they don't want to be to hard or negative about those who are not that special or good.
That is why I said often: audio needs to be more open and honest.
Many shops agree that the level in shows is getting worse. That there need to be a different approach on how a show is given to customers. |
CSMgolf: where are you talking about? A person who has a list of not special tools. Or tools who are able to give a 3D stage.
We are talking about low level audio. Who they F.... are you to Judge about me.
Your list of stuff is created by a low level of insight in audio and video. Next time please talk for yourself! |
Sounds like Bo is shocked that another person does not buy into his self proclaimed audio god status. He has resorted to his usual childish insults against yet another member that has shown keen insight into who and what he really is.
Great post Csmgolf! |
I don't take people serious who have low level audio. He could have get a much better endresult for the money he spend.
My clients also go to other shops, they have the freedom to choose for 2 dimensional when they want to.
I only let people hear my way of sound. That is all. I can't make the decision. I try to create a higher endresult than competitors.
Audio is about comparing. That is the most fun part in audio. The most convincing and involving sounds Always wins.
Audio can be very smple, so keep it simple! |
I find what Bo has to say and his passion for "better" sounding audio very interesting. I don't think he comes across as arrogant or as a know it all. I do think though with his language barrier that he does have a hard time conveying what he is trying to say without sounding somewhat pompous.
From my observation, the only times that he has resulted to "childish" speak is when some members have taken him to task in an attacking manner. That he is guilty of and even then that is not called for. I say let's take the high road and let Bo be Bo and maybe we might be "enlightened" a bit.
Bill |
Hello Bo,
Why do you feel it necessary to insult those who disagree with your perspective? And why make derogatory comments on the system/components owned by other thread participants? This is a good site for discussion, exchanging information, knowledge and individual experiences. With your behavior and responses you come off as immature.
Charles, |
Willland,
I respect your opinion; however if you read BO's post you will discover the following:
- he is critical of equipment that he has never heard
- he contradicts himself a lot
- he recommends that same things over and over again...Pass, Audioquest, and MA speakers. My experience has taught me that system integration is more important that individual components; therefore it's impossible to say that the aforementioned components will always be the best choice!
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Ricred1,
All things you mentioned do appear to be true. I can't speak for others but it just does not bother me that much when Bo goes on his tangents. He does speak in a manner that he appears to present himself as "the" authority of better sound. In his mind and possibly from his trial and errors, he may possess something special but does need to learn how to better represent his findings and knowledge without downing others and their gear.
Bill |
One thing's for sure, you either love or hate Bo. There's no middle ground! lol. |
In my country it is the same. In the past it was the same too. People were a little affraid when I came into their room. Most people in audio are fat. But I am big with a atletic figure. It provokes some people. But who cares.
They knew they will know if it is good or bad. You get what it is.I have proven for years that I can create a much higher endresult in sound. Some people hate it. It is not my problem that they cannot achieve the same level.
They have the same possibilities. Audio is about comparing. The one with the best and most convincing sounds wins.
Many people are extreme f..lazy overhere. It says a lot about them. This makes it easy to win. Why they do not start to invest time in testing and looking for new techniques?
The people who like me have the best sets.....lol :) it is that simple! |
I see, Bo. But, there are others who can and do get a higher quality sound, not just you. |
"People were a little affraid when I came into their room. Most people in audio are fat. But I am big with a atletic figure."
Achilles from the movie "Troy" would not be afraid of you.
:-) |
That would be a bad thing. I want audio to get to a higher endresult. This only can be achieved with many people all over the world who do the same.
There need to be more dedication and devotion of those who work in audio. Togheter only you can create a better sound quality for customers. |
With each post Bo, you go a little further beyond the pale and over the edge of reality. Not that I expect you to know this.
So, not only are you a self-proclaimed audio god but you now tell us you have the body of Adonis too. And most us are just fat slobs. I quote you again...
"People were a little affraid when I came into their room. Most people in audio are fat. But I am big with a atletic figure. It provokes some people. But who cares."
This is now getting beyond even audio. I wonder what part of your anatomy we will hear about next that is oversized like your head?
Come on everyone...how can anyone take this guy seriously after a post like this? |
I have had enough myself! It's not rocket science to get great sound like he makes it seem! Geez the difference between 2D & 3D can be a simple tweak of 1/16"-1/8" on the speakers. Big Whoop!?!?!? Along with a little careful system matching, even a cave man could do it!
Now where did I put that damn box of Crispy Kreams???
Thanks,
Tall & Slim in Texas,
Bob |
Hahahahahaha....3D stage is definitely not rocket science!!
But the thing is that mongols in audio still sell 2 dimensional standard audio.
It is my personal opinion that you must be a fool still to sell 2 dimensional sound. |
Bo,
It is sad to say but 2D sound is still marketed and sold because of the highly compressed iPod/iPhone/MP3/SMART phone music that is still dominant in the market today. Selling to the masses nets more profit, period.
Bill |
I like you Bo,
Down with mongols - up with 3D! |
With 320kb you still can have depth.
What I have seen in 7 years of time is that people ( many women included) enjoy music a lot more when it is being played 3 dimensional. They also spend more time on listening for a longer period.
The level of quality and intensity in how music is being played has a big influence on our emotion. 3 dimensional sound has a positive influence on our emotion.
For me is seeing happy people with smiles on their faces an important part why I am stil in this business.
And when 3 dimensional sound is an important part to create this, so I will continue to do it this way. |
To be honest I use much harder words. I won't name them. People in this business know how I think about them.
I understand that they can get irritated by them. For some I am like a pain in the ass. But they also know that I can create a superior endresult compared to them. I do not have to proff this anymore. They know it!!
Maybe some more competion would be better for me. To win that easy from these mongols can get bored. |
"People in this business know... that I can create a superior endresult compared to them. I do not have to proff this anymore. They know it!!"
Kindly do not lump me in with those who allegedly acknowledge and concede your claims.
Duke
dealer/manufacturer |
It is as it is. The audio world is a tough and egoistic world. Last year a few distributers came to congratulate me with my show.
But others were not that happy with it. It is a small world, everybody know eachother. A few days later a dstributer told me that a few distributers were not happy that I was at the show. My way of working is to beat others. In the past they were happy with me when I sold their products a lot. But now they see you as an enemy.
This I hate most in audio. Audio is in my world a free place where every person can show their skills and sound.
They have to beat me with sound, not with words. That is the most fair way to use audio.
I do consulting, that means I work in my whole country and even in foreign countries. In my country people want to work in their region. But we life in a free world! |
Bo,
Instead of your worn out continuous rant of how awesome you are, why don't you share some set up tips or any other thing that makes you so great compared to every one of us super inferior tin eared A-Piles!?!?!
There are now about 4000 lines of your awesomeness in a million different threads. What makes you the God of thunder & rock & roll of audio???
I'm sure you are longer than the unemployment line and harder than penitentiary steel as well. |
If you would have read more of my answers you would have know that it is not about me.
This is what others make from it. I want to wake up other people to give customers a better sound.
The world of audio is big, I am just a minor fraction. People in audio have to focus more on quality instead of focussing on earning money.
Every single person deserves a sound to die for. The world of audio needs to change. This is why I write the way I write.
Just show what you can do.........
I hope people will get more emotion instead of a box! |
"This is what others make from it. I want to wake up other people to give customers a better sound."
This is what I am talking about?? Tell us "HOW" we are supposed to achieve this?? Tell us what components & speakers you found to have that magical synergy and maybe some more suggestions as to cables & PC's that make all the magic 3D come together. (Rooms aside of coarse):o)
Thanks for any insight.
Bob |
I will try to explain how it started why my focus is on 3D sound these days.
I started to work in audio in 1998. In the first years I was addicted to it. I went to many shows, distributers and other shops. You hear a lot. You remember the things you like.
In 1999 I bought the 802 Nautilus. I bought it because I loved the sharp individual focus. I knew it did not have a lot of depth, but for me the individuel focus was more important than depth.
We sold Avalon, and I liked the deep and wide stage a lot. But the individual focus of instruments and voices was of a much lower level than my 802N. It was not perfect either.
When you hear and test a lot your knowledge and insight in music and audio grows. Audio can become quite addictive. Also for me. You want more and better. After time I had it in my head what I wanted.
I wanted a big and wide stage, but within this wide and deep stage I wanted the same sharp and realistic focus of instruments as my B&W 800 Signature.
I thought about buying the B&W 800D. But after audition them a few times, I thought; Noooooo...I want a wide and deep stage as well. As a perfectionist you want more and better. It could not give me the thing I wanted.
In 2007 I started to sell Monitor Audio. I bought the whole Platinum series for the shop I worked. I had all the freedom to choose my own products.
These days Monitor Audio gives me the freedom to build a big and wide stage with a sharp and intimate focus within this stage.
When you test and compare all the time. You can create much easier a higher quality in sound.
My way of testing gives me the different properties each tool owns. When you understand and know the properties you can make combinations of tools togheter.
Tools togheter make a sound and stage. You can create it as you want it to become.
I use the properties of the brands I sell. Only these togheter can give me a wide and deep stage, a stunning sharp individual focus, blacks, resolution and an involving sound.
That it why I choose speakers, amps, sources, cables, conditioners who all can build a wide and deep stage.
Because I know that there are a lot more who do not have the quality to build this stage as I want it to be.
I am Always open for new products. I like to audition new audio. When it does not give the properties where I am looking for it is not interesting for me.
Until now I did not find a better way to create a higher endresult. For me it is very effective. But I only can speak for myself.
I understand that it is a lot different than others do. But that is who I am; different! |
06-15-14: Bo1972
If you would have read more of my answers you would have know that it is not about me. And your last post is all about YOU and nothing else!! Congratulations, you may have set a record for using "I" the most times in a single post!! |
I can understand some of the younger audiophiles being obsessed with achieving a 3D soundstage because that's all they know. I've been involved in audio since the mid-1970s and I have evovled beyond 3D, past 4D and I'm now experimenting with N-dimensional sound. Modern physics tells us that while we may only experience three physical dimensions plus time, there actually may exist multiple micro-dimensions. In most 2D or 3D capable systems these micro dimensions are uncorrelated and working against each other, but I have been able to assemble systems that align the sound properties of these micro-dimensions to achieve higher order N-dimensional sound. Not everybody can do this, but I with my extra decades of knowledge can.
I realize that I am beyond even the cutting edge of current audio reproduction and that many will dismiss my claims due to the petty jealousies endemic to the audiophile world, but I will not be deterred. Starting tonight I will be flooding the audiophile internet forums with my non-stop claims of how I can achieve N-dimensional sound. Once you've have an experience with the N-dimensional soundstage that I can produce you'll never go back to simple 3D sound again. Reality is much more real than you think it is and I will relentlessly tell you about it. I know more than you do and I want you to know it too. |
Bo my wife asked what I wanted for my birthday. Because I already have 3D sound from my system I had asked her for a 3D television. I was very disappointed when I realized she purchased a 2D tv and called her a mongol. We are now splitting up . I thought you could truly appreciate that. Thanks. |
"I've been involved in audio since the mid-1970s and I have evovled beyond 3D, past4D and I'm now experimenting with N-dimensional sound." - Onhwy61
How about that, Bo! |
06-15-14: Onhwy61 wrote: and I'm now experimenting with N-dimensional sound. Excellent post, but that's not quite how it goes. You have to personify it much more strongly by saying: "I'm now experimenting with what I call N-dimensional sound". Please refer to the Bo1972 posting guidelines: "Or what I call TOTAL SOUND." "what I call 2-dimensional" "what I call 3-dimensional sound" "I call the sound stealth" "This is what I call intimate sound." Regards, |
You can give it many words as you want. When people still think that it is about me. Then you are F....stuppid!
The essential thoughts are about a better sound for everyone.
Please stop crying, and learn to think further......
Audio Always will be about the most thrilling sound. And the sound what gives you joy for every single day you use it.
When shops focus more on quality instead of more shit then people wil get a better sound.
When distributers will work more togheter instead of only giving a demo based on political choices then people can hear more quality.
When magazines and websites about audio will give a more open an honest view, people will get more quality.
There are many ways to create a better endresult. A 3 dimensional image is just one.
Audio is like a formula one car, improving it on and on. This never stops. That is why I Always will keep on testing and comparing. This improves your skills and insight in audio.
With this information you get give your clients a better endresult. Even mongols in audio can improve their skills. But when they still are F. lazy, nothing is going to change.
So F...off and stop crying. Audio is a personal hobby, so you have to do it yourself most of the time.
I don't ask you to do what I say. I just give some thoughts you can listen at. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Your problem is that your still stuck in the 3rd Dimension Bo. It seems that others on this forum, such Onhwy61 and Metralla are light years ahead of you.
Hell, even I told you last year that that when I heard Wedding Bell Blues and Up, Up and Away that I truly heard the music of the 5th Dimension!
Did you listen to me then Bo? Have you ever heard the music of the 5th Dimension like I have? Probably not. |
Metralla,
That was really hilarious. We all should be using more "I".
:-))))) |
