Thiel CS2.4 to what?

There is a Thiel Smartsub SS3 for sale on this site.  Can’t believe you would find anything better to get the CS2.4 rocking

Audiojan:

My experience says Thiels are way more persnickety of feeding electronics than most.
very resolving, kind of like horns
I also have a sub, To add to the drive that Thiels are a little light on

My experience of going from a 200 watt class D amp to a Pass labs ( big current) was enlightening . The pass added another 2 woofers to the sound and drive vs ICE amp( against normal advice?)
Your note on " not the best recordings" as being shrill, follows my thoughts and ears.
I added great tubes in preamp and that solved my "shrillness" issues.
SS amp with tube preamp to " tune the sound" worked for Thiels

Now, I've switched speakers and am working on the " shrillness" ,again, but to a very small part when loudness is high.
especially when you prefer very resolving speakers

I think older " crap" rock recordings are a tough nut to crack and I am trying a DAC as final tuning for the shrill/ edge
You have the PS Directstream that I was surching for, but evidently is not the solution?
Maybe Chord?

Anyway, That damn system synergy thing!!    Lol

Jeff

From what I've read I think the Audio Physics are somewhat similar with a great soundstage and some models should be available around $6000-$7000, cheaper if you go pre-used. I also like Focal but Focal Sopra are more expensive. I don't remember what the Marten Design speakers cost but they are also worth investigating.

http://www.audiophysic.de/index_e.html
http://www.ear-usa.com/marten-loudspeakers/

Sunfire would be a close second to REL.  Happy Listening!

audiojanregarding a subwoofer- look no further than REL.
Happy Listening!

I think JL Audio, while good, is expensive for what you get.  If possible, two small subs are better than one large for your use, as it will help to minimize room modes.  There is a great deal of information available about the benefit of multiple subs, as well optimizing setup.  

Depending on your ability to place subwoofers, the Audio Kenesis Swarm may be a good option and in your price range.  

http://www.audiokinesis.com/the-swarm-subwoofer-system-1.html

Guess this thread is taking a turn... With moving the speakers further out (further than I have ever had them in my 6 years of ownership), they do sound quite a bit better. There's no doubt I will need to add a subwoofer though. I have an older Epik Legend that I added in the chain and it's ok, but I can hear it once in a while, basically doesn't blend perfectly.

So for subwoofers, JL Audio (used), Rythmik (used or new) or other brand?

I have to agree with soix on just about everything.  Here is where I differ:

1)  I believe the DSP-8033 would be more appropriate and less expensive.  

2)  I would skip the SVS subs.  A pair of Rythmik F12-300 subs can be had for the same price an are much more of a "tight" music sub.  Alternatively, a pair of HSU ULS-15s (Dual Drive) is the same price.  The regular Rythmik F12 is as good as any sub out there, at $1000 per sub.    The 2wq would be great, and as you note, they may start popping up left and right on the used market soon.  

3)  I would go and re-evaluate the room treatments and see if their placement and or additional would help.  

Since you like a lot of what your speakers are doing and given what you're looking for, I also think subs are well worth exploring.  Two subs is better than one, but two high-end subs new would cost about as much or more than your Thiels, which seems kinda silly to me.  Buying a couple used Vandersteen 2Wq subs might be a good idea since Vandy just came out with a new sub so there may be a good supply of the older model soon.  But another way to go would be to get a couple SB2000 subs from SVS.  They offer a totally risk-free, 45-day trial so you can see if the subs do what you're looking for.  They're only about $1400 for a pair, and they'll get you down to 19Hz.  If they work I'd invest $600 in a used DSpeaker anti-mode dual core processor to help really dial them in.  Anyway, best of luck in whatever you decide. 

Keep the Thiels, Jim T and Richard V should have been brothers...few design principles they did not share...

consider adding a Vandersteen 3 sub which will not honk up your great time and phase correct Jim T design...

the suggestions for 5,5a thru Quattro all valid as well

no connection to seller but there is a set of 5 on auction now...

So maybe I need to add a subwoofer? I moved the speakers a bit further into the room and the center image just simple locked in place. Thiels are revealing, no question about that, but they do seem to have a bit less of that harshness when given more space (about 4ft behind the speakers now and an equal triangle of 9ft with next to no toe-in). The bass seems to be a bit anemic now, but I'm thinking maybe a good sub could fill in that? JL F110 maybe (or a pair)?

I hope you weren't implying that I make money for doing so. They are incredible speakers for the money.

This was made even more evident of late.

I replaced my Emerald Physics 100.2SE power amps, and a Parasound P5 with built-in dac. I owned these for a couple years. I replaced them with  Audio Alchemy DP-1 amp/dac-pre, stereo amp. The Oppo 105 was the lone holdover. When listening to Red Book I used it as a transport via toslink.

First I did the amp/dac-pre with the Oppo Weeks later, I decided to insert a decade+ old Pioneer PD 65- inverted platter (for red books) . It was modded by Musical Concepts with an outboard power supply

Each and every time I replaced gear with better gear, the KCIIs sounded better and by a cavernously wide margin.

Sorry, I just though someone would like to know

Nice plug, very subtle.

Emerald Physics speakers play way above their price point, especially if wired with WireWorld (a $500 upgrade on my KCIIs) . Some are available without DSP. I am so amazed with the bass performance that I am selling my 2 SVS Subs (Ultra & Plus)

I’m listening to my 2.4’s right now. It takes a bit of work to get them to work. The main reason being they reproduce what’s fed into them. Unfortunately most of my music wasnt recorded in audiophile grade quality. Things can get shrill.  Of course good recording sound amazing!

That being said, I added a REL 328 sub and that  gave the much needed drive I was looking for.

If you get rid of the Thiels you will miss the clarity they render,. But good equipment, esp. the amp is essential. 

You might like Totem's. Changing Cardas to PAD might give you some life. I would probably tune the Theils in a little. Every time I get a major component I end up getting many other things and it all takes more time, but as they say part of the fun is in the journey. 

Perhaps adding a couple of Thiel SS2 subs would do the trick.

I've heard the Heresy III's and not overly impressed. Lots of drive, but tiresome to listen to over time. I've found that will all Klipsch.

Interesting suggestion on the B&W... I haven't heard the newest version D3, but I've heard previous versions. There's always been something holding me back though, can't put my finger on it. Probably time to listen to them again.

+1 Bowers and Wilkins 804 D3

They are wonderful speakers.

Cheers,

Scott

Klipsch Heresy III and sub if desired would be fun and something different to try before dropping big bucks.  

Interesting you said Vandersteen... always loved the sound from the 5's at Audio Connection (when we lived in NJ). Was thinking Quatro. I don't think the room can handle the 5's.

There are literally dozens of good choices.  If it were me, Vandersteen 3a sigs new, or Treo used, or Revel Performa, or used gets you into their higher line.