It is truly unfortunate that some members do not see this forum as being of use to them any longer. I for one visit to learn and expand my knowledge base. If someone truly believed there is nothing to be learned from say the analog or tech talk forums then I feel pity for them.
Even these misc audio forums have great value, where else can you see so much of human nature on display both good and bad ( Vegas of course but that's another story!).
Maybe I do not have a life either, but I still believe in the intrinsic value of some sections of this Audiogon forum and I will be darned if I am going to sit back and let it be ruined by some selfish individuals!
The first attractor is the presence of a critical mass of uncertain
individuals who happen to share a similar opinion. In fact, when such a
cluster of individuals is initially present in the system—either by
chance or because individuals share a common bias—the rest of the crowd
tends to converge toward it, as illustrated by Fig. 5-Example2. This majority effect is typical of conformity experiments that have been conducted in the past [37], where a large number of people sharing the same opinion have a strong social influence on others.
The second attractor is the presence of one or a few highly confident individuals, as illustrated by Fig. 5-Example3. The origin of this expert effect
is twofold: First, very confident individuals exert strong persuasive
power, as shown by the influence map. Second, unconfident people tend to
increase their own confidence after interacting with a very confident
person, creating a basin of attraction around that person’s opinion
Our simulation results also identified two elements that can cause such
amplification loops: the expert effect—induced by the presence of a
highly confident individual, and the majority effect—induced by a
critical mass of low-confidence individuals sharing similar opinions.
Moreover, the presence of a significant number of neutral individuals
holding a random opinion and a low confidence level around these two
attractive forces tends to increase the unpredictability of the final
outcome [15].
Therefore, neutral individuals make the crowd less vulnerable to the
influence of opinion attractors, and thus less predictable. By contrast,
recent studies on animal groups have shown that the presence of
uninformed individuals in fish schools acts in favor of the numerical
majority, at the expense of very opinionated individuals
Totally crazy but I expected no less. 🤔🤔 I guess you just don't get why deleting your posts is wrong on just about every level apart from your own selfish reasoning. Carry on regardless......
So predictable it's absolutely boring. But if it is all such worthless drivel I truly wonder why you keep coming back. Glutton for punishment? Stubborn? Ornery? All of the above??
I used to think this thread was a drama but now I realize it’s a comedy. And I think it’s funny. I’m tired of pretending it’s not. Comedy is subjective. 🤡
Trying out AmazonHD via VPN myself .... this will force Spotify and Google's and Apple's hand. In some ways the best thing that could happen to the democratization of better and high resolution digital.
Something I can actually partially agree with you on. However it will require Amazon to open up their cheeks a little and let some of the smaller devs like mConnect and other aftermarket programmers get a hold of their apk so Amazon can be incorporated into more systems. You know, like Tidal and Qobuz are embedded in nearly every streaming hardware device out there. Do that and yes Amazon have a chance of taking over the hires streaming world for sure.
Trying out AmazonHD via VPN myself .... this will force Spotify and Google's and Apple's hand. In some ways the best thing that could happen to the democratization of better and high resolution digital.
(Trying to stay calm and keep from revealing he was from the future) I’m from a town where the roads don’t end at the edge of town. It’s not like Pleasantville. There are some places that the road doesn't go in a circle. There are some places where the road keeps going.
Well, that only took a week. Wrapping the same holier than thou dogma in velvet doesn’t change what it is. Your change of tactics is obvious and pretty sand lot. Perhaps you should delete your membership again, change your user name again, and give it a third shot. What have you got to lose? Certainly not respect.
If this was true, then you would be able to easily address anything I say with some level of detail and confidence, not call me the charlatan. Again, the silence is deafening.
You also assume you and a few prolific posters here are the sole holders of audio knowledge and how dare anyone question it. There is a whole world out there teo_audio beyond these four walls.
The question is, why would anyone, anyone at all feel the need to have a sword of justice in this consumer audio market. That is just such a weird weird thing to say.
these subjects and subject areas have been covered a hundred times over.
what you are, is just the next one to come along and try to raise them like a sword of justice ...one built out of your own limited understandings of the entire envelope of what is involved... in the area under discussion.
You don't know the subject, and your data and your knowledge is severely lopsided.
@atdavid Are you going through a loss of career or something similarly significant?
Since you started a thread on the '5 Stages' [Of Grief and Loss] should I be reading (deeper) into that?
I'm certain I do not have the technical abilities you have in specific areas...reversing this, you also do not have abilities in areas that I and most certainly others have.
My suggestion is for far softer landings and less engagement. We will all benefit. I look forward to your reasoned and measured contributions. Thank you.
these subjects and subject areas have been covered a hundred times over.
what you are, is just the next one to come along and try to raise them like a sword of justice ...one built out of your own limited understandings of the entire envelope of what is involved... in the area under discussion.
You don't know the subject, and your data and your knowledge is severely lopsided.
Your post suggests there is anyone "harmed". Would you care to address how anyone has been harmed and what specific actions have harmed them.
I don’t have to act as the harmed one, I am just the latest in a long string I expect of people who have been dog-piled. No worries though. Nothing you say changes the veracity of what I write and nothing, nothing I say will speak as loudly as the silence ... the silence of addressing what I say, and now who is saying it.
teo_audio1,202 posts11-05-2019 1:20pmI’d expect that his next tactic would be to try and be polite in everyone’s eyes..act as the harmed one... and try to label me as being anti-science for my direct mention of the subtle manipulations and obvious intent within them.
Thank you for providing a prime example of some of the things discussed in this article and similar ones ....
If I am tearing anything down, then it was teetering already. Feel free to address the aspects of what I write as they relate to audio instead of attacking me personally and perhaps you will not have to worry about something fragile falling down.
He’s not doing these sorts of threads because he cares about audio or high end audio or the people who desire quality audio in their lives.
Hes trying to crash it, he’s trying to tear it down, he’s trying to force it to follow HIS dogma. Every post he makes screams this point, either openly, or subtly.
I'd expect that his next tactic would be to try and be polite in everyone's eyes..act as the harmed one... and try to label me as being anti-science for my direct mention of the subtle manipulations and obvious intent within them.
He's not doing these sorts of threads because he cares about audio or high end audio or the people who desire quality audio in their lives.
Hes trying to crash it, he's trying to tear it down, he's trying to force it to follow HIS dogma. Every post he makes screams this point, either openly, or subtly.
Unfortunately this is becoming a trend nowadays in all audio public forums and social media. There is a growing group of individuals whose only hobby is polluting every single audio forums / groups they can find with terms like "slayer of snake oil", and "ABX audiophile" bs. Add here the #measurementsmorons, and you can see a full assault on high end audio.
He's not doing these sorts of threads because he cares about audio or high end audio or the people who desire quality audio in their lives.
Hes trying to crash it, he's trying to tear it down, he's trying to force it to follow HIS dogma. Every post he makes screams this point, either openly, or subtly.
Based on the responses so far, I think one can postulate that for some, they consider the people here their peers ...
nonoise5,071 posts11-05-2019 11:15amI would think a poster here would be less inclined to be a sheeple than if they were in an actual setting of peers.
Agreed. But, in an actual face to face setting, peer pressure is of a much higher import than online.
Based on the responses so far, I think one can postulate that for some, they consider the people here their peers ...
nonoise5,071 posts11-05-2019 11:15amI would think a poster here would be less inclined to be a sheeple than if they were in an actual setting of peers.
I am not starting to suspect, I know someone does not understand double blind testing ... well pretty much at all.
With a large group, double blind testing removes individual bias, and performance issues, especially since you can look at group data to determine if any individual performs significantly above average suggesting further investigation is warranted.
On an individual level, if your system or ears are not good enough ... well then double blind will prevent you from spending with your eyes on audio equipment, which is a fools path unless done knowingly, except for really cool looking turntables (which are art). You are not a fool are you geoff?
atdavid OP They may conclude independently whether a benefit was there or not. They may conclude there was a benefit when in fact there was no perceptible change at all. When they go online and see others doing it, it reinforces their perception. This happens often in many areas and people are 100% convinced even though what they believe is impossible.
>>>>Or they may conclude independently there was NO benefit when there in fact was a perceptible change. Or they may conclude there was NO benefit but their system and/or their ears failed. That’s why double blind testing is a scam.
I am starting to suspect someobody’s been following the wrong.....you know, 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑. 🚶🏻♂️
They may conclude independently whether a benefit was there or not. They may conclude there was a benefit when in fact there was no perceptible change at all. When they go online and see others doing it, it reinforces their perception. This happens often in many areas and people are 100% convinced even though what they believe is impossible.
This forum allows anonymity which can encourage less sheepleness, if not publicly in the forums, at least privately. Some protest a lot, but you see seeds of doubt or understanding every once in a while. Also remember the majority rarely or never post, they just come to read for opinions.
I would think a poster here would be less inclined to be a sheeple than if they were in an actual setting of peers.
If anything, the nature of the internet allows one to more freely express themselves without recrimination due to peer pressure or societal mores and folkways.
Also, this hobby promotes experimentation. When one hears things for themselves, it's usually all it takes to conclude whether whatever they did was of benefit or not.
Having said that, some come here with an agenda, or develop one due to the polarizing nature of the efficacy of some products and the costs thereof.
In the end, sophistry is of use when it comes to persuading others be it online and in person.
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