The Palladian-A step beyond
Dear Lew, You must be totally wrong. A virgin or virgine ''attribute'' is something that is very valueable. I kind of compliment . In particular by the Arabs each of them willing to give at least 6 camels for one. But if you agreed with Gaucho that Doris was not a virgine this could be seen as an offense by the moderator. |
To keep this on track, Halcro, did you use a torque wrench on your cartridge screws? The tension on cartridge screws can certainly affect sonics, for all the reasons you and others reiterate. If one were to draw conclusions regarding the efficacy of this or that fastener per se, then I think torque has to be a constant. Solong, it's fascinating that you have already done research on titanium screws. Prior to now, had you drawn any conclusions? Thanks. I've just been using aluminum or plastic screws or anything non-magnetic. Nandric, The best I can figure out is that my post(s) were deleted because I used the word "virgin", in the context of re-telling a well known anecdote about Groucho Marx and Doris Day. Since neither Groucho nor Doris will be reading this thread, I cannot believe it was because my post(s) might have offended them. Moreover, those two would have laughed and probably did laugh. By the way, Doris is a much under-estimated chanteuse. If you have the LP of her singing with Andre Previn, it's pretty good work. |
analogluvr ... I would never purchase a 10K cartridge as I would find it an insult to my intelligence.You're insulted by the price of something you apparently have no interest in purchasing? You must feel insulted quite frequently! |
Dear analoguvr, I suppose that nobody in our forum has heard about the King Nikola from Montenegro. He promissed all kinds of things to his people which, as usual, were impossible to fulfil. One of his servants stated: ''My Lord if I would dear to say that I would say that you are a lier but I don't dear''. |
analogluvr, Adam smith ''the father'' of the modern economics stated: ''it is not because of symphaty that we expect to get our bread and meat from the baker and butcher but because of our money''. Certainly not to be expected from an conductor but Leopold Stokovsky was more explicite. He asked one of his students to marry him while the girl responded with: ''I am sorry professor but I don't believe that I can love a man who is so much older then I''. Stokovski: ''This is not a problem at all my dear. You see I love calf meat but don't care if calf meat loves me''. |
Lew was wondering why his post was removed by the moderator probably because no reason is mentioned. There are however some ''general rules'' mentioning a.o. ''(it) was abusive towards one other member or containing profanity''. My post was also removed which means that ''it'' was not censored in advance. I never use ''profanity'' or the so called ''insulting words'' nor does Lew as far as I know. So the probably ''insulted person'' asked removal of my and his post . However I addressed just two persons but do not believe that Fleib would do such a thing. Besides I was very polite ''towards Flieb'' (grin). Who the other person was can be guessed because we have had such situation some time ago with real censorship of two or more years duration. Some members (our Professor?) left the forum because of such anonymous complaints. Whatever the reason on should complain in the forum and not by the so called ''authorities''. |
I have been following this thread with interest. How can one say that one's character is irrelevant with regards to whether we like and use a product developed by that individual. For example, If Hitler sold great soap would you be OK with buying that soap and saying yeah I know he's not a great guy but I love the soap so therefore I will buy it. An extreme example to be sure but it helps me illustrate the fact that everyone's character plays into everything we do at all times even into the future. I have not had any dealings with this Dietrich but have no reason to doubt Raoul's statements and therefore would really hesitate to give him a deposit for any product. Dietrich should do the right thing and settle up with these individuals or suffer consequences in the form of reduced business as a result of those shady practices. Furthermore I would never purchase a 10K cartridge as I would find it an insult to my intelligence. And yes the screws should come with it. |
halcro - Have you ever considered to use the Arché headshell with your beloved FR-66s and the Palladian (or any of your other cartridges, of course)? I’ve heard only good reports of the Arche headshells solong but my structural-engineering training just cannot allow me to accept the Arche’s design...😱 The headshell must be as rigid and homogenous as possible in order to resist all the vibrations and stresses caused by the cartridge, and whilst I’m sure that Dietrich has achieved the maximum rigidity his design may allow.......it simply (by its design) cannot be as structurally rigid as my preferred headshells... This is just a path I cannot travel....🙈 |
We do machine these screws ourselves - you can’t find them anywhere else.I'm using titanium screws to mount my cartridge(s) for a while. You can find them quite easily as Grade 2 (pure Titanium, medium solidity) or Grade 5 (alloy Ti6AI4V, high solidity) products. Experimenting with a torque-limiting wrench. Much more difficult to get is Grade 4 (pure Titanium, highest solidity, seems to be available for medical application only). But I never found ready to use products (i.g. screws) of Timet 1100 (alloy Ti-6Al-2.7Sn-4Zr-0.4Mo-0.45Si, better solidity than Grade 5). At eBay, for instance, you can buy pre-product stuff only. Thus, in my experience, I take the quoted statement above as true. @halcro - Have you ever considered to use the Arché headshell with your beloved FR-66s and the Palladian (or any of your other cartridges, of course)? |
A stop-press announcement from Acoustical Systems :- The SMARTscrews are indeed a very recent product only and not yet listed in our portfolio as we have just started production this November.We will offer them as a regular product starting in 2017.We gave several samples away to friends and reviewers in late November and early December. |
Hi @halcro , I have also made this upgrade and it surprised me how much difference it made. But maybe it should not have given the effects unwanted vibrations not properly dealt with can have at this critical point. I also have been told, "second hand"
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that they even made a difference over titanium screws made to less exacting standards. All the best. |
So you buy a 10K Palladian cartridge, but you have to fork out another XX$$ to buy cartridge screws that work best with the Palladian. Give me a break. They should be included - period. Henry - you are not making Dietrich look good with this post. You lost me anyway saying the Palladian sounds similar to a SPU - certainly not something I am looking for in a cartridge. But hey, that is why everyone likes different things - we all have different systems that enhance some aspects of music to other aspects. |
I posted a long time ago that I first encountered Raul on a VE thread where he declared all MCs hopelessly flawed and/or distorted. This was some time after he started his MM/MI thread, maybe 8/9 yrs. ago? His command of English was much the same as today. Unspecified distortions and vaguely described flaws were hard to dispute and it was a frustrating experience. Now his posts seem longer and more repetitious. I'm not sure if there was some kind of dispute about someone not getting a purchase from him. I thought of him as basically honest, and still do. What's really changed is his usefulness to some other members in identifying high performing vintage carts. Some people would wait for his picks or get them by email and invest. I've heard a couple heavy metal tunes I like, but I'm far from knowing much about metallurgy. Here's what Brakemeier said: "I am using Timet 1100 Titanium for all my cartridge bodies due to the fact that it combines outstanding high drawing strength with about the highest transition speed in all suitable metals.This I consider of importance to get mechanical induces energy from the tracking process during playback as fast as possible through the tonearm, its bearings and into the base." This is the same formula as in the review. Seems like a good idea to me, although I can't confirm the specs. This is what Lewm was talking about earlier in the thread. Most of the mechanical energy of the cart does not get converted to electricity. The best idea IMO is to dissipate excess energy and critically damp any remaining. |
I just received the new SMARTscrew Timet 1100 cartridge screws from Acoustical Systems. These are so new they don't yet appear on their Website...👀 Two pairs (of different lengths) are included in the box and they are obviously made of the same titanium alloy material as the Palladian cartridge body. I wasted no time in exchanging them for the previously installed screws (which had come with the cartridge). For the past week, I have been conducting one-on-one comparisons of the Palladian and some of my other cartridges but lately have been concentrating on the SPU Silver Meister. This is such an easy comparison for me as I have the Raven AC-2 set-up with two identical FR-66s tonearms, each one pre-loaded with the relevant cartridge. Most of us devoted to high-end analogue these days......acknowledge that EVERYTHING in the chain matters... I've heard all the differences that mats (or no mats) can make.... Even the type/weight/material and design of the record weight can have an effect on the 'sound'... But far and away for me in my system.....the choice of headshell has made the most significant differences to how a cartridge 'sounds' or how many of its abilities are allowed to perform at their maximum 👐 So it should not really surprise.....that the screws fixing the cartridge body to the headshell.....can similarly affect the sound.... But it does...🤔‼️ For the previous week, the two cartridges were closely matched (a compliment to both) with little differences in the two tonal presentations. Where the Palladian had an edge was in the soundstage and transparency.....but it was 'close' 😎 Not anymore..... There was little apparent change to the tonal presentations but in the areas where the Palladian had a slight edge......it now excelled👏 The soundstage became more 3-dimensional with easily visualised, depth and instrumental-location clues. The width seemed to become wider or at least the instruments on the extreme edges, were now clearer with 'body'.... And the transparency.....❓ When you experience the illusion of instruments in space, but 'real' space....space which you can 'see' around and feel that you can walk into and importantly.....walk into, turn left, walk through then turn right and proceed even deeper to the next plane of instruments.... That's quite shocking if you haven't experienced it regularly.... But it's these screws that do it... That's the part that's hard to believe...🤔 You need these screws to extract the full capabilities of this cartridge.. So why aren't they included with the cartridge you might ask? For the same reason that the Yamamoto HS-4 carbon-fiber headshell is not included 😎 Let's face it.... If you want silver headshell leads or silver wiring in your tonearm....you must pay for it. If you want an exotic headshell of wood, titanium, carbon-fibre or ceramic....you must pay for it. If you want an active isolation table to support your turntable....you must pay for it. All these things you choose to pay for....can, or will enhance the sound capabilities of your analogue playback. These things are not for the faint-of-heart, but those of us who are mad enough...or dedicated enough....or rich enough.... For those lucky enough to be able to afford the Palladian cartridge, it's simply a no-brainer (from my experience) to buy the SMARTscrew Timet 1100 to go with it. After all.....it's the cost of the fancy headshell 😀 Which most users with 'fixed-headshell' tonearms won't even need 🤓 My problem now is..... What to do about the screws in my forty other cartridges....😱 |
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Man, this forum sucks. Looks like some people go back and edit their post, but there is no notice of an edit. Did any of you AS fan boys bother to look up the titanium type? Why was the formula in the review? You don't have to read German to cut and paste. I looked it up days ago and it's the only thing I asked Brakemeier about specifically. It's a relatively new type made for high temps, up to 600° C. They use it inside jet engines and similar applications. Doesn't seem appropriate unless the aluminum content is high. That might make it softer and easier to work? Seems like some people will say anything to protect their investment or promote their friend. Nandric, you got on my case when I criticized Raul. You declared you friendship for him, but now he's the Mexican who failed to produce a tonearm. You're a great friend. Folk freak is the only Palladium owner here with a lick of sense. Not sure why I'm wasting time here. I have a thread 77 pages long with over 15K posts. If I wanted abuse I could always pick a fight there. Thought I might be able to go back and say something interesting about this product or company other than the same pretentious BS. That's what the dumb head question was about - exploring all avenues and .... oh, never mind. |
Dear @ : You link trying to tease me makes me laugh and I mean it, I like that you tube link that unfortunatelly helps nothing in the main subjects here. If that is your " common sense " contribution to the thread then that can explain each single word in your posts including your " review ". Why don’t do a favor to all of us putting some ligth in the next statement you posted: """ AS product yet they try to destroy their credibility through attacking their design attributes, """" Any one here and elsewhere wants that you tell us in each one product which one are all its design atributes and compared with....... Could you? other product owners? Thank’s in advance. Btw, I told you that if I was wrong that you post and tell me where and why I'm wrong and I'm still waiting for you other than more you tube or histories that is mainly what you showed in this thread. Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear @ct0517 : What is so " special " in that Decca tonearm? Please read this: """ With little difficulty, I fitted a Koetsu Urushi, and it was blindingly obvious that this arm was optimised for the behaviour of a London-née-Decca. The London/Koetsu combination lacked the openness, air and power provided by the SME Series V, and this swap also revealed its one downside. Beyond, that is, its unappealing construction and styling, which hardly suggest £2.5k. SCARY DEMEANOUR Could be better than the Ikeda but the Ikeda is not something to die for, neither. Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Chris, The only linear arm I owned was the (old) Rabco. At present I use FR-64 S (silver), FR-64S (copper), Ikeda 345 (copper) , Reed 3 P, Triplanar VII and Sumiko 800 with all 6 countrer weights. My phono-pres are Basis Exclusive (gold) and Klyne PX 3.5 with Denon AU-S1 SUT. All those tonearms can be used with Ikeda 9 CR. Alas I can't afford Decca Ref. nor the Palladian (grin). I see that you become my (former) rich compatriote but I don't see why your Decca should sound better in whatever tonearm. |
Nandric - I rank Ikeda 9 cantileverless versions above Decca kinds. Nikola Do you think that maybe..... .just maybe....this bias could be based on the tonearms you own; compared to the reference tonearms for each of these designers ? What do you think ? I submit example one. The Ikeda tonearm. http://dagogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ikeda-407-1.jpg I submit example two. The Decca Reference tonearm. http://www.needledoctor.com/London-Decca-Reference-Tonearm Do you still think I would prefer the Ikeda design ? 8^0 @Folkfreak, Fleib - thx for that info. |
Halcro, If Brakemeier gets back to me with any new info, I'll post it. You throw Raul under the bus in defense of...? You're the one who should be ashamed. ct0517, The shibata was the first extended contact tip. It preceded the line contact. The diamond is cut with a different facet on the front and back surfaces. This gives a curved contact area as the record spins, and is characterized by an extended and slightly softened high end. There are two sizes of shibata. The review made reference to the original shibata, but was unclear whether this was in reference to size or shape. Tip dimensions were not given. |
Dear Chris, ''I rank revenge-sex, one level above make-up -sex''. The involved categories are very different but ''levels'' by comparisons are the same. I rank Ikeda 9 cantileverless versions above Decca kinds. Assumining that you own an phono-pre with sufficient amplification or use SUT's my advice would be to try Ikeda. As (former) compatriots we should have the same taste (grin). |
thx Henry too much documentation right now. using my mornings to figure out how the outdrive works on the latest boat. 8^) meant to show a link with shibata. its closest to the cutting stylus I think. Let me know if you are having a cartridge sale one day. May be interested in your Decca. (low miles right?) @Nikola I rank revenge-sex, one level above make-up-sex. |
It looks to me when you have ZERO knowledge you get easily frustrated cause the audience doesn' t provide applause. You might look for other channels or victims to blame about your own desastrious condition. Instead of being supportive or fond of exchanging positive ideas about the thread's topic you always repeat the same old stories of side scenes (what everyone else already knows) which has nothing to do with the topic at all. This kind of bullshitting is what many curious and ambitious people are not really fond of. |
Folkfreak - I can’t imagine spending this kind of money on a cartridge ...and then having to have a shim made for it to make it work ? For this kind of money, $15k Canadian dollars, I am talking to the manufacturer to determine his knowledge of my tonearm. I would want assurances from the manufacturer that it will fit, and be compatible. Thats just me. Good luck with it. I am curious to know and learn what kind of rock is on the end of the cantilever of a cartridge like this? Can I ask for some "first hand knowledge" from one of the owners ? Is it one of these types ? http://www.vinylengine.com/images/forum/stylus_shapes/stylustypes.jpg thanks. |
Yes I like that example of the "Spanish Infantor’s" blue eyes bluewolf......😎 The saddest revelation in Fleib’s blinding adoration of the Mexican failure, is his ignorance of the terms ’First Hand’, ’Second Hand’, Third Hand’ etc. First Hand is where one witnesses the actual event itself. Second Hand is where one is told of the event by one who actually witnessed it. Third Hand is where one reads (or is told) of the second hand rendition of the event. Fleib appears to absorb the re-telling of the Third Hand rendition of the event (Fourth Hand?) as evidence of the highest stature....🙈 But why bother asking Dietrich Brakemeier for his version (as Fleib has his direct Email address) when he can besmirch his name in tandem with his sociopath Mexican buddy...💩❓ There is nothing this duo can add to the Palladian Thread.....but that doesn’t appear to present a hindrance to their unwanted presence...😷 |
There is no point responding to the Cabal of @rauliruegas and @fleib .They are uncovered for what they are: bitter, sad and malicious people of the narrowest of minds. The following Zen story is apt: Merchant: Master, I would like you to teach me Zen. Zen Master: I cannot do that. Merchant: Why not? I will give you gold. Zen Master: Tea? Merchant: Sure. The Zen Master placed a tea cup in front of the merchant and began pouring until the cup was full, and continued pouring with the tea pouring onto the table. Merchant: What are you doing? Stop! Are you mad? Zen Master: This is why I cannot teach you. Your head is full. But response must be made to the Cabal’s scurrilous and malicious attack on Mr Brakemeier because of:
They both are now quoting an email chain from a number of years back to support this with zero knowledge of the actual events. But hey why should that stop them. They have zero knowledge of or experience with any AS product yet they try to destroy their credibility through attacking their design attributes, the integrity of the designer and anyone with the audacity to disagree with the great Cabal. My experience with AS and that of the Audiogoner’s on this thread that have actually purchased AS products have been without fault. The Cabal even knows how blue the Spanish Infantor’s eyes are without having seen them. https://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&a... |
Dear @halcro : """ And without hearing the other side's version...""" There is " no other side version ". Look, he had all oportunities on the WBF thread and as a fact he posted there but what he posted and what was his committed he never accomplished. So where till today is the " other side version " if you have it then post here. Here additional information from one of the gentlemans that was cheated and whom losted almost 50K!!!. For you and the other " boys " is extremely easy to talk and try to say " nothing happen " because no one of you losted not a single " dime " but I think that all of you when " defend " something about are losting a big part of the human been dignity: """ 2. Do you know if Audiogon DID ban him from selling under his old name? 3. Are they aware he never paid me the $1000 they ordered him to pay in the case i filed? 4. I am getting evidence that the 'compressor' i bought from him and never delivered has actually been produced.It is part of the new TT he is building for people. I prepaid $17000 in late december for this turntable, but because i was getting suspicious,i got him to place the audiogon ad for $1000 for that key piece of the TT.....the compressor. It was a way to keep him accountable.2 weeks after i made a deposit, and before production started, i asked for a refund. he said by end of last january would give it. never did. and never delivered the compressor of course. raul,i filed a dispute and won. he was supposed to pay me $1000 for goods not delivered or be suspended. that was last monday.neither has happened! """"" Til today never existed a refund to any of the cheated gentlemans. All were promises that never accomplished. I don't care about him and I have nothing personal against him, I only post facts and information shared " everywhere " by other people. Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
*** Mexican sociopath? I think you have it backwards mate. As far as I can see, that's a German con man. The WBF thread is from 2012, not all that long ago, but enough time to declare bankruptcy and hope it goes away? That's not excitement. It's disgust. |
Raul's last post was first hand confirmation of ethical concerns. Do you think he's lying? You should be ashamed of yourself Fleib. How does "first-hand confirmation" equate to repeating one person's grievances from years ago, without knowledge of their veracity or merit? And without hearing the other side's version......or do you believe that common law principles are unnecessary on the Internet? The jealous and sordid vendetta propagated by a 'failed' Mexican sociopath is able to be ignored.....but your 'excitement' at these disclosures is sickening. "Do you think he's lying?"....... About what...?! Repeating scandalous defamatory statements untested by the legal avenues available to the 'supposed' aggrieved? You should look carefully at your responses here Fleib, because to me they display a great deal about your character. |
nandric, Those weren't performance evaluations. Raul's last post was first hand confirmation of ethical concerns. Do you think he's lying? Maybe Brakemeier is now wealthy enough he doesn't have to con and cheat people, but I wouldn't count on it. The titanium body is what justifies the price tag. I wonder.... |
Fleib, Do you read your own post and answers to your post? 12-02-2016: ''but where's is the perceived value in this cartridge , some special varnish on the aluminum cantilever?'' 12-03-2016: ''So far there is no pefect cart and I doubt if this is....'' etc., with Sampas comment on your complete statement. 12-04-2016; Halcro : ''Always dangerous to speculate without hearing'' as answer to your post just above Halcro's comment.
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To those expressing concern about Dietrich I can only relay my own experience. I purchased a UNI Protractor via AudioGon maybe 6 years ago, sure it took some time to ship but not surprising for a custom product. Since then Dietrich has replied very quickly to all my emails querying questions on the use of this itemt I recently purchased a Palladian via the US Distributor -- since then I've been in touch with Dietrich and he is making a custom shim just for me to address an issue with how my arm is mounted, note that this was not something I asked for but it was something he offered to do All in all this is world class service and service commensurate with purchasing these sort of items from an artisan manufacturer. |
Nandric, ***Dear Fleib, Your strategy is not to react to the questions asked butto persist on your theoretical assumptions. You just stated: ''Saying the cart can not be evaluated without the alignment, is nonsense.'' How about evaluation of any cart without any experience with the cart in question? This is bluewolf's argument which you deed not address. The reason is obvious.*** I never evaluated the cartridge, in fact I stated all along I thought it must be very good. My concerns about the post script are not theoretical. Prove me wrong. If it's about the prairie flower and an orchid, that requires a value judgment. Some prairie flowers are more beautiful than some orchards IMO. gadfly
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Dear @bluewolf : "
the attacks of Messrs @rauliruegas and @fleib on his technical and ethical credibility are totally without foundation. " Ethical Credibility: why don't ask all the gentlemans that were cheated by him? and your statement looks as you understand nothing/not a single word of the WTF thread that was posted not for me but for the gentlemans that losted their " heavy " money. Here you can read what in those times they email me: """ i think you know some things about Daniel or Dertonarm or Deitrich……alias he uses…..from his past the rumor is tax fraud….. on whats best forum there is a long chain under Refund Problem that is exposing him. He has tried to defraud me of almost 50K. i have done this reluctantly. but it is to protect the audio community from being cheated like me. I am angry at the small group of germans around him that knew about this, and did not expose him and thus i became a victim. we do not want to be uncivil on the post or they will take it down. no mud slinging, just facts. ........................................ I am disgusted with his German friends who have helped him sell to us, and who are defending him. Never in my life have i been so fooled and 'cheated. Raul, you say he is not stupid, that he will pay this money back because he needs his reputation cleaned up. DO YOU REALLY THINK SO. i doubt it.i think he will never pay us. .................... He has a LOT OF my money, and I don't think he ever repays ANYONE. SO I NOT THINK YOU ARE correct below, though i wish you were. ..... The last time he at my home trying to fix the lamm amps he modded and they stopped working, and i had to send to Lamm for repair, and which he refusedto pay for……. the last time he here, he stole about $3000 worth of WBT spades. Put them in bags when not looking, and when i wrote him askingwhere are they????, he said he did not know. he lied. so he is a thief in more ways than one. """" Now do you still thinking that there is no foundation other than the WBF thread? Technical: the links I posted to Fleib speaks as foundation of it. Do you think that he build the cartridges or design it?. There are only 3-4 real builders around the world that made the cartridges of that " top " level. One thing is to manufacture a headshell or TT or a tube copy phono stage and other totally diferent a LOMC cartridge. No, my posts are not an attack are facts unknowed by you and many other people. FACTS not posted by me, I only read it sometime ago and shared here. You like to read my posts and Fleib ones but understand almost nothing because your ignorance level as many of us is diferent person by person. We all have to learn to post according to. This is not about " emotions " as you or other person can think, all is about facts in one way or the other. Now, please tell me with facts why I'm wrong and if I am you can be sure that will be appreciated because I always am willing to learn and NO I'm not unfriendly it's just that is the way I " talk ". I'm not against any other human been in the world. Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Fleib, Your strategy is not to react to the questions asked but to persist on your theoretical assumptions. You just stated: ''Saying the cart can not be evaluated without the alignment, is nonsense.'' How about evaluation of any cart without any experience with the cart in question? This is bluewolf's argument which you deed not address. The reason is obvious. |
Bluewolf, I'm being unfriendly? Anyone who doesn't completely agree with you is subject to hostile characterizations. Like your reference to your personal cantilever in your mini review, it seems as if you're easily excitable. Your analogy is inconsistent with my remarks. Using similar logic, do you think the cartridge would sound bad using a conventional alignment? I'm telling you flat out, the post script I talked about previously, is BS. Saying the cart can not be evaluated without the alignment, is nonsense. Regards, |
The suffix ''DIN'' by UNI-DIN refer to (German Industrial Standard) which assume 57,5 mm as inner groove limit. Whatever the distance to the spindle this part of the record is much more difficult to trace then the other radiuses. Because of customers complaints about this fact manufacturers moved this distance to 62 mm. Depending on one's LP collection one will own diffrent ''distance'' to the spindle by different production years, etc. As I understand Dertonarm's intention he wanted to improve (stylus) tracing in this part of the record radius. Alas my mathematical skills ar similirar to those of bluewolf with whom I obviousy have much in common. So I have no intention to mess with the involved geometry. |
The “Mental”
Simulators (coming to hijack a friendly and informative thread near you)
- a Play in 1,318 Parts The sun is shining and everyone is happy @halcro : I
have just taken the Mercedes F1 car out on the track and it is fast and
beautifully balanced. I have never experienced anything like it. bluewolf: I have had exactly the same experience with the Mercedes F1, set up as per their proprietary MERC-DIN alignment. Black threatening clouds move in and block the sun Flash, flash, followed by lightening and thunder and the sound of air evacuating balloons @rauliruegas : the Mercedes F1 cannot be good. I know that without driving it or knowing anything about it because I don’t like the designer and I don’t like the cars he use to like before he designed the Mercedes F1. And bluewolf cannot judge good performance because I read a review of a motorbike he didn’t like and I think it is great, and he likes exactly what the F1 designer likes as he owns some of the cars the F1 designer use to like. So the Mercedes F1 cannot be any good. @fleib : I have never used MERC-DIN but I have used a simulator that does not take into account the geometry behind MERC-DIN and I can declare that MERC-DIN is crap. Intermission! |
@fleib , Firstly, please accept my apologies for trying to be friendly. It is evidently something beyond you at this stage of your human development. My mistake. Hopefully friendliness will develop in you later. So you are arguing over the cartridge making the sound rather than the alignment. Oh please. Of course the cartridge makes the sound. What a brilliant deduction. My congratulations to you. You have now understood the first step in getting excellent sound. Let me now see if I can show you the second. Let me try and make this very simple. A badly aligned cartridge, however good, will not produce the quality of sound I am hearing. You like word pictures (and oh such colourful ones), so maybe you will be able to understand this exceptionally difficult second step with a word picture. The Mercedes F1 car, produced the best results this season delivering 1st and 2nd in the drivers championship. And I hope this does not complicate this picture too much for you, these cars did require excellent drivers. There is no doubt that it was the exceptional quality of the car combined with the excellent quality of the driver that delivered this best performance (car+driver = cartridge). But if Mercedes had used terrible wheel alignment the exceptional quality of the car and driver would have delivered the worst result (alignment = alignment). All clear now?! But credit where credit is due. You are amazing in that you can comment so much on something you have zero experience with, UNI-DIN. |
Bluewolf, ***I appreciate this comment as these are the words of an open mind. Here's the thing. I am not a geometrician and I do not know the geometry behind UNI-DIN. But what I do know is that there must be excellent geometry behind UNI-DIN as otherwise it would not work. It is impossible for it to produce the sound I am getting if it did not work. *** Seems to me that "it" didn't produce the sound, the cartridge did. Out of a mound of bull manure, a prairie flower grows. Would an orchid survive under such conditions? Wouldn't know, I'm not an orchidophile, but I like the way they look. Best regards, |
@fleib , Despite any history you might have with Dertonarm AKA Dietrich Brakemeier, I think this cart should be judged on its merits. You might have a hard time convincing Acoustical Systems cartridge owners that their ears are deceiving them. The rest is history or conjecture. I appreciate this comment as these are the words of an open mind. Here's the thing. I am not a geometrician and I do not know the geometry behind UNI-DIN. But what I do know is that there must be excellent geometry behind UNI-DIN as otherwise it would not work. It is impossible for it to produce the sound I am getting if it did not work. I can appreciate people wanting to discuss and debate technical aspects that they see are behind designs. But these discussions cannot change the actual performance that products are producing. I do not need to know how something works to know that it does work. All the best. |
