geoffkait,
Do not flatter yourself. You are simply not my type. I like smart ones.
Do not flatter yourself. You are simply not my type. I like smart ones.
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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I just got a notice that my post in which I crunched some numbers to get a ballpark figure how many fuses might have been sold, etc. was removed because of...
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oregonpapa, "Jetter asked this question and I answered it:"I got as far as finding this from jetter: "I hope Frank answers littlecx’s question, "So SR just buying the cheap fuses outside and process them or they manufacture their own fuses?""and this from you, albeit addressed to twodolphins: "There's a lot more that goes into the process than just using an ordinary cheap fuse."There are a few posts removed along the way so it may be that your answer to jetter was among them. I am not confused anymore. Now I know we do not have an answer. By the way, is no Synergistic Fuse blowing yet good news, or is it bad news? The only time you are sure that fuse works is when it blows. Is there a way to check reliability? In case Synergistic research is buying someone else's fuses and then modifying them, how sure can a buyer be that this doctored fuse will still operate as it used to? In case they are not buying someone else's fuses, why do not they have machines for production? I am on no side in this fuse battle buy it does raise questions. |
Poor little glubson. Still trying to be somebody by stalking the big guy. Poor little glubby. Poor little wiener dog 😢 Its gratifying to know I can still get under some people’s skin. I’ve still got it, Baby! 🤗You've got sweet **** *** geoff just like like your voodoo website, http://www.machinadynamica.com/ I wish admin would just ban you and your shilling mate from oregon. You both bring audio and this website down to a level of disbelief with both your snake oil voodoo BS on fuses |
geoffkait, I apologize for not reading your posts carefully. I carefully read one every month to know what the flavor of the month will be as, afterwards, they are all the same. So reading georgehifi’s post above, I noticed an error in your previous post. Your adding "little wiener" to my description is just a little bit off the target. By about....well, the fuse on my calculator just blew. |
well, It seems that my post have not been understood. I have purchased SR fuse from the official dealer, then I have simply peal the sticker and I have discovered a fuse with RU logo which you can buy on Amazon for three $... do it yourself if you don't believe me . buy one "official SR fuse" and peel it... then purchase another 10 on amazon. I'll send you pictures if you want... I have pictured all process on my iphone |
I have unpealed my SR 20 fuse and posted a video on You Tube. You can find it with following code: CHl7Dsln19Q. As you can see in my video that fuse is a RU fuse costing 3$ on Amazon. So, if you have purchased SR fuses for 50$ or more (as I did), you may want to perform the same "medical exam". Unpeal them and let us know what's inside your fuses. And don't be angry... those nice stickers and packaging are costly... |
https://www.vhaudio.com/synergistic-research-sr20.html The description says it is custom made for them and then they treat it. It may look like the stock $3 fuse but is it? Did you do a listening test between both of them? This thread is not about an old SR fuse that was first introduced years ago. Have you listened to anything....or are you just wanting to find fault? |
The description says it is custom made for them and then they treat it. It may look like the stock $3 fuse but is it? Serious!!!! your not going to gain any cred with that one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHl7Dsln19Q |
Cred.......what you mean? We all know what you think . Do you really think I care about what is in your mind? Truth is truth. The only truth in audio is what you hear. You don't listen, so you don't know. You just go yama yama yama over and over again. Why do you post at all in the "voodoo" threads? Are you trying to save us from fuses and PPT and all things you don't like? Why do you care that we like these things and hear improvements with them? . Why don't you go to the moon and tell us if it is made of cheese or not. Certainly would be a better use of your time. You entertainment value is zilch....sort of like a fly buzzing around. Annoying at best. |
twodolphins ... Your experiments were with the SR-20 fuse. That is an antique in today's fuse world. When I toured the SR factory a year or so ago, the fuses being processed at the time were the SR Blue fuses. So, that means that from the time your SR-20 fuse was released, SR had subsequently developed the Black, the Red and then the Blue fuse that is the point of discussion in this thread. And now there's the new Orange fuse. I don't think anyone is "misunderstanding" you at all ... you're just seriously out of date. Frank |
There is no prohibition against using a stock fuse to build an aftermarket fuse. Let’s not get overly giddy here. Audio Magic uses a stock fuse to build their Ultimate Beeswax SHD Fuse 🐝- the current price leader at $225, as well as their previous Nano liquid family of fuses, which are all great fuses. I had an Audio Magic Nano fuse in my Woo Audio all-tube Headphone amp. Hey, there’s an idea for someone - a shootout between the SR Orange fuse and the Ultimate Beeswax! How do they get the beeswax 🐝 into the fuse without taking the thing apart? That, gentle readers, is a Government secret! You might as well ask how they get those miniature ships in a bottle. According to the “fuse page” on the website of The Cable Company there are only three count ‘em! Big Players now in the fancy fuse game - SR, Audio Magic and HiFi Tuning. However, any yahoo in town who hasn’t undergone a lobotomy can build his own audiophile grade fuse or improve the one he’s already got. It’s not really rocket science, folks. 🚀 The Cable Company Fuse page, https://www.thecableco.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Fuses |
jetter Geoff, really man, time to get some new material. You have lost it since Roberttcan came around and handed you your head, like you have tried to do with everyone else. Face it, time to change your spiel, 20 years of the same schtick on wire directionality, cryogenics and selling springs doesn’t impress any of us. >>>>>What can I say in my defense? I like being in the center of a controversy. 😬 What happened with roberttcan was when he lost arguments he got involved in here (not only with your humble narrator) he lost control of his emotions. 🥵 Then he resorted to name-calling. He demonstrated he doesn’t know the first thing about scientific evidence and proof, or even the scientific method. Like many “professional debunkers” he was adept at using logical fallacies whether intentionally or not. He’s so emotional! I can spot a pseudo-scientist on a mission before I see the whites of his eyes 👀 |
"There is no prohibition against using a stock fuse to build an aftermarket fuse."How come that manufacturers, those who make "stock" fuses, do not try to take a slice of this "fancy fuse" market? They probably know their fuses are used for it, they have credibility (they actually know how to make, not just "treat"), and they have machinery. They could design them from scratch and instead of "made for us" market it as "in-house research, design, and production". Profit margin seems to be higher. Why are they not doing it? Should we let them know? We may end up with much better fuses in the end. |
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I am thinking that maybe they see it as a very small number despite obviously much bigger profit margins. To sell such fuses advertising may need to be really persuasive and time and money consuming. Maybe they are not willing to get into that trouble. I have no clue but am just trying to think of what it could be. |
To make an audiophile fuse, you must be an audiophile.....you have to listen, tweak, listen, tweak, etc. etc. until you are happy with the sonic results.....Only those interested in how things SOUND would take the time to make our Voodoo fuses. Those who are not listeners (like most manufacturers of stock fuses, George and other nay sayers) have no knowledge about this game of "making things sound better by listening and not measuring". You cannot convince a naysayer that wire directionality, fuses, PPT, etc. make a difference sonically. These people want to just be right and live in the past. It does not matter what they think or say. Be your own GURU. Trust in your own experience, your own ears. Try things yourself and make up your own mind. If you think an idea has no merit....then fine....buy why bother those who listen and hear a difference and spend their money on what they like? |
That seems reasonable, provided that manufacturers are actually decent enough to pass this money-making opportunity that is laid in front of them for the taking. What reassurances do buyers have that a fuse that has been tinkered with will maintain its original function to specifications? Regardless of the sound. |
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$3 fuse from Amazon? all right. I can understand the panic in georgehifi’s post !!! Now what, the Emperors has been clearly exposed as being buck naked and having severe diaper rash... One reason when I bought some expensive duplex outlets, I picked Furutech They CUSTOM MAKE every part. No hardware store gussied up junk. I can assume??? the SR duplex have the same sort of ’quality’ in every step of ’building’ as their $3 fuse too. Oh, sorry, $149 fuse.This is the MOST SATISFYING TURN OF EVENTS THREAD EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Oh, geez, the Red Queen has returned from her self imposed exile.You logged into the wrong thread. Please, check your thread and try your post again. I believe, this is the one you attempted to participate in... https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php |
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The most obvious plot hole the naysayers didn’t even catch. Graphene is a two dimensional material so if you see something painted BLACK or a solution that’s BLACK it’s not Graphene. Real Graphene is one molecule thick and therefore invisible! Hel-loo! Let’s say it’s Graphene’s nephew and call it even. |
"Real Graphene is one molecule thick and therefore invisible!"Not so fast, Candie. Just because it is one molecule thick should not mean it is invisible to everybody. Many will not see it, but some will. Reasons for this differnce is debatable, of course. Think of it as wire directionality. It is there, but nobody can hear it despite some theories floated around. Those who can hear it may hear it just because they know it exists. Just like those who see graphene. Human hearing and eyesight may not be sensitive enough, but power of imagination is mighty and it fills holes that make reality unpleasant. Enjoy the beautiful appearance of graphene together with improvements associated with wire directionality. We will not tell anyone. |
Anyone that's remotely considering spending $150 on a $1 fuse, save your money and do this instead. Change your old crusty fuses that may have seen too many turn on cycles (pics attached), then do it with the same $1 fuse, not the BS $150 SR boutique ones, as they will sound the same and age just as fast. Pics of fast and slow blo fuses that have seen too many turn on cycles over a couple of years. https://ibb.co/PzWvzwr (left to right over time aging) https://ibb.co/17Tvy6t (right to left over time aging) Cheers George |
As a matter of fact George the brand new $1 fuses I have replaced over the years always sound just the same as the $1 one that blew. Gonna go out on a limb, guess that's something like 20-30 times, everything from car stereo to high end tube amps to phono stages. I've never bothered to photograph a fuse because every single one I've ever seen looked as new as the day it went in regardless of how many years or cycles its seen. None of these had any effect on the sound until the Synergistic fuses that went in and were amazingly, unambigouosly, obviously and beyond a doubt insanely better. In other words, and respectfully, but George you are full of it. Is it true you run a store? Have anything at all to do with audio? Other than post uninformed opinion? Gosh I sure hope not. Cheers Chuck |
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geoffkait, I apologize. I thought I would be a good and polite boy and read a few of your posts thoroughly. It saddens me that you cannot comprehend my replies. How about you taking a vacation in Minnesota? Winter is coming and freezing there would make you amazingly, unambigouosly, obviously and beyond a doubt insanely better. |
Let’s agree for the moment that fuses of whatever kind do make a difference. Great. Bingo. However, reading the post above..., "...Synergistic fuses that went in and were amazingly, unambigouosly, obviously and beyond a doubt insanely better."makes it less believable. I doubt than anybody here has a fully crappy system that cannot play even close to decent. I suspect that millercarbon has a truly nice set-up many would envy. I really do. Now, to make it so much better, the way it is described, just by changing a fuse would make me think that system was not that good to begin with. Which is what I highly doubt. Ok, maybe fuse made some difference, but if it makes it all insanely better, something is wrong with the rest of the equipment. And what are the chances of that slipping unnoticed? |
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Chuck has it right. Fuses can change the tonal direction of a system enough that your system may become be too detailed and resolving for your particular tastes. Conversely, other high end fuses can tip the tonal character to the warm side. The bottom line is they do impact the overall tonal balance and sound of our systems in a noticeable manner. I have heard it over and over. I use upgraded fuses to dial in my system’s tonal balance to my liking. They impact the resulting sound much like cabling can. So yes, some would call this impact dramatic. It certainly can be dramatic for audiophiles that intimately know the sound of their rigs and find these sonic and tonal changes important. Small changes to an audiophile can be dramatic in terms overall music enjoyment. Fuses are simply another part in the power supply of our gear. I hear changes in sound quality when upgrading IEC sockets, wire, caps, inductors and diodes all located in the power supply. Parts matter folks. The blades in our IECs make a difference even though they are only an inch or so long. Same with diodes, resistors and certainly fuses. Most easy to understand and hear for those who build, mod, swap, listen and intentionally want to learn about parts and their influence on sound. Perhaps these nuances are not important to you? That is fine for you and the topic of fuses should be of no interest to you then. Not sure why some folks want to make it unimportant to others who are just different from you? The sonic impact of fuses is undeniable based on user, actual user, reviews and testimonies. Overwhelming, near universal enjoyment of what these fuses bring sonically, with so very few outliers not hearing the sonic impact. So very few. The aggregate experience of music and gear lovers has already proven fuses have a sonic impact. The crowd of doubters who have not experimented and still say “no way” is rather hard to take serious. They just don’t know. |
It’s been my experience, the better/more efficient/more finely tuned, everything around something that’s going to be upgraded: the more obvious a change that upgrade will provide. Works with computers, race cars, motorcycles, or- audio equipment. Anything that can be upgraded, in a series of components/parts. ie: The differences in PCs, home wiring, outlets and fuses, are much more obvious, after improved capacitors, regulators, and(especially) rectifier tubes or diodes are installed, in one’s power supply. The particular device(pre, power amp, phono stage, etc), doesn't usually matter. Actually having some experience in these things, makes it much easier to understand. |