I would have to agree Wolf that Frank can be a little over zealous in his proclamations...lol.
However I was one of the biggest disbelievers in existence in these type of tweaks.
But I swallowed my ego and gave the SR fuses a try.
And I know what I heard, simple as that.
I also truly believe that some will not hear anything at all for whatever cumulative reasons.
I have no problem also giving the TC a trial as well when it appears to be well proven by time.
Everybody is of course free to post their thoughts and opinions but it does appear to get out of hand at times.
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I appreciate the fact that my post was reinstated, as it contains no personal attacks on anybody, and exists as a simple statement of why I continue to criticize the hyperbole extant in these specific product driven threads. Besides, it was well written for the enjoyment of all! So please, ENJOY!
Note that my give and take with Oregonpapa is just that and he can handle it and respond with the all the gusto he deems appropriate, as does geoffkait who also exhibits spunk and humor over years of bantering back and forth. I'd like to meet either of these guys in person as they're both interesting characters…the Rocky Mountain show this year? My kid lives in Denver, so… |
Back on topic...
I would definitely urge anybody who hasn't tried a Blue fuse to do so, I am still grinning from the extra bass and soundstage. I'm more convinced than ever that the Blue fuses bring something to the party that the Blacks don't.
For what it's worth, my distributor recommended changing the main extension lead first, so it might be worth giving that a go to begin with if your budget only stretches to one fuse. |
@mitch2.
Why just take one small phase out of context with the rest of the post? Yes a little aggressive but sometimes you need fight fire with fire....
As you correctly state it used to be with large doses of humour and a smirk.
Now we see increasing amounts of vitriol that is neither wanted or warranted.
But I have started a thread on the matter so let us not clog up this thread.... |
"strike the offenders" Really!? Lots of aggressive jargon being thrown around in this thread. Over almost 20 years here, I cannot ever remember a time when everyone liked the same flavor of Kool-Aid. There were always differing opinions and people calling each other out on stuff but it was often done with a bit of humor and most folks took it in stride. People seem a little more thin-skinned these days. Maybe we should all just have a big game of dodgeball... |
Guys.....
It is not just what you say but HOW you say it, that is part of the problem
I guarantee that the majority of the name callers and mud slingers would not dare talk that way in real life to the other party without the keyboard and monitor to hide behind.
Yes it is a freedom of speech era for sure but still what defines a civilized world seems to have become very blurred on forums today.
Feel free to have at it of course, all it does is make a big mess of any thread with numerous deleted posts that with replies to said deleted posts makes the thread nonsense at times.
Much more sensible to just strike the offenders.
Maybe it is time for a thread on thoughts on how mods should take action, see what the mindset is.
Whatever let this thread get back to the subject matter at hand and try and cease all the inhouse fighting.
SR Blue Fuse I think it was......... |
Mapman is utterly correct, as is Georgehifi. |
Hey look one gets to promote and advertise for free here. If you want to advertise without being challenged there is always that thing called paid advertisements. |
Thank you tommylion. It was Wolf's personal insults that resulted in the moderator's actions.
uberwaltz you are probably correct; however, I occasionally found similar troll activities on major magazine forums and sometimes the same people as found in Audiogon's forums. |
Imho the mods are handling this whole forum completely wrong...and yes this may merit deletion as I have found they also do,not like criticism, constructive or otherwise!
Speaking from experience here as a mod on other forums motor related we would not stand for the nonsense spouted by a select few on a regular ongoing basis.
We had a very simple infractions system and when you got too many points it was timeout.
Now the timeout varied by nature of the infractions and repeat offenders.
It was not uncommon for unwanted elements to find themselves on a permanent timeout!
I don't think that would be out of place here as these forums are rapidly going to hell in a handbasket.
Just my 3 cents worth you understand |
Thanks fleschler 🙂
I was responding mainly to wolf's post, which has now been deleted.
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The moderator has allowed me to forward inappropriate, nasty or stupid posts. The moderator has eliminated some of the SR blue fuse posts and more of the Total Contact posts. This forum has become friendlier since then. |
As far as the issue of whether this thread, or any other, is inappropriate, there are moderators here. You are certainly free to report whatever you think is inappropriate. Maybe you have already done this? If you have, and the thread hasn’t been altered or deleted, what does that tell you?
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This can’t be good for anybody. Just my opinion. |
Wow. Just throwing words around. Then complain about being called something. That train is headed for a wreck and hopefully no innocent bystanders go with it. Actually it may be a train to nowhere, but still hopefully no innocent bystanders go with it. Actually I think it already had a wreck and came back discombobulated. Actually when I think about it I think it came back 18 times and a little more 'you know' each time. Seems Helpless. And Hopeless. Hopless while I am at it. And maybe hostesslessness. Could be by now humanusless and just computer generated. Today's letter is H.
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However you perceive claims made about the product, the crucial question remains; does it deliver on them, or not? I totally respect someone who says they choose not to try a product, for whatever reasons they elaborate. However, what more can they say about its effectiveness, or lack thereof, after that? If they continue to speak about the product, especially in a highly derogatory manner, their credibility falls rapidly, and their motives come into question. We don't know what we don't know, and most reasonable people here will readily admit that.
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+1 regarding the shilling…it's never, for me, been about the product per se (although having tested some fuses I concluded them to be a useless non-tweak), simply the hyperbole around the product. If it works for you, great, and clearly these forums have helped SR sell piles of fuses so I can safely assume Tim Mrock will benefit mightily from these Athletic Supporters. But if anyone simply stands back from these posts with an objective point of view, they clearly add up to a hard sell with a few dissenters who are threatened and mocked regularly. The simple reason I return to these threads is that the promoters continually keep up the extreme oversold hype with analogies, opinions, and reviews I simply find not believable, and I feel an obligation to exercise my right to protest what is clearly a misplaced commercial enterprise.
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Frank, with respect, if I see you post the word "destroy" in relation to Tim Mrock personally once more, I’ll never order Total Contact whatever the forthcoming reviews. Even though you think you’re valiantly defending your friend and his business. It just comes across really badly. +1 To me it almost comes across professional shilling, with some of the incredible sound improvement claims made, on both cleaner and fuses. Cheers George |
^^^ Thanks for your thoughts tel555. I really do appreciate them. Respectfully ... While it may appear to be over the top to you, unlike those few who’ve I’ve asked many times what their intent is/was, and never received the courtesy of an answer. I will state my intent very cogently ... My intent is to drive them off of these forums. They are people who take some kind of perverse pleasure in hurting others. I consider it to be a form of insanity. For over three years now, they have had nothing positive to say. They have followed me from forum to forum spewing destructive invective and personally attacking me. Read through the threads and you’ll see what I mean. Am I supposed to just sit back and take it? Nope, not me. Every time I’ve attacked them, it was in response to them attacking me. Sorry man, but I don’t lay down for bullies. In my opinion, defending oneself is an honorable pursuit. Agreed? Its one thing to be a keyboard warrior sitting across from a computer screen. Its another thing to say what they say face to face. My prediction is they wouldn’t dare. In fact, they’re probably polite and respectful as can be in person. You know, the meek nerdy types that flood every audio show. The type that won’t look you in the eyes when they talk or shake your hand. The internet is their chance to roar and rid themselves of their frustrations. Seriously, I appreciate your thoughts. What would you do if you were constantly bullied by THE FEW same actors? Would you fight back, or would you just sit back taking the beat-down? I’d be interested in hearing what you think their intent was. If it wasn’t an attempt to ruin a business, what was it? Do you think it was just a few folks with a screw loose taking pleasure in deriding others? I certainly can’t call what they’ve done "sanity." Not by any means. - "People like to goad others, to taunt them, to pour scorn on things they don’t understand."
This is what I’m alluding to and you’ve nailed it. . ^^^ That is insanity. At any rate, the psychology of it all makes for some very interesting conversation, does it not? Final thought ... Tim’s product is way too good to pass up just because you disagree with what I have to say here on the forum. Try to separate the two. 1) Tim has a great product. 2) I'm just a guy who, when finding a new piece of equipment, or a new tweak that really works, wants to share the information with others. That's it in a nut shell. Hang in there ... Frank |
Frank, with respect, if I see you post the word "destroy" in relation to Tim Mrock personally once more, I'll never order Total Contact whatever the forthcoming reviews. You're doing yourself no favours by continually banging this drum so aggressively. Forums are fickle places, people have all sorts of agendas, it alters the way people talk and behave. People like to goad others, to taunt them, to pour scorn on things they don't understand. Schadenfreude. You won't change that. But for goodness sake take one step back and stop being drawn in, even though you think you're valiantly defending your friend and his business. It just comes across really badly. |
^^^ *lol* .... Thanks Dave ...
A 50 year career working in 100% commissioned sales alters one's skin thickness. Mine's now about two feet thick. Besides, I don't cater to bullies.
I believe the intent was to try to destroy a businessman (Tim Mrock) and his product. Why else would these guys be advising members here to not buy the product? Either they are competitors, work for competitors, or ... they are just exhibiting that, which Lenin had an apt term for ... "Useful Idiots."
Thanks again for the music recommendation. Debussy set in a jazz mode is quite interesting. My daughters and grand daughter were educated in Catholic schools. One of the nuns in their high school, a music teacher who played the violin superbly, once told me that if Mozart were alive today he would be composing and playing jazz.
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Glad to hear that you liked it Frank. Good to see you hanging tough with all the "drama" going on. No good deed goes unpunished.
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Dlcockrum (Dave)
Just wanted you to know that I finally got around to ordering this CD. Very, very nice Dave. Robert loves it too. Thanks for the recommendation. Frank |
Damage Control! Damage Control! |
^^^ So, the Blue fuses didn't work for you?
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I posted the S R blue fuse back to Kemp Elektroniks by registered mail for the refund after a conversation with the owner.
He received it on 05 jan.Now 29 jan still no refund.
Two conversations in the mean time,in the last over a week ago, he said he is quite busy . |
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Exactly mattspl ...
I wouldn't want to be without the SR Blue fuses in the system. While the SR Black fuses are really good, the Blue's are in a different league altogether.
Try a tube of Tim Mrock's "Total Contact." You'll think you have Blue fuses on steroids. No joke. :-)
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They are addictive aren’t they Frank. Acoustic space around instruments is the Blue’s biggest gain over any other fuse I’ve tried, including the blacks. |
Not me ... I have the entire system done up in SR Blue fuses. Big jump in SQ over the Black fuses.
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I’ve just ordered another Blue fuse, this time for my Dac to replace the Black fuse. This will be good to do a direct comparison between the 2.
Anybody else any further tests or trials with the Blue fuses? |
For any audiophiles like me, who’s always changing something, breaking in new electronics, new power cords, cables, adding or trying new tweaks, it is quite impossible to keep track of what cause is producing what effect. I’m not not even talking about other external variables that affect sound like weather conditions, time of day, day of week, variability of quality and quantity of house power, and things that are not generally known to affect the sound. You know what I’m talking about, unmentionable things, things the mere mention of which causes instant post deletions. 😛
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tel ...
I've been testing the TC for about a year now. The ONLY downside so far has been the effort to apply the paste to the connections. Its a bit time consuming.
So far there has been no degradation to the sound over time. Quite the contrary actually. It seems to be the contact enhancer that just keeps on giving.
While there is an initial improvement in SQ, as stated before, there are major break-throughs at 4 weeks and again at 8 weeks, both of which have to be heard to be believed.
Try to keep an open mind. The reviews from A'gon members are just starting to come in.
For more details, go to the "member reviews" forum and check it out.
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I'm not sure whether this thread is now a Synergistic Research Blue fuse thread or a Total Contact thread. But on the topic of Total Contact, many potential buyers, myself included, will have been deterred by their experience with other "pastes", in my case Walker SST. As many on these pages have said, it seems to improve things marginally at first, but after a few months is actually detrimental, and then you have to go to the hassle of wiping the stuff off all your contacts, of course always knowing that the inside of your sockets will never be completely free of it again. That said, I would never be closed mind to a new product. Technology marches on, new materials come into play. To what extent graphene is being used just because it's grabbing headlines rather than offering anything genuinely new I don't know, but maybe there's something in it. What I *do* have a problem with, however, is the apparent one way street of good news. The miracle application. No downsides whatsoever. I'm sorry, but I'm too long in the tooth to buy that any more. Roll forward a year, and there will be, there absolutely WILL be, a more balanced evaluation of Total Contact. The pros and the cons. Give me that now, and I'll pay more attention. Please just don't expect me to believe it is a miracle treatment with no downsides. Hi-Fi manufacturers with R&D budgets multiple times greater than Mr Mrock would have brought this to market if it was the no-brainer we're being led to believe it is. |
Lol. As my daughter would say, "I know right?"
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Appreciate the links koskot but what does this have to do with Quantum Inductive Coupling? I see this.....
"Coupling between two or more qubits is essential to implement many-qubit gates. The two basic coupling mechanisms are the direct inductive coupling and coupling via a microwave resonator." Again, using Google scholar, if you enter the term "quantum inductive coupling".......there is no such thing. Your flux qubit is defined as....
"micrometer sized loops of superconducting metal interrupted by a number of Josephson junctions."
So how is this relevant to a fuse when they are micrometer sized and used for quantum computing? I'm just not making the connection.
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So I was right! It is like a flux capacitor. 😬
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It's rather interesting; I wanted to understand "Quantum Inductive Coupling" the "science" behind the SR blue fuses so I did a google search for the term. Has anyone here searched that term? Nothing comes up. Ok so then I thought, maybe this is proprietary to SR so I emailed them and asked if they could explain this term as I was interested in the science. I haven't heard from them.
I don't wish to argue the validity of SR blue fuses nor do I want to take away from anyone's experience with this product but can anyone tell me what
"Quantum Inductive Coupling"
is?
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^^^ Total Contact isn't a "cleaner" like Deoxit. I've used Deoxit for years along with ProGold to clean and enhance my connections. Total Contact serves a different purpose altogether. Apples and oranges.
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The Deoxit I use is the tiny tube of red oil you apply to contacts.
I use Isopropyl alcohol and a gold jewellery cleaning cloth beforehand to polish the connections once or twice a year.
Be aware not to use the Isopropyl on the SR fuses as it will remove the black coating(on the black fuse).
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I have been using Deoxit for years now to clean contacts and it works! Typically, I clean all my contacts once a year. |
Thanks for the explanation Frank. I might order some in the near future. I’m currently just using deoxit on my fuses and contacts. |
^^^ mattspl ... 1. It looks as though you’ve coated the surface of a contact with a thin layer of pencil lead. 2. It leaves no mess. Easily removable at any stage with alcohol and a cotton swab like a Q-tip. 3. Actually there is improvement beyond the 8 week period. True, there’s a huge jump in SQ at 4, and especially at 8 weeks, but it seems to continue to improve beyond that point Can’t say if it ever dries "fully." Same addictive quality as the fuses ... but I honestly believe that Total Contact is more of an improvement than the Blue fuses were ... and as you already know, that's saying something. Go here to order: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/listening-room-electrical-contact-enhancer-2018-01-17-systemsFrank |
Just on the SR Blue fuses again, mine has about 100hrs on it as it’s left powered up all the time. Did a bit of listening today and my system sounds great. Addictive. |
This new TC sounds interesting. What does it look like when applied? Does it leave any mess on contacts if you choose to remove it? If it improves greatly at the 8 week point, is this because it cures and dries fully at this stage?
Thanks
Matt |
Seeing one of my last links to a great contact cleaner and conditioner was removed, here it is again with more careful wording around the link. Save some money, a $10 can of this is just good for cleaning and conditioning all your contacts, do it once a year using an old tooth brush or similar, the can will last years. It’s researched and developed by huge electronic supply company that all audio techs world wide I know of use and trust. And their specs are very creditable. https://www.electrolube.com/products/contact-lubricants/eml/contact_cleaner_lubricants/Cheers George |
Oh,and one more thing. For the Videophiles out there ... Total Contact will improve the sound and picture of your video system as well.
Frank |
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! 🐥 |
^^^ So, you want to toss around terms like "drama queen" without investigating why my response to George was as it was? That makes no sense at all. Nope, he wasn’t baiting me. He’s attempting to destroy a lot of hard work and monetary investment by the producer of Total Contact. That’s my take until such time that George either explains what is intent is, or he apologizes to Tim Mrock for attempting to burn his business down. Frank PS: Again, for those interested in ordering Total Contact, here’s the link: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/listening-room-electrical-contact-enhancer-2018-01-17-systems |
