There are more amps which can give a 3D stage with the PL-200. It depends hom much money you want to spend?
There is no information yet. They will have the same kind of new unit technique as the new silver series.
Monitor Audio Always uses better materials than others in the same price league.
Monitor Audio is founded in 1972, the year I was born :) |
How about in the $5000-$10,000 range?
What do you mean by the same new unit technique as the silver series? |
16 years, yet you wasted 8 years selling 2d dali. |
I would go for the new .8 series of Pass Labs. No question about it!
The drivers can make a bigger movement. The conus is been hang up from the middle. This gives them a bigger response.
It was the first speaker I heard which did not have what we call; a hummm in the low freq. When they are brand new.
I never heard this timing in low freq. in this price range.
Audio is about comparing. If people are happy with 2D sound, it is fine with me.
Not every person like my direct approach. I am not here to be liked by every person. And that is fine with me. |
I "get" what Bo is saying that he "sells a sound."
That's a pretty unique approach. I can't say I've been to a retailer who approaches audio that way.
My GX200's have broken in a bit and I can see where some folks would find them tipped-up. Compared to the Vienna Acoustics speakers that preceded them, absolutely. However, the GX200 has an incredible mid-range that blends really well with the woofer. Add in the ribbon tweeter and I agree that these guys disappear and seem to create space behind themselves. The highs are way extended, and some folks might not like this. My wife likes this feature because she can listen at relatively low levels and still experience great sound.
I can also see that, because the GX200 are revealing, a really good DAC or source would be with the cash. |
Thanks Mjmch,
I am addicted to music and sound since I was 6. I have done so much more research and tests than any other in this branche.
For me things are a lot easier to understand. It is sometimes irritating that others are so f....blind (deaf) and that they really don't know what they do.
I see a lot further in sound and music than others do. In life all people are equal. But in the world of audio in my opinion there are many F...mongols!
They give many people a low level of endresult. So F...the mongols! |
I have seen many women enjoy music for the first time in their life. Because I Always try to involve women during listening.
Women have a better developed hearing than men. But....the interest in audio and music is bigger with men.
I have a female client who is 69 years old. She is listening to music on the couch. Because this is in the middel of the set. She said: when I sit here I can hear people stand in front of me like they are here in real. She has her own chair. Before they bought the set she never sit on the couch she said. |
Many people in audio(mongols) do not know the properties of all the different stuff they sell.
So they are not able to use the right amps to make the best combination with a speaker.
The most common mistake with Monitor Audio in my country. I did a research for the distributer. Is that most of them sell and demo Monitor Audio with 2 dimensional amps. |
"Mystery solved; Monitor Audio for everyone!!!!!!!!!!
Throw away all other "2D" crap!!!!!!!!!"
Chuckling |
In the world of Audio there are enough brands who are able to give you a 3D sound. They create a higher endresult in sound than 2 dimensional sound.
It doesn't mean that people cannot enjoy 2 dimensional sound. The intensity is different. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Bo1972, have you ever considered getting some psychiatric help? |
No need, but in audio I guess many people need some more knowledge to get a better result. That's a fact! |
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Bo's lucky. All of the best psychiatric help can be bought legally and over the counter in his country. |
Many Lucky clients makes you happy, it is that easy :)
So I hope for the mongols that they will learn to think...... |
Bo,
You just killed this thread with your "3D ego".
Way to go. |
Updating things the New M-3 Spatial audio speakers in a Turbo model
Upgraded capacitors, and S model special Titanium Nitrate coating for the ultimate in response. These speakers testing against marks like 3.7 Maggi $new model $3500 Emerald physics brystons best and 208 Revel my brother owns floor stander.Th bass really stands out .the room is energized with tight articulate Bass .a subwoofer will go down perhaps lower but will not energized the room this fast snd articulate.i have a JL audio E -12 sub which is great but the open baffle crested snappy bass like live.
In all my years as a Audiophile no speaker even at $5k did so many things
So well integrated, and works well if even tough acoustic rooms.
Efficiency 94 DB @4 ohms and go down to below 30 HZ is a tough act to follow . I call it a 2.5 speaker for it has a purpose built super broad band compression driver developed with Emenance driver engineers for the test response the compression driver is made in Italy I was told ?
Either the a Turbo,or a Turbo S model is recommended to archive the results I mentioned and with a 45 day trial a no brainer in my opinion. |
Can you compare 1D Monitor Audio GX100 vs 6D Dynaudio Focus 160? I don't care what D is it, if it's too revealing, it ain't a good speakers for music, right? To connect to the music, we need E(Emotion) D lol |
It is very easy to compare. The new Gold speakers of Monitor Audio use new drivers. Material is lighter and they are these days more connected from the centre. This gives them a faster response. So a beter timing.
They changed the crossovers of the ribbontweeter as well. It has now more authority and the harshness is gone.
When you compare Dynaudio against Dynaudio, the differences are huge. The Monitor Audio is faster, more open en the stage is wider and deeper.
Wen you sell Monitor Audio loudspeakers with an amp what can create a wider and deep stage the distance between the Dynaudio and Monitor Audio becomes bigger.
When you hear music by a wider and deeper stage you will directly hear that music becomes so much more appealing.
My advice: just compare them yourself. The biggest limitation is that most shops in the Netherlands use 2 dimensional amps with Monitor Audio.
Monitor Audio Holland asked me in 2014 what kind of amps the shops use who sell their products. Over 90% is only 2 dimensional.
We test all amps on all parts you judge it for. Stage depth and width is an important part as well. |
I was impressed by active speakers Event Opal that powered by nearly 500 watts per each. |
I have never seen Monitor audio speakers in a high-end store. Plus I believe the mail order company Audio Adviser sells them. I will say one thing. You are a great salesman and you should be a rep for the company. For all I know you already are. |
It depends how you use it. These days I only sell 3 dimensional sound. This is both stereo and multi channel. I had many 3 dimensional highend sets. But I wanted to create te same kind of sound for all my clients.
Monitor Audio is the only brand in the world ( in their price ranges) who creates crossovers who can create a deep and wide stage. I can create a stunning stage with all their speakers.
When you use Monitor Audio this way, you can outperform all other brands. Audio is all about shootout and comparing. The exitment and emotion what you get by a 3 dimensional sound in both stereo and multi channel exceeds any 2 dimensional sound. I can send all my clients to any other shop. They always choose for my 3 dimensional sound. |
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I have never seen Monitor audio speakers in a high-end store. Plus I believe the mail order company Audio Adviser sells them. I will say one thing. You are a great salesman and you should be a rep for the company. For all I know you already are."
There are smaller, traditional high end stores in the US that sells Monitor Audio. I bought a pair from a store in PA a few years back. Also, they are more established in other countries that don't have so many brands like we do here in the US. Its a tough market.
As far as value goes, I find them to be very competitive with other speakers in their price range. MA is a hard speaker to mess up with. (Keep in mind, I haven't heard any with the ribbon tweeters). For my own personal taste, the only speakers I like better for about the same money is Vandersteen. That said, I can see someone liking MA better, especially if you like the British feel in a speaker (PRAT). MA does that very well. |
Bo,
What amps give the 3 dimensional sound with the new Monitor Audio Gold series? |
Despite the extreme/obsessive focus on MA, I found a lot of other recommendations in this thread that I think could be helpful for my speakerquest as well. Thank you to all the posters on here who made the other recommendations along with their reasons. |
In the mid price range Onkyo is the only brand what can create a deep and wide stage.
A little higher: Primare and Pathos.
In higher price ranges there are a lot more: Pass, Krell and Dan D'Agostino etc.
* When you use Pass labs poweramps and a source like the Lumin S1 ( we are Lumin dealer as well) you can create with the Platinum series a much bigger holographic stage compared to many speakers like: Kef en B&W.
Beside these I compared the stage of the Platinum with the Wilson Audio Sasha2. This was also with Pass labs. The stage of the Platinum was wider and deeper. But within the stage instruments and voices are much more palpable and 3 dimensional.
The outcomming Platinum will be superior to the older ones. The ribbontweeter is bigger and wider. This will create a stunning holographic stage. Roksan uses the same ribontweeter in a speaker. We never auditioned such a wide and deep stage with a 2D amp. Very promissing.
It is much more open than Diamond/beryllium tweeter and even less harsh.
The new subwoofer will be unique as well. It will have 2 times 15 inch bass units with both their own amp. But they will use ceramic with alluminium drivers with the same way the Gold series connected their drivers. This is more from the centre of the unit. It will have the fastest response in the market. The timing will be a lot faster than the slow Velodyne subwoofers. They will even go lower than the 18 inch Velodyne.
Beside this the Pl-500 will be the Flagship of 20.000 euro. This will be a competitor of the B&W 802D3. I will buy them myslef as well and I can promiss you one thing: I will invite B&W for a shootout. Prepare yourself B&W!! |
I've try to drive a pairs of Dynaudio Focus 110 using Class D Audio power amp SDS-400C, with amazing results, a little speakers can become so powerful if you give them enough clean quality and quantity of power, but not all speakers benefit from more power, some traditional designed speakers suffer from too much power, it just cannot go beyond certain dynamic level, but clean power does contribute better on transparency |
I've spent the past 6 months searching for just the kind of speakers you're describing. The search culminated with a visit to RMAF last month to compare the finalists in one place. My final choice may surprise you, but it's worth checking into. For me, it came down to the Goldenear Triton 2 and the Spatial Audio M3. I went with the Spatial Audio M3. It has a much more natural sound, has excellent detail and imaging, yet still has the right amount of warmth. And it's half the price of the Triton 2. The Spatials are relative newcomers, but they're won't be obscure very long. The reviews have been outstanding, and the product is unique and special. It's well worth checking out. |
