Kaitty simply has no actual idea how many Magic Fuses have been sold and bristles when called out on that because he knows he's clueless. Regarding my "question," nobody clearly addresses "internal wire direction chaos" as it simply renders Fusers nonsensical, and unable to respond with anything beyond personal attacks and weak excuses often from people who should know better, but need to feel somehow self important with claims of some strangely superior hearing skills. Carefully applied Snake Oil can grease your way into some self satisfying imagined legitimacy...hyperbole yer sneakers away!
Something For The Fuse Guys ...
There are fuses, and then, there are fuses.
I'm evaluating some prototype fuses that I received in the mail three days ago.
Over the past few years, I've used fuses from five different manufacturers. The last three were the Red, Black and Blue fuses from Synergistic Research. Each one incrementally improved the sound of my system. My favorite so far was the SR Blue.
The prototype fuses being evaluated presently raises the SQ beyond all of the others mentioned above. The major improvement to my ears is better tonal accuracy. Instruments and voices are more life-like. The noise is reduced allowing for a more solid 3-D presentation with the musicians more solidly presented on the sound stage. Overall, more information is fleshed out of CDs and LPs.
The manufacturer, the price and the name of the prototype fuses will come later. I don't have the information thus far. My understanding is, if all works out, the release date is to be mid-October.
Stay tuned ...
Frank
I'm evaluating some prototype fuses that I received in the mail three days ago.
Over the past few years, I've used fuses from five different manufacturers. The last three were the Red, Black and Blue fuses from Synergistic Research. Each one incrementally improved the sound of my system. My favorite so far was the SR Blue.
The prototype fuses being evaluated presently raises the SQ beyond all of the others mentioned above. The major improvement to my ears is better tonal accuracy. Instruments and voices are more life-like. The noise is reduced allowing for a more solid 3-D presentation with the musicians more solidly presented on the sound stage. Overall, more information is fleshed out of CDs and LPs.
The manufacturer, the price and the name of the prototype fuses will come later. I don't have the information thus far. My understanding is, if all works out, the release date is to be mid-October.
Stay tuned ...
Frank
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I have explained many times right here on these forums why fuses and all wire are directional in AC circuits including the power cords.Yes, you have explained it so many times that, well forget it. You have explained that in the wire extruding process of pulling it through the dies to create the various gauges the wire molecules or whatever are distorted into a certain direction, and this creates a directionality that impacts the sound. We get it, but think it is BS. Have a nice evening. |
Wow, all I have to do is say the magic words, thick as a brick, and George pops up. Am I psychic or what? I have explained many times right here on these forums why fuses and all wire are directional in AC circuits including the power cords. It’s not rocket science. Besides, are all cables and fuses in the audio system in AC circuits? Did I miss one? 🤗 |
People seem to be catching on to the fuse nonsense.Got that right, especially the ****** that say ac mains fuses are directional. Oh and once again for good measure. The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen, and switch-on surge ageing will be the same for both $200 fuse or the $2 fuse A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left https://ibb.co/k5KgcB6 A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right https://ibb.co/1LNFGxQ Your better off spending $2 on a "new original fuse", and save hundreds. Cheers George |
So Kaitty, you don't get my position on internal wiring to the extent that you actually help make my case...internal wiring "direction" isn't regarded as even barely important in components as it's simply not. The tiny fuse wire isn't either, and your claim of knowing how many Magic Fuses have been sold has nothing to back it up except your alleged position as an "Audio Insider," who the Ted Dennys of the world open their sales books to. Baloney. I still maintain that the vast majority of sane audio geeks disregard the hyperbole of the Magic Fuse Cabal and enjoy snake oil free sound. The rest can hold up Oregonpapa and Millercarbonfootprint's sandals and cry, "Cast off the shoe and follow the gourd!" |
Translation: Frank your evaluation is good enough for Ted Denney, but not for me. I’m jealous. Why doesn’t Ted care what I think? Why do people listen to you and not me? I’d like to hear from people who say its crap.Thank you for your profound translation. Only problem, Frank actually tried them. You have not.I use SR Blue and Black, Hifi Tuning Supreme Everyone who’s actually tried them knows they are really, really good. So sorry. Guess you’ll just have to content yourself with raining on the parade.I would like to hear from those who use Orange and compared them to Blue or Black. That’s a translation. Didn’t actually mean raining. millercarbon, you are such a jerk :) Jerk in the rain Kind Regards |
Quick answer to Wolfman question: All wire is directional, but printed circuit board traces are formed from thin copper sheets, which are not directional. However all wire in an electrical component IS directional including but not limited to wire in resistors, transformers, fuses, capacitors, inductors, point-to-point wiring and ribbon connectors. The connecting cables are also directional - digital cable, interconnects, HDMI cable, etc. Alias, electronics manufacturers never got the memo on directionality, and are still hyper-focused on circuits. |
Wolf, your point regarding directionality is well made. Unfortunately, at this point I have also come to regard a number of Millercarbon posts as "lame". I mean who insults another person’s listening skills they don’t even know? And Millercarbon, what’s with making 3,000 post in just under 14 months, I think your gonna hit Guinness territory soon. If your thinking of responding why don't I just politely ignore your posts, I generally do, but I find Wolf's posts most interesting/fun, so that's why I read your last few. |
My question remains in spite of Millercarbonfootprint's brevity free dodge, and people SHOULD care as it renders fusers as irrelevant as they should be...and another silly attack on my listening skills. Lame. My point remains that magic fuses do nothing except excite a tiny faith based group of people claiming to see a face in their toast...there's really nothing there and they likely know it, but many need to feel they see things others don't to prop up shortcomings elsewhere...each magic fuse costs about the same as an hour with a therapist so there's that. |
jkuc ...
Wait ... didn't you ask me this direct question, or am I missing something? Now I'm confused. Is there another "Papa" lurking around here? Frank |
Wolf - circuit boards I can’t help ya with much , except to say curved traces sound better. Now, for a simple experiment, you are a tube guy as I recall and tube amp Sonics are dominated by transformers, which you are not likely to change but get yourself a Stereo 70 and start at the inputs with a directional wire ( typically extruded in a die under a gas shield ) and work your way thru the amp.... this won’t tell you WHY... a Hafler 200 is easy, cheap and more evident |
Frank, you were involved in evaluation process of the prototype SR Orange. This reduces credibility of your statements but thanks for admitting your participation. Translation: Frank your evaluation is good enough for Ted Denney, but not for me. I'm jealous. Why doesn't Ted care what I think? Why do people listen to you and not me? I’d like to hear from people who say its crap. Only problem, Frank actually tried them. You have not. Everyone who’s actually tried them knows they are really, really good. So sorry. Guess you’ll just have to content yourself with raining on the parade. That's a translation. Didn't actually mean raining. |
jkuc
Frank’s ears prick up at the first mention of the words orange or fuse, it’s his beer money, also watch for the other three of the 4 musketeers they tag and take over, do your searching to see who the shiller are, before believing anyone on ac mains fuses, especially being directional. Oh!! thanks for reminding me!! The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen, and switch-on surge ageing will be the same for both $200 fuse or the $2 fuse A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left https://ibb.co/k5KgcB6 A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right https://ibb.co/1LNFGxQ Your better off spending $2 on a "new original fuse", and save hundreds. Cheers George |
jkuc ...Ok. Thanks Frank. |
Here’s a question I ask from time to time as it never has been answered, yet I persevere: Are any audio components manufactured with attention paid to alleged proper "direction" of the wiring and circuit board traces? Maybe. Who knows? Who cares? Besides you, I mean. Which by the way you do not. Any more than anyone else does. What we care about is the final result. Which is what you care about too, since if you really did care you wouldn’t be asking us you’d be asking the manufacturer. So this is all dramatic rhetorical table dressing on your part. And if not, what possible difference would "fuse direction" make if the wiring following the fuse isn’t intentionally directional?So what you are saying, the coffee was picked green, poorly roasted, and ground the wrong size, and brewed too long. What difference could it possibly make if its served cold? Or if you’re not into coffee, the hamburger still has marks from where the jockey was whipping it, so how can it make any difference if its bacon and cheese? I would give an audio example but you don’t seem much into that so hopefully one of these metaphors will do. If not I have others. It would seem that wire directionality chaos exists in many if not all components yet they somehow work just fine.Well, yes, that’s the whole point. But nobody is saying things don’t work, "just fine" or otherwise. What they’re saying is they sound better one way than another. A difference with a distinction. See?
Great. You can save a lot of money then. And now having graciously agreed with your lack of listening skills, you get to have the last word: Hyperbole laden claims of the sonic superiority of Magic Fuses abound around here, but I seriously doubt all of ’em, as do the vast majority of reasonable audiophiles and gear manufacturers..."thems just the facts," regardless of what many claim to perceive. |
Here’s a question I ask from time to time as it never has been answered, yet I persevere: Are any audio components manufactured with attention paid to alleged proper "direction" of the wiring and circuit board traces? And if not, what possible difference would "fuse direction" make if the wiring following the fuse isn’t intentionally directional? It would seem that wire directionality chaos exists in many if not all components yet they somehow work just fine. I personally compared premium (all SR products) fuses to stock in an experiment a few years ago, and found them to be utterly worthless relative to the performance of stock (read inexpensive yet well made items like Littelfuse products) fuses. Hyperbole laden claims of the sonic superiority of Magic Fuses abound around here, but I seriously doubt all of ’em, as do the vast majority of reasonable audiophiles and gear manufacturers..."thems just the facts," regardless of what many claim to perceive. |
I would like to mention to all on Fuse directional either the writing reading from Left to right or Arrow pointing once fuse is in the fuse holder the fuse Always follows Line or Hot the path of the signal ,very easy if your ground pin- the single pin in outlet is facing the bottom then your Arrow goes to the left, just the opposite if fuse holder is placed upside down which my Lampidac is ,as well as amp,and to enhance signal further on All your equipment contacts, the Furutech Nonofluid Gold,Silver particles is excellent ,,takes several weeks to finally cure but for sure works. i order on Ebay straight from Japan and pay the expedited shipping $14 -$114 total and save $65 from US sellers. For those who want to extract the most out of their system . |
Buy cheap but functional receiver or integrated amp with speaker fuses on the circuit board ( very common ) load her up with resistive load run music thru, full range stuff shine flashlight on el cheapo buss, etc fuse and watch wire dance.... repeat with X brand high end fuse.... learned this in like 1983.... my Magnepans and Hafler never the same.... |
I will keep stirring.... My new SMc amps came with SR Blue fuses. I could have had Orange but after some discussion it was thought the Blues would be more synergistic (pun intended) with my sonic preferences and the voicing of the amps. They did have high respect for both the Orange and Blue fuses and said that maybe I should try the Orange sometime. The amps sound great but I have no idea whether it has anything to do with fuses. |
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I’d opine we actually don’t talk much about engineering, how to make things. What we mostly talk about is how things work, which is PHYSICS, either applied physics or theoretical physics. I include electronics in this category. Much discussion is related to how CDs work, how fuses work, cables, tweaks, what is the audio signal, etc. Things of that nature. Is it still OK base buying decisions on how things sound? 😳 |
This forum deals with science in most cases, as we deal with the exploration of the undefined and noted phenomena. Talking about science is not science. Anybody can do it. Engineering applies science to make things that work. Relatively few can do that. Products based solely on talking about science are based solely on conjecture. Just saying. People have to make their buying decisions based on something. |
If so, someone should tell them we’re all a bunch of heretics, science be damned, and their charms, their wit, their animosity, and their vast catalogue of knowledge has no chance with the likes of us. Just sayin, kinda thing: Engineering and science are absolutely not the same thing. This forum deals with science in most cases, as we deal with the exploration of the undefined and noted phenomena. Yes, that is science, if logic rigor is utilized in the act of exploring phenomena. The logic pattern, method, components thereof, etc... can take time to show itself, re the given issue at hand. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Engineering is for AFTER science, where engineering is used in a dogmatic manner to build things from established methodologies. The two can and do intermix but the fundamental has to be known and noted at all times, otherwise we get the Spanish inquisition from an engineering minded person..... for an act that involves science and exploration. |
I recently bought the New Synergistic Orange fuse and as good as the blue fuse was this defines the performance even better. These SQ fuses what is the brand, and what is differen5 about them, and most importantly how much do they cost ? there's no reason why a fuse should be costing $150+ . Hifi tuning supreme fuses are $75 that sounds much more reasonable and still night and day better sounding then the noisy resistance bottleneck stock steel fuses. |