Something For The Fuse Guys ...

teo_audio

But I don’t expect you to be around to eat it. 

In my experience...the naysayers always cut and run when proven wrong.

>>>>>You underestimate the tenacity and shamelessness of fuse troll no. 1. 🐺 

Do any audiophile fuses use 100% copper conductive elements? One wonders.

“HiFi Tuning has long been a fan of Germany’s legendary Mundorf capacitors. Revered in audiophile circles for creating gorgeous sounding no-compromise capacitors which grace some of the world’s best electronic designs, Mundorf capacitors are built using a special conductive material. Ultra-pure silver is impregnated with gold creating a material with gobs of resolution and golden warmth; glorious tonal color with truly outstanding dynamic shading, essentially the best of both gold and silver and absolutely no compromise. Each Supreme fuse uses this special material for its end-caps and conductive filament and pure silver solder connects everything. Inside the ceramic casing, Supreme fuses further distinguish themselves by receiving proprietary resonance and quantum treatments.”

mitch2,

You forgot cryogenic treatment and the “heat treatment” for directionality, whatever that is. to whit,

“X Fuse fuses are directional. Their directionality must be set after 12 hours of heating by reversing the fuse in a socket. After the direction is set, the fuse is going to “adjust” for about 50 hours.”

You said, “other than the conductor and silver plated end caps.” Only the conductor and end caps? That’s gold, Jerry, gold! 🤗

More X Fuse info,

”As our team at Verictum mainly consists of demanding “long-term” audiophiles, we had personally used higher standard, very good fuses available on the market. However, we had always felt that it was possible to do more in this field, to do it in a different way and obtain even better-quality sound. We decided to investigate this matter further and create a fuse that would be optimal for us. As it eventually appeared, our work let us achieve spectacular results. This is how the first Polish audiophile fuse called X Fuse was created.

X Fuse is a ceramic fuse. The conductor inside is covered with quartz sand that damps its vibrations very well, but its main function is to extinguish the electrical arc which occurs at a short circuit. The conductor of the fuse is made of silver-plated copper. The contacts of the fuse themselves are not nickel-plated, but covered with a thick layer of silver. After many hours of cryogenic freezing adjusted appropriately to X Fuse, fuse contacts are hand-polished using jewelry equipment – each fuse is polished in this way. Next, the contacts are carefully cleaned manually, using an isopropyl alcohol-based cleaning agent. Thanks to this, the purchaser does not additionally have to degrease the surface of fuse contacts. Since the fuse wire itself is protected inside against vibration by quartz, we decided to damp vibrations of the ceramic housing, too, using properly prepared multi-layer covering, to isolate our fuse as effectively as possible from this type of phenomena and unwanted distortion. The whole manual process of preparing one X Fuse lasts almost 60 minutes.

X Fuse fuses are directional. Their directionality must be set after 12 hours of heating by reversing the fuse in a socket. After the direction is set, the fuse is going to “adjust” for about 50 hours.”

Everything’s topsy turvy, Georgie Boy. Me topsy, you turvy. George George George of the jungle, look out for that tree!

Actually, as it turns out I’m your exact opposite, Wolfman. I know everything. 

Uber awakes from a ______  (fill in the blank) 🤗

Pinhead no. 3 checks in. 😳 I’m pretty sure moopman lives down the street from jitter since they frequently post together. Georgie Boy doesn’t even know the difference between AC and DC which is Ironic since he thinks he’s god’s gift to electronics. Nobody can accuse me of shooting fish in a barrel.

I was only thinking “thick as a brick” that time. Bingo!  Two show up right on cue. 

Wow, all I have to do is say the magic words, thick as a brick, and George pops up. Am I psychic or what? I have explained many times right here on these forums why fuses and all wire are directional in AC circuits including the power cords. It’s not rocket science. Besides, are all cables and fuses in the audio system in AC circuits? Did I miss one? 🤗

Yeah, right. I guess the 50,000 who had good luck with fuses don’t quite have the hearing you and Wolfie do. 🤗

Wolfie, let me ask you a direct question. Are you pretending to be dense or are you really that dense? Because if you’re pretending you’re doing an excellent job. It’s no wonder you keep asking the same question over and over again.

Pop Quiz! Wolfie cannot hear the difference between a stock $1 fuse and an advanced audiophile fuse. Yet 50,000 others do hear the difference. What does that tell you? I know what Wolfie is thinking, "But my system sounds fabulous!"

Quick answer to Wolfman question: All wire is directional, but printed circuit board traces are formed from thin copper sheets, which are not directional. However all wire in an electrical component IS directional including but not limited to wire in resistors, transformers, fuses, capacitors, inductors, point-to-point wiring and ribbon connectors. The connecting cables are also directional - digital cable, interconnects, HDMI cable, etc. Alias, electronics manufacturers never got the memo on directionality, and are still hyper-focused on circuits.

One down, 599 to go. 

I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. 

I’d opine we actually don’t talk much about engineering, how to make things. What we mostly talk about is how things work, which is PHYSICS, either applied physics or theoretical physics. I include electronics in this category. Much discussion is related to how CDs work, how fuses work, cables, tweaks, what is the audio signal, etc. Things of that nature. Is it still OK base buying decisions on how things sound? 😳

He was a grocery clerk sent to collect a bill. But seriously, he was sent from the future. He is an old enemy of mine there, in the future, part of an underground Pseudo Skeptic society. I only come back here for the jokes. One of the risks of the job. Fortunately, my jokes still hold up even without the straight guy’s lines. 😛

I’m genuinely sorry to see him go. 😥 He was the best straight man a comedian could hope for. Better than Dean Martin. It’s funny. As a kid when I would tell people I was going to be a comedian they all laughed at me. Well, no one’s laughing now!

Hey, moopman, just curious, is your 🍑 itchier than usual today? School. As a kid my mom would say I should enjoy it ‘cause one day I’d have to work for a living. I said, No, I won’t, ma. I’m going to be an audiophile. 🤡

All of his posts are essentially the same. “I’m so smart everything I say must be correct.” “Evidence is the same as proof.” Give is a break. Gee, I always assumed his name was tin can. You know, as in kicking a tin can down the street. 🤡 I’m on a roll today. Better look out!

Re-typing a long comment that was just deleted by the Mods might not be the best strategy in this particular case but let’s wait and see what happens. 🤡 But let me help you out with a few phrases you can use,

”As everybody knows...”

”There is no debate among those who know such things...”

”I can find no evidence anywhere that disputes what I said.”

”I am an expert therefore I’m right.”

Those who don’t learn the lessons of the past oft repeat the same mistakes. - Confucius

Was that a self deletion I just saw? Oh, my!

Kudos to analgloober for writing an almost grammatically correct sentence. I’m not worried about him correcting the sentence because he doesn’t know what grammatically means.

Imagine, people accuse me of shooting fish in a barrel. 🐟 🐠 🐠 

Hey, thanks roberttcan! That’s might decent of ya! I’m giving serious consideration to putting you on the payroll. Maybe as a Junior Shill.

georgehifi
It’s a counter measure, to BS on $150 mains fuses.

I urge those here to use it and pass it on and post it up, every time BS is presented on the sound of AC mains fuses and their installed direction
@analogluvr roberttcan pass this on

>>>>>If one listens to George’s advice on fuses then the logical next step is to ignore power cords. Ignore their construction, their purity of conductor, quality of their connectors, whether they are solid core or stranded and their directionality. We should also ignore wall outlets and wall outlet covers, if we listen to George. Conclusion: don’t listen to George.

roberttcan
5) Paul at PS audio while not as bad as many, is not overly technical and is not known for the technical honestly of his communication.

>>>That’s an excellent example of how pseudo skeptics, when they run out of legitimate arguments, stoop to using such old fake arguments as calling the opponent dishonest. Ad hominem attacks frequently pop up in these threads. Others are even worse than Paul at PS Audio? OMG! 😩

roberttcan
2) There is no discussion of what fuse they used. Obviously not understanding fuses at the time means they may have picked a poor one with high resistance or more likely running too hard and they got excessive resistance and thermal modulation.

>>>>>But as you yourself already pointed out, and very astutely, there are extremely small differences among the fuses measured for resistance. So you’re obviously grasping at straws. What a load of horse man knew her!

roberttcan
3) It could have had something to do with how they put the fuse into the system, the fuse-holder, etc.

>>>No, sorry, we’ve already shown the fuse holder to be wishful thinking - a RED HERRING - on the part of overly enthusiastic pseudo skeptics. Just grasping at straws. If it was the fuse holder causing the problem, e.g., imperfections, oxidation, etc. it would be repeatable and transferrable, which it’s not. It’s random. Whereas fuses themselves, including their directionality, are repeatable and transferrable.

Testing of fuses is performed without the fuse holder, by the way. Make sense? Having said that some fuse holders are better than others. The Acme Audio silver plated fuse holders, which I’ve used in the past, are excellent and sound better than your stock everyday fuse holder. Are fuse holders directional. Are connectors directional? So many questions. So little time. 🤡

Snake oil is the lubricant that greases the tracks of the train of progress. All aboard! Toot! Toot! 🚂 Remember what the Little Engine that Could said, “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can!” 🤗

George, George, George of the Jungle, look out for that tree!! 🤕

I thought he was excellent in Lawrence of Arabia.

Hey, I’ve got an idea. Ask him if he wants you to loan him one. See what he says. 

You probably have a statue of him on your nightstand.

Even mildly uh, retrograde people can make a video. Give me a break, analgloober!

Actually, I’m not very surprised you could not hear any difference between fuses. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, wouldn’t you say? Or were you more open-minded back then? 😛

Whoa! That didn’t take long. Did I strike a nerve? 😬

It’s what always happens with these pseudo skeptics, there are only so many logical arguments one can make against fuses making a difference and why aftermarket fuses are better sonically than stock Littelfuse or Busmann fuses. After that they turn to ridiculous claims that are mostly bloviation and illogical arguments. Plus they tend to feel frustrated and trapped, hence all the silly behavior. It’s always the same. “You’re delusional, you’re crazy, you can’t pass a controlled double blind test, yadda yadda yadda.” The leopard always comes to the table with the same spots. 🐆

For a high that will knock your socks off try drinking six Guinness Stouts as fast as you can sometime. 

The trouble I have with seeing Miles and the whole gang in the room is that I’m afraid it might be when nothing is playing. 🤪

Pseudo skeptics have been using religion, expectation bias, placebo effect, holistic or alternative medicine, mass hallucination, subliminal messages, UFOs, alternative medicine, Wine tasting, pharma double-blind testing and other ridiculous examples to try to debunk audiophile devices like fuses, wire directionality, and many other controversial things for years. You can’t debunk something that’s not bunk. Are you an escapee from Randi’s Education Foundation? 

At least my estimated number of fancy fuses sold continues to go up. 🤡

Your examples make no sense in the context of audio. No offense intended. In fact your examples are excellent examples of logical fallacies. 

With around 100,000 fancy audiophile fuses sold in the last fifteen years it’s highly improbable that they are a hoax or that expectation bias or any other psychological explanation is to blame. There is an ever increasing chasm between the high end and the average guy in the street. 

News flash! 💥 Exhibitors at audio shows do not (rpt not) employ tweaks. They eschew them. Maybe a few that I’m aware of use tweaks to any extent, but most prefer to exhibit brand new components. Are they still living in the 80s? The only ones who went out of their way to tweak their systems were John Curl/Bob Crump, Mapleshade and Golden Sound. If there is one manufacturer who uses aftermarket fuses, it is not a trend, it’s an outlier. One well-known German audio company (starts with a B) told the intrepid roving tweakmeister, Clark Johnsen, who was trying to get them to try out some new fangled CD treatment (was it Optrix?) - “Vee don’t believe in tweaks.” One well-known audio salon in Northern Virginia once opined, “We want our customers to experience the pure sound of our components, so we don’t use tweaks.” We’ll, that’s just super! 🙄

That’s so cute. The mouse timidly taunts the rattlesnake. 🤡

Amp manufacturers have too much to lose by being wrapped around the axle with a snake oil controversy. 🐍 If they are even aware of it which they probably aren’t. More than anyone else, amp designers are from the “good solid engineering principles” side of the street. They don’t need the hassle. The last thing in the world they want to do is get involved with the fancy fuse rumpus, or the power cord rumpus or the wire directionality 🔛 rumpus. They have too much on the line.

Also, as I’ve oft opined, even if you’re a real cheapskate or hard-core non-believer, you can get that 5% boost by simply flipping the stock fuse you’re currently using around. 🔜 There is a risk, obviously, that you may experience a 5% drop in SQ instead.  🤡 As Bob Dylan says at the end of all his albums, good luck everybody! 

Good question. No, actually they’re just like you. They’ve never heard of audiophile fuses, either.

George? Do I win a prize? 

I’m curious, has anyone ever burned his house down because of a faulty fuse? Has any amplifier every blown up 💥 because of a faulty fuse? Has a house ever burned down 🔥 or amp blown up because someone bypassed a fuse? 

The sky sky is falling! The sky is falling! - Chicken Little 🐔

oregonpapa OP
geoffkait ...

• This explains why cleaning or using contact enhancer on the refrigerator power plug is audible. Duh!

I pasted my refrigerator plug with TC. Same with the TV. And any unused outlets have a "Stop It" inserted into it.

>>>>All appliances, computers, floor lamps, air purifiers, etc. in the house should get the treatment. All unused outlets in the house should get the treatment. 

Send in the clowns! 🤡

Lawyer joke:

What do you call a lawyer who’s up to his neck in concrete?
Not enough concrete.

🤗

The only way the refrigerator would not be “part of the audio signal” is if the audio system was on a dedicated circuit. This explains why cleaning or using contact enhancer on the refrigerator power plug is audible. Duh!