Some tube amps have auto-basing. Some are very easily adjustable. Some like ARC require a great deal of skill and lots of patience. Read up on them. Does not necessarily cost any $$. In some cases you might need a multimeter which can be had for as little as $6.00 on ebay. Some amps hold bias better than others. For the most part it's not that difficult. Easier than maintaining set up on a Linn LP 12 ;-). |
"Even a cheap system should image and play depth. More has to do with setup (not just placement of the speakers in the room) than anything else"
When I read this nonsense you don't understand audio.
Just sitting here shaking my head at what is probably the most laughable single line comment ever on A'gon. |
This is getting pathetic. So what that people don't agree on the fine details and specifics. Maybe to a degree what everyone is adding, in their experience, is the truth. I know that there is truth to what everyone has added. An inexpensive system....With the right set up....with the right room treatment....playing the right source .....can image like just fine. I could put together a sub $2000 system that could do that. I would have to by thrifty and used.....but I could also spend mega dollars and have that system for lunch in the imaging department...As long as set up, room and source was maximized. Control these 3 variables and you can get more with wise equipment choices and more money....but there does come a point of diminishing returns.
Everyone has what they believe to be the best advice. So be it. My point with source was made....not too many people seemed to care much about that and continued to make recommendations without asking the op what specifically he listens to, e.g. name 10 of your most frequently played albums. You might find that we are trying to turn grape juice into wine....or maybe not.
In any regard, lighten up...let folks speak their minds or defend their own point. Don't take it so personally that someone's wording and opinion is not of your liking. There are many shades of grey. This is a hobby and should not degenerate into such pettiness. |
I don't know what a person talks about depth. I visit people all the time. And believe me most do not have a lot of depth at all. Speakers placed from the wall will not give them a lot more depth. It has to do with the properties of the stuff they own. |
It has to do with the properties of the stuff they own.
Bo, you continue to enlighten us with such profound contributions. Realremo, a major game changer would be along the lines of Atmasphere's recommendations ..try to get into tubes. And for me this always has started at the line stage. Getting into tube amps would be something for later as this requires more maintenance. A handful of line stage / preamp products from the past are in the $1k range and any of these would be a major jump in 3D performance for you: Counterpoint SA-5 - Absolute killer preamp from the 80s. Way ahead of its time. The tube regulated power supply has much to do with this unit's midrange and 3D magic. CJ Premier 10 or even the remote 14 - Line stages from the 90s. A bit on the "warm" side but oh such musicality magic as well. MFA Magus - Another tube line stage from the 80s. Something to keep your eyes out. I only ever heard the bigger brother Luminescence which was a phenomenal performer. Wow. So I suspect some of the magic here got trickled down to the Magus. CJ Motif MC-7 or other MC models. - These for Conrad Johnson's solid state preamps from the 80s for those not wanting the "fuss" with tubes. I owned this for awhile recently as part of a second smaller as was very impressed with how it outperforms so many new products today which sound very dimensionally flat in comparison. BAT VK-3 series - Might be able to find this around $1k. Another great product from the 90s. The one product which gets much talk is the Audible Illusions but this was very dimensionally flat when I compared it back in the 1990s. Just an FYI. As for XLR connections, do not even worry about this. Your system is at a level of cost and performance where your focus should be to find budget products that standout from the crowd. And likely they will not have XLR connections. And if they do, the likeliness of them being truly balanced designs are slim to nil. Once you iron this out, there are many many outstanding tube amps from the 80s and maybe newer in the $1k range that would take your system to the next level of 3D. But I suggest that you start at the preamp level. |
In what kind of time do you life......keep on dreaming!!
what an amature!! |
Ding-ding-ding!!! We have a winner!!!
Bo, you have now crossed the threshold from which there is no return. It is now apparent to even the casual observer that you are, in fact, quite rude! It is also obvious that you intended to talk out of your backside when commenting to Atmasphere and now Jafox. Its not important to me that we know why you are stubborn, rude and inflexible, only to publicly call you out on it. Any potential customer of yours should recognize these terminal traits and cautiously proceed with you at their own risk.
There are only a few certainties in this world and among them is the absolute unliklihood that you would ever be considered as a dealer by Atmasphere. |
Realremo - If you have the time, something else to experiment with would be
moving the speakers closer together...on the order of 5-6 ft. center to center.
[Haven't tried to do the math on your room relative to latest recommendations
on distance to sidewalls - these might already get them in the range of 5-6 ft
center to center. For Totem Forests, moving them closer together made a HUGE
difference. Much better bass response, center fill, imaging and resolution. I
realize all speakers will not respond the same but seems like it might be worth
trying if current placement is otherwise.
Edit to post...I've been following this thread but missed Geoffkait's 7-10
recommendation. I agree with him about trying speakers closer together.
Soundstage won't necessarily shrink as you might find the stage to extend well
beyond the outside edge of each speaker. Good luck. |
One thing that has been bugging me about this thread seems worth pursuing. Realremo- have you tried revearsing the phase on one of your speakers?
If you have the speakers out of phase (which can happen for a variety of reasons) the imaging information will seem confused, and a lot of it might seem to sit in the speakers.
If this has not been tried it might be worth a test to see if this is an issue. If its not, then I would be satisfied that its time for the pursuit of equipment known for better imaging/depth.
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Audio is all about properties. Togheter they make the stage
including the acoustics.
You use a MF converter. MF also gives a wide and sharp
focus. But is still limited in depth. This is a property it
owns. I sold MF for a long time. I also gave MF shows for
the distributer in my country.
You say: I have a wide stage, but not a lot of depth.
Rotel has similar properties in stage like MF. It is a
little less sharp compared to MF, almost no depth.
The Quad L series do not use the best crossovers to give you
a lot of depth compared to other brands who can in this
price tag.
To get a good deep stage, you need more parts to realize
it. |
I wish there was an individual block from view setting that I could implement on Audiogon that would save me from anything Bo Bo posts. Like hitting the mute button when the neo-cons open their mouths. Tom |
Keep on tweaking tom..... |
I will continue like energy always in search of ground. Tom |
In what kind of time do you life......keep on dreaming!! I guess this was directed at me for my recommendation of $1k products from 20+ years ago. And why did I recommend these products? Remember the budget is $900-1200 and these products stood out at the time as the top performers; finding something new today for this cost that can compete here, would be quite a miracle. A low-fi $1k Rotel product will be easily destroyed by any of the products above. what an amateur!! Thanks again for you response, but my system as can be seen by all, which has slowly evolved since the mid 1970s, would indicate I am not really an amateur. I clearly don't have the breadth of knowledge of component design such as Atmasphere, Steve Nugent of Empirical, Almarg, or a number of other major contributors here. And I am not a system setup wizard like AlbertPorter, Jadem6, Tbg, or other major contributors here as well. But I feel I am at least in the middle somewhere, thank you. Bo, before you attack people here, you should do a little research on them first .or you make yourself quite the fool in front of everyone. One thing that has been bugging me about this thread seems worth pursuing. Realremo- have you tried revearsing the phase on one of your speakers? Wow, great great catch here. The effect here is very clearly heard that something is wrong when the images are all outside the speaker boundaries rather than within. It's quite a wild and cool sound effect! |
Tom, I kind of enjoy waiting for the next pronouncement from Bo....I just sit back amazed that some things are actually considered by some people to be normal behavior. He actually thinks he's being profound in each of his posts although I also point out that there are certain unexplainable things that just occur in nature with no logical explanation. Bo may be single handedly killing the bricks and mortar business model in his homeland. I'll bet if he went back and researched his sales volumes, there would be sales spikes that perfectly correlate with his absence on those days.
I'm sure Bo means well but his abject arrogance ticks me off. Until Bo apoligizes to Atmasphere for Bo's completely idiotic dismissal of Atmasphere's earlier advice in this thread to the original poster, I plan on calling his BS on everything however if he accidentally provides some amazing piece of insight, I will give credit where credit is due. I'm not holding my breath. |
Jafox great recommendations for preamps on a budget! You are absolutely right I'm sure many of the vintage tube pres from ARC, CJ maybe even an older CAT would be a great alternative to many of the current budget alternatives. It this turns out to be the issue. Something to consider Realremo. Life is short and any audiophile or music lover should at least TRY some manner of tube product before the inevitable. A vintage tube pre-amp is a no brainer. Almost impossible to lose on and better than ANY of the cheap alternative options within your budget. Oh that Luminescence is a nice piece of gear for sure! |
I think my DAC actually inverts phase, I think I read that somewhere. So to invert phase - I swap the output cables coming out of the DAC, right? Or do I swap the speaker cables at the speaker end? Or does it matter?
My only concern with vintage tube gear is maintenance. Where can I get that stuff serviced?
I am interested enough in tubes to definitely try them. I have a lot of research to do to familiarize myself with the different brands.
@ Raymonda: Wild Beasts, Proem, Coldplay, Bola, Coppice Halifax, Muslimgauze, Fuck Buttons, Miles' Birth of the Cool, Yeasayer, Demdike Stare, Andy Stott, The Berlin Philharmonic's recording of Holst's Planets, Amon Tobin, Haxon Cloak, various Beethoven symphonies conducted by Karajan, James Blake, numerous Hans Zimmer soundtracks, Moderat, Om, Love and Rockets and even Vampire Weekend, I consider all of these to be high-quality level recordings or artists who produce them. |
Realremo - Atmasphere's comment related to the speakers themselves being out of phase not the musical signal itself. Make sure the + and - from the power amp goes to the + and - to the speakers. If one is incorrect, then the images will be outside of the speakers rather then in between them.
Concerning the signal itself being inverted, you could resolve this by inverting the speaker cables at both speakers .but I don't think you will notice much here. I had a DAC with an invert switch and I could flip it again and again and no way would I ever pass a blind test that anything was changing.
Concerning repair of vintage electronics, there are such repair places all over the country. And people here would be able to point you in the right place with a simple query. Some of the companies in my list, CJ, BAT are still in business.
Tubegroover - You will notice that I had no ARC products in my list. And this is because, for me anyway, the ARC magic starts with the SP-8, and this typically sells in the $1500-1900 range which is outside of the budget here. |
A suggestion that won't cost a dime: Move your speakers further apart and/or bring them out into the room some more. Also, experiment with more drastic toe in once you've spread them apart. You may be surprised..... |
Realremo, no worrries, mate, there's a very good chance the next CD you play is also inverted phase, so it all evens out. Always look on the bright side. |
Realremo, to check to see if your speakers are in phase, you simply reverse the connections on the back of **one speaker only** - not both.
If this works, you will immediately notice greater center fill and sharp images between the speakers. If it does not work, the images will become more diffuse.
Regarding tube equipment reliability: tube amps and preamps are usually fairly reliable- some more so than transistor equipment- it depends a lot on the manufacturer. The issue is the tubes themselves, which are considered user-replaceable, which is why they are in sockets. When a tube goes bad, quite often it will tell you about itself :) So you don't have to send the product somewhere to get serviced, you simply replace the tube and you are down the road. If it were any other way it would not be possible for tube equipment manufacturers to be in business for decades at a time!
Its important to distinguish between the reliability of the chassis as opposed to that of the tubes. For example in our amplifiers if a tube fails it will not damage the amplifier (although it could blow a fuse); our amps are stable enough that I have a demonstration I do at audio shows where I remove power tubes from the amp while it is playing music. You don't hear any change- the amp continues to play as if nothing happened. Now not all tube amps are like that but OTOH its not really important- they will hold up just fine, hence the existence of used tube amps that are heavily sought after 50 years after they were made!!
IOW don't worry about the reliability. Right now it seems you have bigger fish to fry. Keep us informed of your progress. |
So interesting things happened last night. I found the right
speaker was out of position a few inches, so I fiddled with
it using a tape measure. Now I have both of them about 28
inches from the back and side walls. There is about 6 feet
between them and I sit 8 feet from either speaker. Imaging
returned, soundstage grew in width and height, but still
hovers around the speakers.
I listened for about 2 hours, enjoying the improvement my
tweaks gave, then I tried inverting the phase on the left
speaker. The soundstage wrapped around my left shoulder and
behind me. I was pretty stunned at the difference this made.
Later I listened with only the right speaker out of phase,
the center of the image traveled out from between the
speakers and sat just right of center in the room.
I used to have my system on the long wall of the room, I
swapped it to the short wall earlier this year, to get a
little more distance between the listening position and the
speakers. The imaging and soundstage I had on the long wall
was lost. I have been chasing that sound ever since, I think
now I know that one speaker was hooked up out of phase on
the long wall, accidentally. This actually sounds really
nice for certain electronic music, but it makes tracks with
vocals sound a little strange. Haven't tried classical with
this yet.
So, no one hooks up one speaker out of phase on purpose, do
they? This is an incorrect hook-up, right? |
Having one speaker out of phase with the other will result in loss of soundstage, poor center fill, reduced bass and overall lack of dynamic punch as the speakers are literally fighting each other.
If you hook one speaker up out of phase, the more phase linear your equipment is, the more the sounds will sit in the speakers. The center will be very diffuse.
Some equipment that struggles with phase shift problems will give you some very odd effects when you put one channel out of phase.
To get low phase shift the equipment has to have wide bandwidth. Our ears don't hear phase shift at all with a single tone, but they can detect phase shift problems over a band of frequencies. If your equipment has low phase shift, you will get a better soundstage as a lot of the soundstage information is presented in the form of shifted phases at various frequencies depending on the room in which the recording was made.
Sometimes bass is tricky to hear on some systems so to test for phasing I select a recording that has a vocalist positioned dead center in the recording. Then I can listen for bass and center-fill. |
Bo1972 has been conspicuously absent from Audiogon. I hope he is ok and not just sitting in the corner of a room in self imposed exile upon discovering that he he arrogantly scolded a world class audio designer by accident.
Bo, show some character and post your apology to Atmasphere. Sure, your carefully fabricated expertise on all things audio has taken a hit in this community but running away from your mistake isnt the way to restore it. Simply say you were wrong, everyone will say "cool" and then you can go back to posting positive reviews of products you sell without full disclosure. |
3 dimensionality is the land of the high priced spread. Surely your room can be treated, your power cords can be improved, but you will get incremental improvements.... Not until you get good (expensive) components will you achieve your goals. |
I hope everyone is appreciating what happened here. The original was what could improve soundstage/imaging more. Shortly thereafter were many suggestions for room correction and reposititioning the speakers. To me, this should have been the first things done. My opinion is to avoid spending money and try to fix the problem by trying solutions that may actually center around room and speaker placement. However, I did notice many posts suggesting replacement of equipment. I see that often and find it very curious. Upgrade your equipment first. Why? I do know that eventually one reaches a level of refinement in sound reproduction that can only be exceeded by better equipment. But, that should'nt be the first level necessary to achieve what the original member wanted fixed. how many times have we had a simple problem to fix and someone suggested spending ungodly sums of money to fix it, when a more simple less expensive (or no cost) alternative existed? Some speakers are so directional that small adjustments in position will result in major changes in dimentionality, sound stage and imaging. Leave the speakers where they were and upgrade to much "better" more expensive equipment and guess what? The imaging and sound stage will still be off. And then you'll have a really pissed off member that came out of pocket unnecessarily. Atmasphere's suggetion was spot on. No cost and actually fixed the problem. This level of correspondence went from speaker placement, to new more expensive equipment, including the age old tube vs solid state undying discussion, to insults and finally to phase correction. Wow! I have to tell you I found the many responses very interesting, technically speaking. The insults back and forth were totally unnecessary. But many totally ignored the original problem as described by the OP. I like that there exist people like Atmasphere, Mapman and others, including Bo1972 that actually came up with viable suggestions. Again, the insults I could do without. But arguments are a two way street. One cannot argue by him/her self. Well, they could but it would be really strange. Also, initially, I didn't interprete Bo1972's posts to be insulting at all. When some did interprete them that way and went after him, that is when it got really ugly. I would like to see one thing in analysis of systems and sound. We speak much about dimensionality, imaging, 3d effect, etc. I would like to see a list of recordings that eveyone agrees exhibit those qualities and therefore, when one does not hear those qualities when being played back on their system, we have a reference to determine if it is the recording or the equipment or even speaker placement or phasing. Realremo stated that he/she possessed recordings that demonstrated those qualities. Would you be so kind as to list a few? I would very much like to experiement to see if I can hear those on my system. I'm finding that many of my digital recordings played back on my system lack real dimensionality. It has been a gradual lessening, but I am noticing it. I'm not really happy with my Audio Research PH5 phono stage and therefore, record playback isn't making me smile as it used to. I think an upgrade to a better phono stage is in the works. However, what digital recording can one offer that has good dimensionality and imaging? I think I do need some good reference material to start with.
Thank all, and do enjoy |
All my brain tissue and nerve endings tell me that when I am at a live music venue that I don't see and hear the depth of field that sometimes is played back in my home. With all my latest devices and resonance grounding methods I see and hear a giant sound stage in fact sometimes I am inside the shroud of music. I can see the other side and sometimes I hear a layer of depth but I cannot remember hearing depth at any live event unless I was walking thru an access tunnel or in a seat that I wish I wasn't. Tom |
Before you go out and spend $$ on replacing equipment, give some consideration to room treatment. I was going to replace my beloved B&W N804s because they were sounding harsh in my new, but small listening room. It was extremely frustrating since they sounded great in my old, larger room. As a last ditch effort, I figured it coukd be the room itself. So, I called GIK Acoustics and sent them pictures of my room. As it turns out, room reflections were the source of the problem. For a little over $1K, I was able to get great sound and not spend a sh*tload of $$ on new equipment. Treating your room is AS important as the components you use. Trust me on this one. |
Realrmo, you need to settle down and wait patently for your room treatments to show up from Foam Factory, it took about a month for mine to arrive.
Don't be spending money before you get to play around with the treatments, I found them to solve most of my issues.
Noone has mentioned the golden ratio...listening position should be equal distance from the speakers (equalaterial triangle I beleive is the math term for it)
I also have found for some reason that upgrading the amp power cord widened the soundstage, and also made it deeper, don't ask me, I cannot explain it in any terms that would sound scientific.
I have a Parsaound 7100 processor with Focal Profile 938 and it was a wonderful wide soundstage (I recall you were considering the Focal) |
Room treatment is so hard to get right, and most of the time they are really ugly. But, I think I will try the GIK Acoustics suggestion just to hear what they have to say. Good idea.
enjoy |
To everyone: thanks for the posts. And I'd like to note what I've taken from this thread:
room treatments and speaker positioning were mentioned up front, the positioning is something I've toyed with and will continue to toy with, and the room treatments aren't up yet but I'll report back when they are.
Don't discount the equipment suggestions, I've written that I want to try tubes and I cannot do that without some brand knowledge, I am well-researched in the world of solid state, but not tubes. I need manufacturer suggestions that have a record of great 3d sound and reliability.
All of the room treatments and speaker positioning will only get me so far, I know this, and I was able to fix some things with speaker adjustments of scant inches, which surprised me. But I still won't get to audio Nirvana with the Rotel, and maybe not the Halo P3 either. I've had the power amp for 4-5 years and I'm itching for an upgrade. I want to purchase something that will take the sound in the correct direction.
Sheesh this post is getting longer than I thought it would be.
Thanks to Atma Sphere for the phasing thing, I had the system hooked up wrong previously and now I know what was going on.
I'm STILL going to upgrade the amp or the pre or both! Maybe not soon, but it will happen...Thanks again everyone. |
Minorl: I think I understand the context of your request for titles of 'reference' recordings but I'd like to offer a slightly different perspective, FWIW. After years in what I would call an 'audiophile bubble,' listening to records that sounded good on my system, I decided to spend time and money on the best pressings of music i liked and wanted to listen to, rather than stuff that 'played the system best.' Granted, not all of these are sonic spectaculars, but, once your system is sorted, room, power, etc. (and it appears you have a pretty good system), so much comes down to the source material. In some cases, it is remasters, but in many, many cases, I'm listening to old records, particularly those made in the 60's and 70's. And, while the results are uneven, because not all of the music I like was well recorded in the first place, I'm really enjoying music, rather than focusing on how the system sounds. I guess I'd be remiss if I didn't include a couple of things (having no idea how the digital releases of these compare), but on vinyl:
Shelby Lynne -Just a Little Lovin' -Chad's re-do, not the standard issue. A sonic confection, thank Phil Ramone.
Janis Ian- Between the Lines- standard issue Columbia from the mid-70's; don't bother with the 180gram reissue- it doesn't sound as good as the record you can find in a bin for 5 bucks;
Hoodoo Man Blues- Chad's 45 cut, particularly "In the Wee Hours." You'll probably smell the cigarette smoke from the club like setting of this classic blues record.
Little Feat, Waiting for Columbus- just find a TML pressing and listen to the side with Dixie Chicken.
I could go on, but you get the idea. None of these are obscure, or particularly expensive on vinyl. |
Room acoustics are pretty ugly. Look into Vicoustic. It is the only product that I have found to have a decent sense of style to them. I use their absorption panels to treat the front wall behind my speakers. They have a lot of different products all of which look good to me. |
The problem for me with the Vicoustics product is that foam does not work very well for bass trapping. It looks great, but great "sound" is more important to me. After much research based on price, quality, and effectiveness, I determined that GIK was best for my needs. I am very happy with my choice and recommend GIK highly. I, too, thought that it was difficult to get room treatment "right," particularly in a room with crappy dimensions of 10x10x8. It CAN be done with proper guidance. I have no affiliation with GIK, I am just a very satisfied customer, and am grateful that I did not have to spend mega bucks to achieve the wonderful sound I have currently. That being said, room treatment is not a panacea, and it may wind up that new equipment is in your future ... as someone who had a Rotel amp briefly, I can tell you that I found it grainy and unmusical. That's why I had it briefly. However, I think that room treatment is essential regardless of equipment ... Even the best, most expensive equipment, can sound like crap in a poorly treated or untreated room. Just go to a major audio show held in a bunch of hotel rooms and hear for yourself. |
I'll post some of my reference digital tracks later this week, might not get a moment in the listening room for a while. Kids, work, wife, etc etc etc |
Rlb61, I agree with you about Vicoustic and bass trapping which is why I dont use them for that purpose. I am considering RealTraps or GIK now. My room is very similar in dimension to your except that my ceiling is 9 ft and the wall behind the listening position is open to the family room and kitchen. What other treatments do you have? After bass trapping I am going to treat the first reflection points on the side and the ceiling with Vicoustic Cinema Round panels. |
Tboooe - I have 4 tri-traps (2 on each front corner stacked floor to ceiling), 2 244s (one behind each speaker), 1 Monster Bass Trap directly behind my listening chair, and 4 spot panels (2 on each wall) to hit first reflection points. Having a crappy, square room with an alcove right behind the listening position sucked big time ... but the GIK products have fixed that essentially, and I am quite pleased with the sound. |
Bobnegi, my listening position is placed per goldern triangle, and don't tell me to settle down, I'll spend my money how I like. |
Rlb61, you say you have an alcove behind the listening position? So is your room 10x10 not including the alcove? |
Tboooe - I screwed up the numbers ... it is actually 12x12x8, including the alcove. Still haven't had my first cup of coffee this morning; in any event, it's a square box. |
Rlb61, thank you. So your room is a lot like mine except the ceiling and opening behind the listening position of my room. given your ceiling height did you consider any panels up there? What about your floor? Do you use a rug?
BTW, are you on the west coast? Its still kind of early out here. I am in Socal. |
Realremo, now that you have sorted out that phase was a problem, it is worth it to play with the speaker placement again to get better results. If you were doing that with one speaker out of phase, the speakers will not be placed correctly.
Have fun!! |
Thanks Whart and Realremo for your music suggestions. I'm on it.
enjoy
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Atmasphere, The right speaker was out of place because of several re-alignments due to impromptu visits from friends, auditioning Sky ICs vs my current King Cobras. I re-positioned the speakers last Sat night, using a tape measure from the seating position and side/back walls, and this was previous to the phase experiments. Imaging improved, and the late-night phase swaps tell me that when I had the speakers on the long wall earlier this year, they were hooked up out-of-phase. Having moved them months ago to the short wall to get better distance from the speakers, the hook up was phase-correct, so I was hearing a totally different (...and correct) soundstage compared to the previous setup.
Even with all these improvements, the image still hovers around the speakers, it's wide but there is not much depth to it. Future experiments will include both sound treatments *and equipment upgrades*...my timelines are measured in months and years, not days and weeks, gentlemen. |
Tboooe - I'm in NY. I didn't put anything on the ceiling as I thought it would deaden the room way too much. Right now, I have the non - fatiguing sound I want, with just a bit of liveliness. Also, toeing in my speakers essentially eliminated certain ceiling reflections. As for a rug, I have wall to wall carpeting, so the floor is taken care of. |
Minorl - a few quick ones that are in constant rotation on my system, I doubt many here have heard of these artists (mostly ambient and IDM here, be warned):
"Tesseract Redux" from Coppice Halifax's Outward residence
"Devil and the Deed" from Yeasayer's Fragrant World
"Terraforming" from Hans Zimmer's Man of Steel soundtrack
"Numb" from Andy Stott's Luxury Problems
"Bardo Thodol" from Demdike Stare's Tryptych (Disc 2)
"Place Gun To Head Airlines" From Proem's You Shall Have Ever Been (Disc 2)
"Lawk" from Funkarma's Solid State |
Sorry to offend you with my settle down comment, what I meant was that you should wait for the treatments to arrive before buying new gear, that is all...most of us, myself included are a fairly impatient bunch. Your timelines are measured in months and years, I wish I had that kind of patience! |
Realremo ;
It is my guess that you may not get the depth that you want in that small room . In my experience , you need a decent amount of space behind the speakers , 5 feet or more .
Try seeking other attributes in the music that you can improve upon and enjoy .
Happy Tunes |
I believe Saki70 is right. Every system I heard with really depth was in a fairly large room with the speakers pulled out from the front wall quite a bit. I also have a small room (10x11) so I know the situation well. |
Realremo - Thanks for the music suggestions. Playing CoppiceHalifax now (Pawley's Island). Sounds great. Going to try the others you suggested as well. |
