Just look at this monster. Does any of you want it? I think, Jeff is now catering to a..hmm..new kind of audiophile. No wonder some people chase his older designs and couldn't care less for this digital age devices. Unless I want to blow someone's brains out with soundwaves, which is unlikely, I don't need it. http://jeffrowlandgroup.com/us/daemon-integrated.html
Hello All, I was long hoping to evaluate the Rowland Daemon
Superintegrated amp. Finally, a review unit was delivered on February 28th. I Started
break-in the following day, and have been scribbling my listening notes since…
The writing project will continue for at least a few months, until the
integrated has stabilized, and I have exercised several of its many input and
output options. I have been waiting for a long time for this 99Lbs single box
critter. Daemon is Jeff Rowland’s integrated flagship. The DAC + Preamp + 1500W/8
(2500W/4) dual-mono power amp in a single 17.5" x 15.25 x 9.5" chassis is already sounding amazing after
just a little more than a couple hundred
hours of break-in.
Learning about Daemon is being a fascinating experience… join
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Yes. They were Lawrence speakers and the combo sounded great as did the Soundsmith room. My two favorites at the NY show. Hope they bring it back to nyc next year.
I heard it yesterday at ther NY Audio show (I think Lawrence speakers) and he had best of sound, easilly. the strings sounded like strings and the vocals sounded HUMAN.
The thing about it is yes its expensive but you know exactly what you are getting and why. How many expensive pieces of audio are out there where not only do you wonder at the price but also exactly what makes it worth it? Better sound is often the best reason but one can find other gear for much less that on paper would seem to be able to compete and others often might even prefer.
Statement pieces are just that. Not only are they good but knock their points home easily i.e. make their statement clear. Their is no arguing quantity especially when accompanied by quality.
If you have a loudspeaker rated at 85dB sensitivity (1w@1m) and you sit 10 feet away from the plane of the loudspeakers than you max SPL at the listening position is 110dB if you amplifier provides 1500 watts output. A 500 watt amp could only produce 105dB. Both levels are very loud, but if you wanted 20dB headroom above a loud listening level, say 90dB, then 1500 watts begins to make sense. If all you wanted was 10dB of headroom above the 90dB listening level, then 150 watts would suffice.
and Rowland still makes some great, relatively lower cost gear. I think the Capri is a relatively great bargain...so if he wants to make an outrageous statement piece because he can make it and sell it, so be it...
While I have admittedly not tried many other amps in the same category (or higher), I have absolutely no interest in replacing my Jeff Rowland Concentra, as it is supremely satisfying within the context of my system.
Inefficient speakers in a big room played at high volume on well recorded dynamic peaks can use incredible amounts of power. I would love one if I could afford one...I suspect they don't expect to sell too many...from some of the room and system descriptions on this site there might be a good market for this product...
I have a different take on the piece. I think the market for the piece is geared towards rich Asians that show their audio equipment as a status symbol like flashy jewelry.
Johd, that's my point. Almost no-one needs it. And then why not 10000 watts? Yeah, I suspect that Jeff is selling his own former achievements by the pound nowadays. That's his business. Still, this upsets me, he used to be one of the handful of great American amp designers.
I used to sell hifi gear at a shop where we demoed and a/b compared 5-6 full lines of amps and receivers from 15 w/ch to 120w/ch.
Guess what? The more powerful models in the line the speakers could handle were always preferred with most any good recording at even modest volume.
Move forward many years now and now we have powerful very high quality amps (that are often physically much smaller per watt than in the past) and bigger better quality speakers capable of going loud and dynamic much better than ever as well. That's progress! How much one needs in their room in their case, well of course that all still depends.
if you like to listen at high volume or even if not so much but you have good recordings with a lot of dynamic range, do not estimate the value of more watts than you think you need until you hear the difference.
I find it almost always pays to date to throw the kitchen sink at most good speakers capable of handling it. I threw 500 w/ch at mine and do not regret it at all. I feel any less would be a step in the wrong direction though still perhaps more than needed normally.
1500 w/ch is much bigger kitchen sink. Why do it? To raise the bar for those who might care and be able to afford the luxury. Its a concrete measurable step forward that is hard to doubt or question compared to many claimed innovations with new products. it unquestionably rasises the bar. To do it in a integrated nonetheless makes it an even grander achievement. The evidence is clear and right before ones eyes. One might still question the value or if needed though. Probably not for most. The price helps assure that.
So just curious in what situation would you need 1500-2500 watts? I ask this legitimately I can't imagine any situation where you could come even close to max power. Or really even 1/3 to 1/2 of max power.
Some power hungry speaker makers are starting to offer models with built in powered subs. OHM Goldenear and Focal are three that come to mind. that's another option that might help some downsize to more compact systems if needed.
Rowland makes great and very well thought out products but not targeted for the masses. This one will likely find its niche as well. Maybe for those with limited space looking to downsize from larger and more expensive gear. A lot of baby boomer audiophiles might fit that niche in a few years. I predict a successful product for Rowland.
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