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Please Make Audiogon Cool
I think that there are a lot of experienced and interesting people on this site. Some in retail, some in manufacturing, and probably some really cool artists, scientists and engineers of all sorts of backgrounds.
I want to encourage those of you with something to say, a point of view, a helpful idea to post.
Without this type of interaction, Audiogon becomes just a shopping support group. If you care about the Audiogon community and would like to see it go in a particular direction, then please contribute in the way you feel most comfortable and engaging.
Thanks!
Erik
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Yup. And thank goodness the moderators are monitoring the abuses here, as evidenced by the deleted posts. The thing is not all nonsense, disinformation and bad behavior violates the stated forum rules, so can’t rely on that alone. In fact a lot more does NOT than does. There are no rules that cover nonsense and disinformation in particular. That’s trickier and not sure anyone would want that level of censorship even if it could be done correctly so its up to all good citizens to help make for a better place. |
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roberttcan"Geoffkait / Cleeds, piss off already. Do you two people have nothing better to do than harass people on this website? It is really getting rather tiring. IF you have something of value to post, go ahead, but if not, then PO." Please notify and alert the moderators about "cleeds" who does not own a Music Reproduction System and is an oozing, infected boil or maybe hemorrhoid on this cite. His disruptive, argumentative, illogical posts are misinformed, ignorant, and abusive his demeanor is offensive in the extreme and I applaud, congratulate, and recognize you for the bravery, determination, and persistence you display in wiping this nuisance from the forum for all time for once and for all! Cleeds and those like him should be exterminated like the vermin and infestation that they are. |
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roberttcan I have yet to see any "evidence" or "facts" presented, as least what would qualify as evidence or facts from an engineering / scientific stand point (you know, something that could stand up in court, or a scientific paperThere are thousands and thousands of facts on this forum and if you haven’t found any in your two days here, then it must be deliberate. This isn’t a scientific forum, where studies and facts are presented for peer review. This isn’t a legal forum, where depositions are taken under sworn oath and lawyers file writs and claims. This also isn’t the place to come to for information on how to care for aquarium fish, or how to grow cucumbers. If you’re looking for any of those things, you’re in the wrong place. I just rejoined yesterday. I have been here before, but left when too busy getting a company off the ground.As you are so found of saying with a wave of the hand: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. my feelings are not unique. You may want to try being part of the solution instead of bullying.If you think I’m bullying here, please alert the moderators. Otherwise, quit the claim because, you know: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I’ll just note that in your two days here, the moderators have deleted more of your posts than they have of mine in more than a decade. |
making Audiogon cool. Sigh. Audiogon will never be cool if we ignore the snake oil charlatans that frequent these pages, that say bench test and measurements don’t matter, and say thing like "a 300b SE will sound magic into those Wilson Alexia’s" and "it’s the way the mains fuse direction is", or "what color fuses is better" ect ect ect. Once this voodoo bull shit stops, only then will it become a cool place, as then there won’t be much conflict. Who would you rather believe an audio technician or this turkey http://www.machinadynamica.com/ Cheers George |
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Where I find that happens on Internet forums is where their degree is not in the actual field being discussed. Having a chem-eng degree does not make you an electrical engineer for instance (and vice versa of course). Unfortunately success in one particular endeavor in life often gives people the false impression that that success/expertise directly translates into everything else they do. It strangely hits mainly men of a particular IQ range that is above 100. terry91,051 posts10-22-2019 9:26pm"If there are actual degreed electrical/engineering physics/acoustic engineers and degreed physical scientists, please speak up" Well Robert, as a math type I find that some degreed engineers are among the hardest to take. They seem fond of quoting theorems that don't apply, and then replying to objections by saying things like, "Oh, we get around that by ..." See any digital thread. |
The OP posed a very valid question sure to elicit the numerous responses already seen here. Manufacturers, scientists, audio experts, etc. are sure to respond to any question or comment. The reason I survey posts on these forums is to hear what others have to say about topics that interest me. Whether seeking advice or recommendations, it seems the purpose of posts is to hear what others have experienced as pertains to a particular issue. Replies to an OP often cascade into numerous personal opinions that eventually evolve into ones that have no constructive value to what was originally asked. Many times, it's just people boasting about their "super systems". Whether a person owns a $50 boom box or a mega $$$ system, everyone has a legitimate right to ask simple question without hearing about where they went wrong or "what may have been" Keeping things simple is, in my view, is cool. |
"If there are actual degreed electrical/engineering physics/acoustic engineers and degreed physical scientists, please speak up" Well Robert, as a math type I find that some degreed engineers are among the hardest to take. They seem fond of quoting theorems that don't apply, and then replying to objections by saying things like, "Oh, we get around that by ..." See any digital thread. |
Speaking of cool, I understand most of you are curious about just how Cool I actually am. Completely understandable but it's difficult for me to elaborate on this since it's just my constant condition. Truth is I don't try to be Cool. I don't think about being Cool or even what Cool is. I just get up early every day, do my stuff and it's everyone I interact with and those observing who describe me as Cool. All day, every day and all night, every night, I ain't nothin but Cool and I'm not even tryin. Like how I just dropped those two gs and made that last part of the sentence kinda rhyme. All ya all probably thought that was kinda Hep but that was just me naturally spewing syllables step by step. See what I mean? Oh come'on, you even think it's cool I didn't add the 'jelly bean'? Cut it out! People say I'm Vincent Vega Cool but without all that blood drippin. Sisters say I was a Cool pup just doing my bawlin and crawlin. Erik asks how we're going to make Audiogon Cool. Obviously not with lame poems from this old Fool. Just having some fun acting the Fool, Tim Okay, maybe a bit touched. |
Who is "the rest of us" ... asking for a friend teo_audio1,151 posts10-22-2019 7:42pmTo the postulating and posturing engineering sycophant who is searching desperately for windmills in the mirror of ego: It would be highly appreciated by the rest of us if you would cease and desist and take your leave. thanks |
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Please Make Audiogon CoolYes all for it, (not dope head, cooool man you should hear this, blows that away believe me) Without any of the voodoo BS statements and products, that can’t be backed up with any solid EE (electronic engineering) principals, that all our equipment is designed and based on in the first place. First decent thing you've proposed reading it my way. |
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The second most important piece of equipment, after the speakers, is the room. Went to an audio show on a weekend ... room after room after room of disappointing and very very expensive systems. $30,000+ of Nordost, a $50,000 turntable, $100,000 of speakers and I have no clue how much of electronics can’t fix bad acoustics. Maybe the room the Teac system is in is pretty tolerable such that there is nothing "awful" to distract from the music. Sure, listening to my main system is a far step better, but I often get a lot of enjoyment from the Sonos 1's and 3's sprinkled around the house. Report thisfrench_fries750 posts10-22-2019 4:43pm Why is it my ears don’t discriminate that much anymore? I’m not questioning the validity of the delicate nuances coming out of a great speaker system, but I can ALSO listen to music on just about anything. Except- an esoteric set of components that sounds unacceptional (but the "Watts" are certainly there if you’re hosting a house party). I think we all know the disappointment of hearing a demo and have to be diplomatic with the salesman who wants you to be amazed. |
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roberttcan WHAT CAN BE ASSERTED WITHOUT EVIDENCE, CAN BE DISMISSED WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Your argument is easily dismissed as you have no evidence to support your position, nor are you willing to provide evidence via proving your claim. Report thisgeoffkait17,625 posts10-22-2019 5:02pm >>>>>Nobody is saying that the ears can’t be fooled sometimes. But intimacy with one’s system and recordings can help ensure not many mistakes are made. So, we can dismiss any psychological bugaboo, whether it’s being psyched out, confirmation bias, placebo effect, reverse placebo effect or whatever other mumbo jumbo terminology you like. Yes, I have noticed your use of ad-homs when you are not able to address the argument. It is not something to be proud of. "I’ve already used the term Wiki scientist, it’s what I labeled you, actually, so please stop using my material. Have you no shame?" >>>>>In that case I will dismiss your arguments. Talk to da hand 🖐 |
I have yet to see any "evidence" or "facts" presented, as least what would qualify as evidence or facts from an engineering / scientific stand point (you know, something that could stand up in court, or a scientific paper ... I changed it and I thought it was better doesn't count.). If there are actual degreed electrical/engineering physics/acoustic engineers and degreed physical scientists, please speak up. Love to chat with you ... p.s. I just rejoined yesterday. I have been here before, but left when too busy getting a company off the ground. Obviously based on the op's post and other posts I have read, his and my feelings are not unique. You may want to try being part of the solution instead of bullying. cleeds2,479 posts10-22-2019 5:42pmroberttcan Any actual engineers and scientists in the audio field, are quickly turned off by stuff like this, which has no basis in fact ... So how do you change things ...There are lots of facts here, but you don’t like them. There is a lot of evidence here, but not the kind you like. There are also multiple actual scientists and engineers who regularly contribute here. But you just joined yesterday, so you can be somewhat forgiven for not recognizing that. If you stick around, you’ll likely find some here who are even smarter than you. |
