I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs.
Well, he is absolutely within his rights to hide the secrets of his product. When people talk about cutting the mat open and other questions I would discourage that sort of thing too. Who wouldn’t? Hel-loo! I had a skeptic take an Intelligent Chip (which wasn’t even my product!) to a metallurgist to try to determine the metals and other material used in its construction, not realizing the active ingredient (artificial atoms) was sandwiched between the two thin discs, out of view of the scanning electron microscope. 😛
Never smarten up a chump and never ever give a sucker an even break.
lpretiring I would guess the level of intensity has something to do with effectiveness as well. I bet mine will stay in place at 100 mph!
See my previous post, which I just amended to address intensity. The reason eMats are more effective when stacked probably is not (rpt not) a function of magnet intensity. You said it yourself - strong magnets hurt the sound. Hel-loo! The trick is knowing WHAT TO MANIPULATE. And that whole subject is unfortunately one of those unmentionable subjects and beyond scope.
You may. But let’s keep it here as I am sure we will end up combining the two etc.. Again, it’s all good! User experiences and ideas to use with the E-mats or without are what these forums are for. How E-mats work with other tweaks etc... All this is good. To limit it means it does become an ad, not a forum.
We know the E-mat does not use magnetism for its magic. We were already told that. It is still interesting to try these low cost magnetic tweaks because we can 🙂
On the other hand your friend and humble narrator has been using magnets of various types sizes and colors for nigh on twenty years. So, there’s that. It’s a question of knowing where they go and so forth. Also, they are not particularly powerful. So, there’s that.
@geoffkait You may very well be right. About a year ago I tried some little neo-something super strong round magnets. Experimented for an evening and in my system it was awful.
Yes, but my questions go further. Will magnetism enhance E-mats effectiveness? Do E-mat work on speakers? Heck, if kitchen mats work at all to enhance, why not use cheap 60 mil mats which are so much stronger than 20 or 30 mil mats?
Make something cheap enough and ever the most die hard skeptic folds like a little girl. Even when they’re told magnetism is not the method of operation. It never fails. 😛
Yikes??!? Kitchen mats, how did I miss that? I just bought a 10' roll 30 mil thick mat that is used primarily for putting signs on sides of cars, and it's been shipped in less than an hour. LOL!
But the good news, really cheap for real.
What do I have to lose now, will try it on my breaker panel for giggles.
I agree with grannyring that its another interesting aspect to be looked at. @sbayne please continue to post your experience and of course if you ever get an e-mat of either size let us know how it reacts to what you’ve already started. If anything I can send some that I will be getting for you to experiment with. I have been using some black discus' from Mad Scientist that are working really well that I want to see how the e-mat plays with.
Not you at all Frank. Tim actually. No reason for that post by him. The other magnet thing is just another interesting aspect of this thread. They can both live here as well as other ideas. I think the posts here have been positive and great. All good stuff.
Please post here as you are welcomed by most everyone of us. Look forward to your kitchen mat results. Not sure why one or two posted such short and strangely negative posts? Anyway just ignore them 🙂
Sbayne-I was hoping for your experience(s) with using big kitchen magnets. Also, if they enhance E-Mats properties when stacked with them.
tommylion- I wonder how E-Mats work on speakers? I didn't think that would be an appropriate application. On my 5'6", 7 driver speakers, the drivers are located up to 5' down, the speaker terminals 5' down and the crossover about mid-way down.
How strong is the E-Mats affect on a speaker that size? Would six stacked E-Mats be more effective on a speaker? Would an E-Mat be effective covering speaker terminals?
These are valid questions which could help audiophiles in improving their sound at lower cost (sbayne) or higher cost (tommylion), or not worth pursuing (no change in sound).
@perfectpathtech and @oregonpapa - I'm going to stop posting on this thread. I think this is what you want by telling people to ignore my posts and by insinuating I'm unethical. Ironically, I think Perfect Path Tech's products do exactly what is claimed.
@tommylion - Can you set-up a system page and download some pictures? I’d like to see your set-up. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Would give me an idea what size your speakers are and how far away the E-Mats are from the drivers, etc. Thanks.
Last night's listening session was fantastic. As things settle in, the sound just continues to improve.
Robert and I dug deeply into the record vault and came up with a real sleeper. I knew the record was good, but it NEVER sounded like this before! Definitely a demo LP for sure.
Instead of the usual Paul Desmond on alto sax, it features Bill Smith on clarinet. An amazing LP. Be sure to buy the stereo version. I don't know if there's a CD release ... If so, I haven't heard it and can't vouch for it.
I am very happy so far with the results of placing mats on top of my speakers 😃 More transparency, clarity, air, reverb & decay, realism, life, energy, palpability and engagement with the music.
I'm now back in town after being gone for 5 days and gave a listen with the four 8x11 magnetic mats on my music server. No doubt another improvement in sound! My 30 additional "mats" also arrived but there was a note in the box saying they could not cut them to size so they sent me a 30' x 2' roll! It actually worked-out well since I was able to cut them to the exact size needed. I now have 10 layers of 20mil magnetic mat on the inside of my breaker box and 10 layers under or over all my components (excluding the turntable for obvious reasons) including the power conditioners. I sat down for a brief listen and wow! I'm going to let them "cook" for a few days before reaching any conclusions..........
If I could choose only one place to put a mat, it would be the power panel/breaker box, as this will benefit all components (as well as your TV and any other A/V devices plugged into the AC), rather than targeting just one specifically.
Been following this thread, and it has some great people with lots of knowledge involved. So if your going for your first mat, where do you put it? Breaker box? under the amp? under the disc player? under the pre amp? under power distribution? Have not seen (read) a clear answer. All have some positive but not a sheer winner. I know each system is different an it could very some what. But those that have tried several mats where did it give you the biggest bump in performance?
That’s the name of the game for me. As I discover these great tweaks, I love to share them with my friends who are fellow audiophiles as well.
Its just amazing to me how much information is left untouched on our LP’s and CD’s and not revealed to our ears. The tweaks, especially really good ones like the SR Blue fuses, SR HFT’s, the Total Contact, and now the Omega E Mats, can bring out the best in whatever equipment we may have at the present time. Even entry level systems can benefit tremendously from these four tweaks.
Steve is correct. I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time and effort to reduce micro vibrations throughout the system. There’s a lot more going on with my system that doesn’t meet the eye. Reducing micro vibrations and paying attention to room treatments has had a real payoff in the sound department. BUT ... the best so far has been the Omega E Mat. There’s been nothing like the combination of the TC and the Mats to really bring the system around to where it is today.
Let me second my agreement with Mr. Bob about Frank's system. However, he has radically good vibration isolation plates under all his equipment and apparently high end cabling. His CD player is 98% as good as my EAR Acute which is about $5-6,000 with his CD player slightly tighter and deeper in the bass. His speakers are highly resolving despite their age, especially with the tweaks.
Let me chime in on this thread.... I have no vested interest, I am not a troll, but let me share my personal observations from listening to Frank's system evolve over the past two years. I started going to Frank's place around 2 years ago, when he started installing the SR Black fuses, then the Blue fuses, then the contact paste, and now the eMats... I have to share my independent observations in Frank's room; with each step, his sound has clearly improved from the previous version...Frank's system is relatively modest; old Legacy speakers, Audio Research 3, or 5 pre, and a AR 75 amp, $300 modded Pioneer elite CD player, and average cables and power. He has some additional room treatments, with speakers pulled out for near field listening. The detail, resolution, and lowered floor noise is now unbelievably improved....on tracks that I am very familiar, his system now allows me to hear subtle shimmer and decay that is missing from my more expensive and supposedly more resolving rig( Venture speakers, dCS Vivaldi dac, network bridge, dedicated Room Nucleus + core, high end Transparent reference cables, Shunyata power conditioner, 3 dedicated lines, Veloce battery powered pre, dedicated NAS, with router on linear power supply, Sablon ethernet cables, etc). His sound stage stretches back deep to the wall, and wide, clarity, resolution in spades, and improved bass and dynamics. The mats have clearly brought his systems to achieving almost the ultimate extraction of digital bits possible. Everything that Frank has described, I've heard independently, He is not exaggerating one iota. I know folks have called him a shill, and over hyped a product, but he is only providing audiophiles, like me, an opportunity to enhance their sound experience with relatively modest cost tweaks. I have placed 6 mats in my rig for only 48 hours now, one in breaker box, one under amp, preamp, DAC, Roon Nucleus and NB, and Directv player. With only 48 hours, my room has improved, lower floor noise, less grunge, deeper bass, and some of my missing shimmer on cymbals and horn and piano notes is now coming into my room. I am looking forward to completing the break in process. I don 't have full pasting on my power cords, and stopped at the SR black level fuses, not blue. I have paid for my tweaks directly, nothing free. I know there are doubters out there...I simply wish to share my experience from listening to Frank's room, and now my own. Thanks, Frank....enjoy the music Bob
My unconditional return guarantee does not apply if the product is cut or altered. The smaller card should prevent one from cutting up the larger mat. Cutting will alter the performance big time.
First production run of the Alpha E Card is almost done!
I understand the trepidation about cutting the mat into smaller pieces. So I'm waiting for someone else to try it first. And who knows maybe once its cut open stuff may ooze out...
Oregonpapa In a hobby where there are phono cartridges costing $15,000, line stages in excess of $30,000, amps in excess of $100,000 and speakers in excess of $250,000, $600 for a mat seems paltry.
Congratulations on your system success, and your retirement from beta testing.
Sorry friend, you misread my post. I was referring to "equipment" upgrades, not experimenting with tweaks. I don't think I'll ever be done with the tweaks. I'm a tweak-o-holic.
Stay tuned ... there's another product coming down the pike that I'll be beta testing. Supposed to be a real killer.
Do you think Tim will refund the $600 if it's cut up into a dozen pieces?
I'd say no. But then again, why would anyone want to return any of these mats once installed and the benefits enjoyed? Its not like they won't work. In fact, there's more benefit to be gained from the Omega E Mats than any other way that I can think of.
In a hobby where there are phono cartridges costing $15,000, line stages in excess of $30,000, amps in excess of $100,000 and speakers in excess of $250,000, $600 for a mat seems paltry.
Even if you were to buy six mats, two for the circuit breaker box and four more for under your various pieces of equipment, you'd be out only $3,600. For that dollar investment, you'd be hard pressed to get anything close to the improvement afforded by the six Omega E Mats.
@ozzy, thanks for clarifying about MC 0.5’s, 20 is a lot. I don’t want to derail this thread, is there a thread that describes your set up for how you implement them?
It will be most interesting to hear from you , whether or not they harmonise with the Omega E mat.
There is NO WAY I would dream of cutting up $600 worth of equipment unless Tim stated it would be exactly the same as him supplying 10 smaller mats. And even then I would prefer his supplied ones to my sure to be hack job...lol.
Buy one Geoff and let us know how it turns out...….
jetter I like ozzy's "cutting" idea, and it would be interesting if you could let us know what a cross section looks like. Does it appear to be all the same and the same material, or stratified layers of differing materials? If Tim has already answered this, sorry for the duplicate, but not up to reading the whole post at this time.
I for one would also like to know if anyone takes one to NASA for a good once over with a scanning electron microscope or if the word REDRUM is visible to the naked eye.
@ozzy Yes I read your thread on the speakers at the time, very interesting.
as for cutting up the large pad I would rather just wait until Tim makes the smaller ones available and intend to spend the same amount as 1 large one on ten smaller ones so I can experiment with placement to see where is most effective, then take it from there.
Much easier to justify the possible huge expense eventual in my head at 460 a pop rather than $600 even if I end up with 10 in the same place...lol Just psychology I know.
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