@ozzy
How did your system sound after removing the mat?
How did your system sound after removing the mat?
Perfect Path Technologies: Omega E mat
I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs.
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ronrags, From my posting on this thread on July 26, 2018. "So last night I removed the Omega mat from the breaker box and placed it in my car in the garage. 12 hours later I turned my system back on and did some deep listening. Primarily to evaluate the sound quality without all the previous items in the breaker box including now without the Omega mat. As I write this, I find that the frequency extremes are still the same. Perhaps the soundstage is a little flatter as is not as deep. However, not as much change as I thought there would be. Very interesting and confusing. Why did I think the mat initially provided an increase in the sound quality? So once again I reintroduced the Omega mat over the breakers. About 6 hours later I again sat down to listen. I found that… there was indeed a more satisfying sound. Huh? How? There was no frequency change, and not much change in the soundstage. Not anything that I could point specifically at. But the Omega mat did contribute to an overall deeper music appreciation. It is now my opinion that the Omega mat excites an emotional feeling. It is sort of a feeling of a live presence that was lacking in the recorded sound. I don’t know how or why but it was easy to hear once it was reinserted." I hope this helps. ozzy |
Ozzy ... You’ve discovered one of the the mysteries of the Omega E Mats. As I stated in a previous post, initially, the mat actually degraded the sound of my system. That lasted for about a half day or so. Then the improvements started to appear. In discussing this with Tim Mrock, he concluded that it was because I had used an inordinate amount of TC throughout the system and elsewhere inside and outside of the house. It took time for both the TC and the Mats to gel with each other. I believe that there is some type of energy being thrown off by the Omega E Mats and that they somehow "charge up" the components that they rest under. Its kind of like pasting every part of a component with TC including the chassis, transistors, capacitors, and even circuit boards. Doubling or tripling up of the E mats increases the phenomenon. I believe that when the Omega E Mats, or in your case the one mat, is removed, the "charge" remains for awhile, then slowly dissipates. This would account for the initial improvement you heard in your circuit box with the mat in, and then not noticing much of a difference when the mat was removed, only to find a return to improvement when you returned the mat to the circuit box again. Call me crazy ... but I think these Omega E Mats have life. Same for the TC. I think Tim has hit upon a product/invention that will go way beyond the limited use we audiophiles will be putting it through. At this point, the improvements in the SQ of my system with the TC applications and the six Omega E Mats, have brought the system to the point that I have absolutely no desire to upgrade any electronics or speakers from now on. The system plays music that gets me totally involved in the performance ... and its as close to "live" music as I’ve heard from 99% of systems out there, including mega-buck systems. Its limited of course by scale ... but only by scale. By many accounts, my system is fairly modest price wise for "high end." I put a pencil to it the other night. Had I bought everything in the system new, with no discounts, the retail value would be in the $70,000 range, not including the TC and the Omega E Mats. Frank |
@ozzy Sorry I must have missed your post from 7/26. I believe what you heard by reintroducing the mat was hearing more into the music. TC initially lowered the noise floor which increased the macro and micro-dynamics along with the soundstage. The mats increased those features even further at least in my system. I was just listening to Diana Krall and her voice was much more distinct, clearer and as if she was in my room! The sound of the instruments are more focused and positioned. The soundstage now appears to envelope my room as if I still had my surround system. |
Frank I agree with everything you have stated. In my work with real acoustic instruments I have found that when a new adjustment or device is introduced into their system path way there is a period of acceptance and also of expansion of soundscape and dynamics. While this expansion of sound is like filling a tub with water or a balloon with air when the valve is released the sonic impression lingers until over a period of time it is gone. I have found the same of many audio devices and the same is true of the E Mats particularly in this comparison. Unless your fully aware and patient this ebb and flow of energy within a device or system or in the confines of an audio room may be difficult at first to absorb and understand. Many times its not just what you hear but what you see and feel in the musicians motions and expressions and this is best related in my room with both TC and the Emats. Tom |
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What does the application of TC and the mats do for my system? I do not know the technology behind it and I do not care. The products are applied and placed and I do not mess with it anymore. I used to listen to my system on the weekends mainly by myself. Now I find my myself listing nearly every night for about an hour to an hour and a half on my main system. I am limited by my work and family schedule. Further, my wife now listens to a few songs with me. She has never done that before in 34 years of marriage. We even dance a little when the songs are right. I have never asked her why, I just enjoy her company. I have also listed to a greater variety of music on cds in my main system and from my computer office system. I hated the glare of digital in both systems and it got annoying to listen to after about an hour. These products have made me happy, since I can enjoy the convenience of the digital format with a Lot Less digital glare. The products have also helped my office system Make me be more productive, because the music is more enjoyable for hours at a time. Thanks to those that have put themselves out there to get the word out, especially to Tim for the product development. I will probably get some of the smaller mats when they become available. Back to the music. rc |
Unfortunately, my friend with the Scherzinger components will be breaking down his system as he is moving to Beverly Hills and has to build another sound room. He is away for the next two weeks so I'm not sure if his system will be intact. I heard the Scherzinger giga protector turned on and off and the difference is quite noticeable. Even my sceptical engineer friend who accompanied me said to leave it on as it sounded better. |
I have an alternative theory concerning the Omega E-Mat effect. It's possible that the E-Mat orients electrons or other fields in a more efficient configuration. It takes time to orient the configuration and it takes time for disoriention to reoccur when E-Mats are removed. Only Tim Mrock knows if this is the way it works. Anyone have other theories? Anyone like my theory? |
I like the E Mat more than any idea of how it works---just placed my second mat 12 hours ago, let it sit for 8 hours--now listening. Things that are happening: a more dramatic low end, a quieter floor--as if the room just became a small cavern. How does the mat work--is it a power source or a receiver? Don't ask---this is a cutting edge idea that deserves its proprietary status. Now, no CD sounds bad. I'm pulling stuff out I put away years ago due to flat or lifeless sound. I can't find one of those anymore--wasn't the production so much as the playback--it's come a long way since. |
“I have an alternative theory concerning the Omega E-Mat effect. It’s possible that the E-Mat orients electrons or other fields in a more efficient configuration. It takes time to orient the configuration and it takes time for disoriention to reoccur when E-Mats are removed. Only Tim Mrock knows if this is the way it works. Anyone have other theories? Anyone like my theory?” My theory is that it makes a quantum connection, across space/time, with the original musical event(s) 😉 |
Geoff, where are you? This your field of expertise. Magnetic fields obviously effect the "field" immediately in its "range". Have a look at the magnetic fields working on ion particles on the North and South poles. So it is possible to "condense" the field of flow at a particular area to enhance it's effect on that area, which will effect everything downstream of it (and possibly the reverse as well). I would conclude it's effect to be an enhancer of the signal, much like the "sharpness" tag in Adobe Photoshop. Clever to be sure, but the price is steep for the technology. It would ne interesting if someone was able to place low strength magnets in a "dishrag", so they don't move about, and see if it had the same effect. |
If I’m not mistaken, the inventor already addressed the magnetic field theory by revealing the new smaller mats are not (rpt not) magnetic. The large mats were magnetic only so they could be easily attached to ferrous surfaces like a breaker panel door. Generally speaking, don’t audiophiles generally try to eliminate magnetic fields, not introduce them? |
@fleschler thanks for your reply and concerning a theory about how they work, perhaps they are along the lines of the Bybee Signal Enhancers, except the Omega E mat works without crystals (according to the designer) and from what everyone says more powerful, albeit more expensive. This is what is said of how the Bybee’s work: ”Like its sibling the Quantum Signal Enhancer, it’s activated by surrounding electromagnetic energy, but has also been designed and engineered to be more effective by creating an extended electric and magnetic field. Once activated, the extended electric and magnetic fields affects the polarity of all electrons and protons in close proximity; affecting their oscillation by making them more aligned with each other. This reaction creates an affect that makes the transfer or sharing of electrons between atoms more streamline and efficient. The results are a stunningly enhanced purity and energy of the video or audio signal. Of note, the active elements inside the iQSE are specially formed crystals that are resistant to damage and will never lose their effectiveness.” I believe @ozzy was using the Bybee’s until he tried the Omega E mat. Perhaps he can comment on the comparison. Also as someone else mentioned it would be interesting to hear from @ozzy how the mats work with and without the HF MC 0.5’s. I am currently using 10 Bybee Signal Enhancers ( the originals) and find them highly effective on the consumer unit, switch and router. This is where I’m advising my customers to place them since I have had some detrimental results under the equipment. Somebody commented earlier using these devices is like “ throughing out the baby with the bath water” and this may be the case but on power supplies they definitely lower the noise floor. The Omega E Mat reviews, however, suggests that you can use them universally. Perhaps users can comment on this. Thanks for your time and input. |
I have some HFC MC-05’s and the eMatts, the Matt’s in my system were a better value, and returned much greater sonic improvement. I will be selling my HFC cables and stuff, I feel Tim’s products outperform, over deliver and increase my enjoyment better than all my previous tweaks combined. A true winner! |
It has been my experience, as well as others who owned and since sold HFC, even their ultimate cables, that the HF cables are terrible sounding. Putting pounds of magnets in line on RCAs and A/C cables is a terrible idea and sounds just as bad. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a worse sounding cable. My friend with a formerly $850,000 high end system just removed and sold his $100,000+ stable of HF cables and replaced them with GroverHuffman cables for $3800 and kept some Nordost speaker cables. Apparently, the Bybees may work similar to what I suggested for the E-Mat. As to pulling out poor sounding CDs, YES, many CDs I considered mediocre sounding are now sonically involving (the music was the reason I purchased them) with so much more information in clarity, openness and richer tonal qualities. I would say the worst sounding recordings improved the most while the best recordings improved the least. My 78s were really given a boost into their direct disc recording nature, limited primarily at the frequency extremes but providing richer tone and more dynamic swings. I can’t praise the E-Mat tweak enough after a month in my system. The SR blackbox and Atmosphere XL4 are toys compared to it. I wonder though, if the SR fuses and HFTs were required to obtain this vast improvement but I’m too lazy too remove them to test the hypothesis. Anyone out there using E-Mats with standard fuses and acoustically untreated rooms? |
aniwolfe, toetapaudio, I can only comment on the one Omega mat that I have in my breaker box. IMHO the Bybee’s and the Omega mat did not work well together. I think they cancel each other out. So, at my breaker box I have the one Omega mat and in my audio room with the 3 dedicated lines with (6) Furutech NCF outlets. I have plugged in 20 of the MC-0’5’s and they seem to complement each other well. However, I have not unplugged the MC-05s, that might make for a future experiment. And, it may change if I ever get more mats placed at the component end. I should also add that within each of the components I have a Bybee IQSE and SR ECT’s and the SR blue fuses ozzy |
@tommylion When someone has enough experience with audio, information can be gleaned from reviews. I have paid attention to all of the reviews. They all form together to make an educated opinion of what the mat does and does not do. The statement I quoted just put the nail in coffin as empirical data to my theories. You're welcome to enjoy whatever the heck you want. @hifiman5 Well said, and you'll be happier in the long run. History goes in cycles. The majority of the industry pumping out and/or enjoying colored products will change. Eventually, people will realize this is the reoccurrence of a time like the Bose 901. Sadly, this may happen after some have passed away. |
@fleschler @ozzy Oregonpapa did not purchase 30 E-mats. He distributed the mats to other audiophiles but until he did, he tried them. I heard his system with 6 and 12 E-Mats. 6 are plenty to accomplish a radically good improvement in a system (at least my system and those previously noted). Did @oregonpapa pay for 5 of them? |
“@tommylion When someone has enough experience with audio, information can be gleaned from reviews. I have paid attention to all of the reviews. They all form together to make an educated opinion of what the mat does and does not do. The statement I quoted just put the nail in coffin as empirical data to my theories. You’re welcome to enjoy whatever the heck you want.” jay23, I have no idea what you’re saying? |
toetapaudio ... https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis92idi-perfect-path-technologies-omega-e-mat-signal-enhancer-twe... 8" x 10" .75 pounds. |
Ozzy: My Oppo 203 Blue Ray player has been carefully tuned with a Synergistc Research Blue fuse, multiple ECT's inside, Total Contact on all capacitors, chips, and pin connectors. After this was all broken in and stabilized, I added one Bybee IQSE inside the player and located it directly above the digital circuit board. This benefited the audio and visual quality only one small "click" in improvement. I have since placed an Omega E Mat on top of the player. There has been a greater additional improvement in audio and video. The E Mat caused an immediate change but really began to excel after 12 days of being in the same location. David Pritchard |
@oregonpapa thanks for the reply. I did see the close up before, just would like to see an image of the complete mat if possible. @davidpritchard did you leave the Bybee in place? Ozzy said he removed the Bybee’s on his consumer unit because they conflicted. I’ve dropped a line to Tim at PPT asking if he will ship to the U.K. Guys with experience of TC, have you tried painting the outside of the power cables and mains cables from the consumer unit? What was the result? Thanks for your time. |
Toetapaudio, I painted the conduit that is exposed above ground from an area transformer. The conduit then heads into my meter outside my house..also treated the output box and lead into my breaker panel box on the interior wall that is in my audio room. The meter and breaker panel back up to each other on a common wall. Inches of cable connect the two .. Noticed an improvement right away..A few weeks later I started with the E Mats..Full speed ahead from there. Tom |
@davidpritchard So you have $6589 invested in these mats total?? That is some serious coin by anybody's standards. I can only conclude that you truly believe they have a huge positive influence to have spent so much. Still waiting for Tim to release the minimees before I give them a whirl. Baby steps for me. |
Well I have paid for 11 Omega E Mats. Six are currently in place and I am awaiting the additional 5. These are installed in 4 different systems. Two stereo systems, one video system, and one headphone system. I am impressed with the positive results they are bringing to the systems. David Pritchard From about 10 posts earlier so yes I would say that is exactly what he said. Lol |
@theaudiotweak thanks for the information. I have a dedicated power consumer unit and five separate spurs run lengths of about 10 m in 60 amp twin and earth and then terminated in individual 60 amp junction boxes in the workshop from which the 3m power chords ( some Sablon and Belden) pass through a hole in the wall to the listening room. What would be an estimate of the amount of TC I would need to paint everything? Many thanks for your advice. |
Theres the Katie we all know and love so dearly, ready to hurl insults . If you had said that in the first place then we might have had some clue what was whirling around in that head of yours instead of wondering what speeling mistake or grammar dysfunction you were trying to trip people up on now! Peace out...... |
Listening to my second E Mat, placed Thursday between Richard Gray 240V/120V system transformer and Richard Gray 1200C front-end power supply, which supplies Wadia 861 SE/GNSC player that has one mat underneath. If there is a "noise floor", the bottom just dropped out, revealing even more information, formerly hidden behind and between other information. Nuances of percussion, keyboard fills and voice harmonies are popping out all across the deeper and wider soundscape. Worn-out cliches, yes, but how else to describe it? |
jafreeman: Congratulations on the further improvement of your system with the second Omega E Mat. It is difficult to verbalize the improvement in a system as additional Mats are installed and then become stabilized after being in place for Two weeks. My audio systems are now more emotionally moving and stimulating.Trying to verbalize the why of this effect I will leave to others. The cost of multiple Mats is considerable but not more than two or three upper tier Power Cords, one or two DACs, or a premium amplifier such as my Pass Labs INT-60. I am on the Board of Directors of El Paso Pro Musica whose artistic director is Zuill Bailey (three time Grammy Award winner in classical music). My passion in life is listening to music. My audio expenditures allow me to have a greater connection to the music I listen to and a greater connection to the artists who create the music. I think the Omega E Mats are an audio bargain. David Pritchard |
David, As an E mat "superuser", your endorsement of the mat, both personally and professionally, carries considerable weight. I am looking forward to adding more mats over time--thanks for the encouraging reports of continued gains with each additional mat. Is there a point at which you would stop adding to a system? Wondering if there is a limit to the density of sound one room can accommodate. Joseph Freeman |
“Congratulations on the further improvement of your system with the second Omega E Mat. It is difficult to verbalize the improvement in a system as additional Mats are installed and then become stabilized after being in place for Two weeks. My audio systems are now more emotionally moving and stimulating.Trying to verbalize the why of this effect I will leave to others.” WOW! You don’t see that too much. Difficulty verbalizing the improvement to the sound and no attempt whatsoever to speculate how these things work. And he has eleven of them! 🙄 For anyone having difficulty expressing himself or identifying characteristics of sound you might consider consulting several sources of audiophile terminology, One such compendium of terms was developed by J. Gordon Holt. His book is found on Amazon here, https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Glossary-J-Gordon-Holt/dp/0962419141 Here is the link to the Stereophile magazine longish Glossy of Audiophile Terms, https://www.stereophile.com/content/sounds-audio-glossary-glossary and this list of audiophile terms from head-fi.org, https://www.head-fi.org/threads/describing-sound-a-glossary.220770/ |
Joseph: I do think your approach is very smart. Take some time to let each Mat achieve it's maximum effect at that location. My results so far indicate to start with the circuit breaker box location for the first Mat as you then will have a beneficial effect on multiple pieces of equipment. If possible place the Mat at a trial location and then give it at least overnight before any serious listening. I heard differences at 10 hours, three days, and then a significant change at the 12-14 day mark. Have fun with the Mats! If they improve your listening sessions keep them and if they do not send them back. With the 30 day trial period there is no need for a snap decision for or against. Return postage is cheap. I do hope forum readers that stream music will take the opportunity to listen to Zuill Bailey's cello work. A nice CD is his playing cello with David Leisner on acoustic guitar. Recorded in an auditorium and not a studio, the interplay of guitar - cello- and recording venue is very satisfying to me. David Pritchard |
