My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Congratulations on making a speaker choice that is a sonic benchmark and has liquidity in the used marketplace. I really liked your comments on why the other 5 contenders didn't get the nod, I was hoping for Vivid but the resale was deemed difficult in spite of you loving their sonics and looks. Ted uses Magico as his reference speaker so SR cables should be a synergistic pairing. Jay, you made the perfect choice progressing from the ALEXX to M6 for many reasons, kudos to your decision. Can't wait for the Integrated shootout, and I hope the Boulder 866 might grace your room.
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Dave, I don't think Jay has an 866 under wraps although I wish he did. He should spill the beans shortly on his new acquisition.
Nor does Gryphon Diablo, I think.
I understand the reasoning behind the speakers choice. I also can sometimes 'read between words' , which was not really much "between". That's not the speakers that Jay wanted but he had to accept the reality, a few elements of it. But it's alright, even those of us who are disappointed will be looking forward to hearing whatever Jay is going to show us. In addition, I think that we simply want to support Jay in his audiophile business endeavour.
Could have also ordered the speaker he wanted, and during the 4-5 months of wait time, bring in some lesser expensive speakers and have some rounds with those.  

Or, perhaps there's something to having back to back high dollar speakers, without a bunch of between time, but we still can't really compare because the electronics have changed so much. 

Or, perhaps, he thinks it's a risk to not have a high dollar speaker for a longer period of time - possibly losing his following.  

Still, I think that having some popular less expensive speakers would have still had a nice following.  I think he could still make it different from anyone else out there (some props for you WC :-)
For myself, I enjoy whatever he does and whatever he decides after all of the suggestions, etc.  Looking forward to hearing more of the M6.
Dave
 All I can say is that the m6 will stun people and make some mágico non-believers become believers. The tweeter on this thing is next level. 
Aesthetically, it's a no contest between this and Alexx. This thing is a timeless design that doesnt ever age. 
Jay, I can't wait until you divulge the amp you've selected as I believe I have a 4 month head start on you. Probably never happen again.
@thezaks471 Dave, do you have an 866?  I'm purchasing one for a backup system and have read many positive reviews about it.  
WC, why the M6 when you already had the M3 ? Sure, more bass, but it’s a lot of $... 
Having owned both the m3 and m6, the gap in performance is huge. The m3 is not the same cabinet as m6.
The m6 has a "monocoque" design built by a company in Canada that builds submarines and fusilage for airplanes. They might look the same but internally they are not even close.
Also, the crossover on the m6 has superior premium parts not found in the m3.
Currently, the m6 is used by soulution in their factory to build electronics and synergistic research uses mágico as well to manufacture cables.
Besides the bass improvement, you also get a superior dispersion and precision to the nth degree.
Is the standard mercedes s550 the same as the s65 amg? They might look similar on the outside..but pop the hood and the preconceived idea will soon be wiped out.
Well that's why you would have to own them to know :) 
I wasn't convinced Alexx was better than Alexia 2 until i brought both here...
"Currently, the m6 is used by soulution in their factory to build electronics"--hopefully, you have brought in, or will bring in, Soulution.
By design Alex has got 2 midrange drivers. So sure it will be better than the Alexia 2 which has only one. A completely different speaker.

With the Magico M3 , you still have premium parts all over. It’s just a matter of bass with 3 x 7 inch. woofers instead of 3 x 10 inch. A pair of M3 with 2 Rel subs makes a lot more sense to me.
Hi Jay,
Have checked in on your incredible thread periodically.
Your new M6 s seem pretty great.
Two “dumb” questions:
Why no analog?
Generally speaking, is cost reflected in quality?
Eg.-$109K Wilson vs $172K Magico.
Keep up the interesting work.
M3 doesn’t scale as large...I’m not sure why people think that if you grab a pair of bookshelf speakers and use 2 subs that you can get the same effect as their larger sibling speakers but without subs?
Some fail to take into consideration the crossover points on the larger speaker versus the smaller speaker plus the fact that the larger size cabinet makes a difference too. The height of the tweeter on the larger speaker.
Have you not noticed the bottom of the m6 vs the m3? The m6 rides on 3 mpods versus 4 on the m3. There is more mass "floating in the air" with the m6.
Speaking of the Alexx having 2 midrange drivers versus one on the Alexia 2. How about sasha versus alexia ? The Alexia is more effortless much larger sounding.
I don’t know why people have this perception that adding subs to smaller speakers gets you the same sound as the larger siblings. That’s a myth in most case and probably only true if the speaker manufacturer is a terrible designer. 
Why no Analog?
I'm a bit lazy to embark on buying vinyl and storing them. With as much gear as i go through, I'd have a hard time making vinyl work in my current environment. 

Is cost reflected on the quality?
9 times out of 10, yes. There is some overpriced stuff out there that should be a third of the msrp. If you are spending a lot of money, try to stick to the names that have earned such high prices. Mágico and wilson have always been at the top but they aren't exactly everyone's cup of tea. 
Jay's point about the superior cabinet of the M6 makes sense.  The ultimate approach in eliminating cabinet resonances is heavy rigid granite, used in Acora speakers reviewed by Kemper Holt.  Also, cast iron cabinets used by Jern.  I heard the small mini monitor Jern ES 14 EH speaker at Audio Doctor (now Audio Intellect) and it was the best dynamic speaker I have heard for clarity above 90 Hz.  Still, the best performance out of these drivers could not approach the clarity and brilliance of my unique Audiostatic 240 electrostatic/Enigmacoustics Sopranino tweeter combo.

Let's hear the M6 on familiar good recordings. 
For now, the boulder 866 is highly demanded. I need to wait until things settle a little. 
It should be fun driving $170k speakers with $16k integrated. Not going to happen in reality, I guess. $170k speakers usually mean at least $350k system. But it is going to be fun, look forward to hearing whatever I could hear on youtube.
I wouldn’t suggest vinyl. I would suggest reel to reel deck and master tape dubs. Problem is that after hearing that it would be difficult to listen to anything else. But it would be great to have both top analog and top digital sources. I understand, the current source is streaming plus dCS dac.
I’ve read almost everything  on the Magico M3. Pretty much a consensus out there they are the one to get.
Techno,
People that hate Wilson Audio are supposed to be jolly when a Wilson speaker leaves WC’s room. 
I don't know why there is an argument over m3 and m6 when I've had both in my possession...both are great but the m6 vastly superior. The only knock is i am having a hard time finding qualified gear for the m6... I'm almost forced to buying gear of less prestige than the m6... 
I really doubt there's an argument on which speaker (M3 or M6) is better in every way. As far as finding gear to compliment the M6's.....you had it in your room 2 weeks ago...lol
Yep but the big boy stuff for this m6 is almost like finding UFOs....called all my sources and nobody has it or they have only seen it on magazines...things like the dartzeel 468s... constellation hercules... soulution 701s... That level of firepower needs to be ordered... 
I have a feeling the Boulder 2110 with the 2150's or the Mephisto would have been 'big boy' good.
What are you talking about WC, there’s a pair of constellation Hercules listed here on audiogon, if you take 5 minutes and search google you’ll find the dartzel 468 listed as well, have you even bothered checking out the other audio sites before making these statements. 
Well the M6 is crazy money, so the M3 just make more sense imho. I sure hope it is better considering how much deeper Magico gets into the customer pocket...

Please don’t tell me the Mephisto could not drive them. Damn if that’s the case, they just make even less sense...
Tecknik...i meant hercules mk2...not the ones you mentioned which have been there for over 2 years...those are mk1...
I don’t really check other websites. I have been scammed 3 times already and just recently was part of another big scam. When you are looking for this level of gear, you should be working with established businesses or people that you are 100% sure of.
It’s not the same sending someone 50k for something or 5k... I don’t expect you to understand that though since you are probably not searching for equipment as often as i do.
Techno:
Mephisto can drive m6. I failed to articulate that i am playing with equipment that sounds great even though it is modestly priced ( 60.8 monos). However, this doesn’t mean that i can’t get more out of the speakers. There is far more potential that I haven’t started to tap into when it comes to these speakers.
So far, the dac direct into the 60.8s has sounded amazing. Today i picked up a Preamplifier locally so let's see what it does. 
You must be joking wc, you stick to your thread on one website has you’ve mentioned previously you don’t do other websites.

I visit multiple websites for informative post and what’s for sale regularly.

You obviously don’t understand the meaning of due diligence being scammed multiple times .

Don’t worry about my due diligence. I simply shared it for transparency, but it appears that it backfired on me.
I guess it goes with the territory of being active on a forum and on YouTube. I’ll have to learn to thicken my skin.

WC if you're been scammed AGAIN you must inform this community by whom so we can avoid that person/establishment. Please do tell.
I wish it was that simple without legal repercussions...
What you all need to know is that if you send someone money and they decided to "turn bad" that one time and just take your money, it will take thousands upon thousands of dollars of attorney fees to recuperate it. The cops aint coming to save ya... Cops got bigger fish to fry than to worry about your money to buy audio components.
You send someone 10k to buy something and they scam you, it will cost you another 10k in lawyer fees plus a lengthy process to get it back on top of all the headache, drama, time off of work and anxiety.
The law protects the thief/crook/scammer as much as it protects you.
I am warning you all.. You don’t get your money back by calling the cops on someone.. It does not work that way... It takes lawyers and spending money to recuperate the money you have lost.
I simply don't understand how these crooks sleep at night... I hardly get any sleep if i am dealing with a complex task at work!!
There is nothing more important to me than knowing i don't owe anyone a damn thing and i don't have to hide my face. 
I wish it was that simple without legal repercussions...
What you all need to know is that if you send someone money and they decided to "turn bad" that one time and just take your money, it will take thousands upon thousands of dollars of attorney fees to recuperate it. The cops aint coming ...
I suggest using a CC or PayPal for protection even absorbing the fees.  Call it insurance.,   My CC returns 2% on all purchases so if item is $10,000, only cost me 1% ($100).

Have you looked into escrow.com? 
hi Joecasey
i have not looked into escrow.com. That might be something worth looking into.

ONLY pay with a Credit Card...then you wont get scammed. Simple as that. If the dealer wont take a CC then just walk away from the deal. Ive purchased stuff that wasn’t as advertised and on MANY occasions not only did I get all my money back BUT I was allowed to keep the gear as well. That wasn’t my intention but if the Seller doesn’t respond to the CC company about the issue with the item the CC Company says you can keep it.

If you use your credit card THRU Paypal and something goes wrong...DONT file a claim with Paypal. Do the claim with your CC Company. They should instantly credit your account. PAYPAL wont and they take their sweet time getting anything done. You'll probably have to show proof in the case of a return that the seller got the item back before you get a refund.  That wont happen with the CC Company.

Awesome. When you say credit card, do you mean amex lol...i kinda don't trust bank of america cards..
I use an AMAZON VISA.  I have won every single time their is a dispute. Several pieces of Free gear since sellers didnt respond including Harbeth SHL 5+. 
Ok. It’s pretty sad to have to do business thinking in advance that someone could scam you. Its like getting married and doing a prenup because you feel you will be taken to the cleaners. It’s like sleeping with the enemy at that point!
I guess i should think different going forward. I never do business thinking in advance how to do someone wrong. That crap comes back to you in the end. 
Yeah, this is all very unpleasant, to say the least.
There might be another way of paying. You do it by hiring a lawyer, paying fees and having the lawyer handle the transaction. Lawyers will use some escrow system as well. I personally have never done it but it might be worth exploring. Since you regularly buy and sell expensive stuff, this might be a way for you to stop worrying about what could go wrong. I don't know how much law firm would charge for that but it shouldn't be a lot, not much work for them.
There is an Audiogon member whart, he is a retired lawer, he might offer you an advice too. I talked to him privately about records but not about legal things.
So, what preamp did you pick up?  Does it sound better DAC direct or with the preamp?   I know you probably need a bit more time  :-)
Dave
It should never sound better overall without active preamp. But this preamp must be really good, and the interconnects between preamp and power amp must be as good or better as the interconnects between the source and preamp. If it is not the case than dac direct can sound better.
If you want the very best sound there is no way around, you need great active preamp. Even with analog source, both phono stage and tape deck. Everything should be well matched, of course. Tape deck directly to power amp sounds good, by the way, quite acceptable until you find funds for a preamp plus cables.
I have Fidelity VISA CC that pays 2% cash back on all purchases unlimited.  I tied this card to PayPal.   Always negotiate with my 1% cost using CC.   Any problems just contact CC company.

I tried to pay everything with this CC .... $17K DAC, $20K dental work .... VERY seldom wire funds or mail checks.

Joecasey,


I also have the Fidelity Visa as a backup. Know why its now a backup?? Cause if you ever have a problem (Dispute) you better hope you have a bottle of Advil around. They will send you a ton of paperwork that needs to be filled out by a certain date etc. They act like YOUR the culprit instead of the victim and you have to prove your innocence.  Thats when I switched to the Amazon Card (5X Points on Amazon purchases  1-2% on everything else).  NO PAPERWORK when filing a claim and they treat you like your the Victim. Sorry to derail the thread BUT it could be important to some going forward.