Mitigating the Bubble

If I ensure the SC spades are fully inserted and centered on a speaker's binding posts, surely I'm increasing the conductance? conductivity? much more than anything operating at the nano level, assuming that the nano-particles are indeed conductive in the first place.

Tom, I believe it is addressed at you.

Please reread his entire post.

Yes thanks..However the contents inside the highlighted box were intended for another poster not me. Tom

@theaudiotweak ,

Not at all.

I was pointing out you have been offered a bribe. That is all.

I am certain you have the integrity to decline.

My apologies if it was construed as such.

Carpathian 

Your saying I am a narc of private email?

When and where and what time of day? Tom

Never saw a chart nor mention of any test result. If that test or chart existed it was never mentioned to me. I knew of diamond lube before because I spoke to the maker by phone in 2019. These new materials may not have existed in 2019. That's all the chatter today so far.

Tom

Unfortunately Chris,

whether what is true or not at this point is moot.

You set the tone for this thread with your initial posts. That was a mistake. You’re selective answering of questions and non answers was also a mistake. You charging $1500/$1000 for a $6 power cord and advertising here is just silly.

You were ill prepared to deal with the people on this forum who are light years ahead of you in audio knowledge. You’re only system is in your car??

I could go on, but this now bores me. Thank you for the temporary entertainment.

"but if you would be so kind as to confirm what is being claimed in an email, I have something for you, to make it worth the effort."

Well, now I see you’re also not above bribery.

There you go Tom, if you narc on a private email between you and someone else, you’ll get a prize!

My mistake Krissy sent me the small test kit supplied to her for free by Chris. If she paid the shipping I will pay her for that service. Tom

@nano-flo - so right here is where I publicly apologise to you and correct a mistake I have made. Through misunderstanding, I claimed that Krissy had paid you for the original sample products, I have been informed that you have spoken the truth on this particular matter. As I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong, she paid for shipping and chose who the trial participants were?

Tom worked out who you were, and wasn’t given or even suggested by Krissy to contact you. Mr Carbon as you call him, was at least right, that price for that cable was never a good idea, nor the choice of off the shelf cable, but more to the point the price you’re asking. And if you didn’t believe Krissy when she told you that cable and price wasn’t going to go down well, you can digest this thread and the above post. (how much products have you sold with her help, compared to without? that’s entirely rhetorical by the way).

The original price and original straightforward offer for the product is a fair one, I certainly thought so when I paid for it. I have never said it wasn’t what I originally posted about it. Your selective responses are very telling, sadly for the audiophile community the real loss is a great product.

@nano-flo

G, I don’t want to twist your arm to test it for yourself, but my new nanomaterial has been tested by those on this group and I am just repeating what they said. Since I am to launch on Amazon anyway, I arranged to have a certified EE lab run various testing on as much as they can test. I should have the test results back from the VA lab in a couple weeks,

Chris, here lies the problem: You clearly stated earlier in this thread that your product “improves electrical conductivity”. You stated it! It seems pretty clear at this juncture that you have no data that it does. Conductivity is easy to test and you haven’t actually done it. Either you had conclusive data in advance of making the conductivity claim or you didn’t, which is it?

Subjective claims made by third parties are just that and I have no problem with sincere people relaying what they think they hear. If their soundstage blew over their framed internet diploma certifying their proficiency at spotting aliens…cool! You on the other hand have attempted to occupy the high ground and yet, I consider your claims as guesswork mixed with wishful thinking if I’m being generous. Your power cable offering is absolutely an insult to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the hobby. That’s a swing bridge too far!

You are riding through town, wearing a white hat that doesn’t fit. Your claims to what your product may or may not do is very much akin to the historical snake oil salesmen of the old west. Cures gout, the common cold and those achy joints, regrows hair and doubles the mpg of your ‘88 Civic. Since this is an audio site, the least you could do would be to specify whether your Lexus test system is equipped with the base audio system or the Mark Levinson system. Is cassette tape the preferred media or FM or CD or satellite radio? I believe you should stick to Amazon…if you are wise and reasonably honest, you won’t spend any of the money the gullable send your way…I predict high levels of people taking you up on the money back guarantee, especially on your miraculous power cable.

So, back to your generous offer. Did you test conductivity in advance of making the claim or were you being dishonest when you stated that it increased conductivity? Its a simple question. Yes or no. If you did not then you were being dishonest when you made the claim. I don’t knowingly do business with people who would do that and since you apparently don’t really know what your product does, why would I smear it on anything? Free or otherwise.

I would ask what possible reason you would have for applying elemental boron to anything but I fear you would actually tell me.

In the form of mined borax it is great cleaner, mould inhibitor, and insect destroyer..

Normally you test the product then you sell it.

My crystal ball tell me that one of the following will happen:

1. There will be no results published
2. You will have to sign and NDA to get the results (that should be public)
3. The results won’t be very good, but lots of excuses will be made
4. The results will be published in a way such that the experiment is highly questionable and cannot be replicated. I.e. all the critical information required in typical test such as this will be missing so as to make the results meaningless.

I am guessing 1 or 4 based on a history of his other products where no meaningful test results have been provided, what is provided is not really interpretable or usable due to lack of data, or excuses have been made why it is unavailable.

@theaudiotweak Some of us here received test samples from Krissy that she had to buy from the maker. I will be sending Krissy my payment. Tom

If she bought the free samples for testing, she never paid me for them. I will note that only one person could be making that preposterous claim. but if you would be so kind as to confirm what is being claimed in an email, I have something for you, to make it worth the effort.

Tom, I supplied all free test samples at no charge, and I was told you were sent a second free sample for some assistance you provided, and you do not have to pay anyone for free stuff. Someone is lying to you Tom, and its not me.

Chris

A staand up gesture Tom.

Some of us here received test samples from Krissy that she had to buy from the maker. I will be sending Krissy my payment. Tom

@nano-flo

 

@ghasley

I don’t want you to leave, and if you go to the contact form on webpage or message your address privately I will send you the only .1ml sample I’m that I’m prepared give out, once the batch finishes blending sometime next week. I promise, it will be up to you to tell anyone if or what happens without me pissing about your answer. If you are as unimpressed as everyone that didn’t try it yet, I hope you shout it out for everyone on AUDIOGON, and I’ll even pay the shipping.

Chris

Chris, its very kind of you to offer. I will accept your generous offer on the condition that you publicly post the data you relied upon earlier in this thread that this product increases electrical conductivity. Before and after data would be welcome. Also Chris, what kind of hifi system are you using to form your subjective opinions.

Otherwise, I will trust that the late Ken Shindo was comfortable knew what he was doing in his lifelong pursuit designing and building exceptional electronics and complimentary cables.

@deludedaudiophile - I think antiphrasis would sum up your moniker, based upon what I'm reading. Welcome.

I can tell by your reaction you would jump to conclusions so I won't tell you. And it was actually 1 other element and a derivative of a 3rd all in a binder..Still alive and listening well.. Boron is a component in magnets.Tom

@deludedaudiophile ,

I hope you will continue to post more  on the forum threads.

Very interesting stuff!

I would ask what possible reason you would have for applying elemental boron to anything but I fear you would actually tell me.

Boron is not the same as borophene..I don't know how to make borophene.yet nor diamonds.Tom

Are you claiming that you both sourced and used Borophene?  Please tell me that is not what you are claiming @theaudiotweak 

Sorry, graphene—borophene is the new wonder material that’s got everyone excited | MIT Technology Review.

I have used this material blended with a few others as an acoustic enhancement applied to areas of my system and audio room. It has a very powerful effect and when first applied and listened to while it was still under cure it is like a sonic blast in the room.

When this article landed on my phone 3 years back, I sent it to Tim (perfect path) as I knew he was always in search of new materials. In search of graphene and a base carrier was how we hooked up. He was coming out soon with TC and we talked about his product, but I never knew what the components were. I think he freaked out when I sent him this article, not sure why. Boron was not part of his chemistry.  Sorry, graphene—borophene is the new wonder material that’s got everyone excited | MIT Technology Review.

I have used this material blended with a few others as an acoustic enhancement applied to areas of my system and audio room. It has a very powerful effect and when first applied and listened to while it was still under cure it is like a sonic blast in the room. Scared the crap out of me...I was afraid I wouldn't find a method to remove the materials. Fortunately, the sound settled down after a few days and back to a new and better normal. 

I found Chris's number in an email I sent him in 2019 inquiring about diamond lube to use in my Linn Lp12. I haven't spoken to or texted back to him since the end of this March. Tom

Unfortunately, we have only ourselves to blame for stuff like this. As a community, we have allowed hucksters to claim whatever they want, with 0 proof, while spouting our dogmatic "trust our ears". We deserve what we get:

Note: he even ripped off the term "Perfect Path"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154936890468

Who am I? It is really unimportant, I am just a rather intelligent guy with a materials science background who can tell you are making it up as you go.

I can also tell when someone is bamboozling, like where you say, "Some people claim it is like a room temperature superconductor", and claim there could be validity to that (there isn't), but then you put out something like this which clearly you don't understand and is contradictory,

If anyone is interested in putting this curious attack to an end - look up Type II-B diamond and now you have a slice of my secret,

Type II-B occurs naturally, but that is rather meaningless as we grow II-B all the time as diffusing boron in diamond, just like some other materials, turns it into a semiconductor.  However, semiconductors are very poor conductors unless they have an appropriate fields, and then there is the issue of the band-gap. The band gap for II-B boron infused diamond if 5.5ev, which is very high. That means virtually no semiconductor action, hence no conductivity at a metal-metal I/F of connectors where the voltage differential is in the millivolts.  You have obviously picked up some stuff along the way like all good "promoters" but you are lacking the underlying knowledge that goes with the words and terms you are using.

However, this is all quite meaningless babble. If it increases conductivity, it can be proven in about 15 seconds with a simple test.So where is the test and please no excuses. There are no trade secrets revealed from test results.

Oh, if I want II-B boron diffused diamond, I could make my own, I have access to CVD equipment. Nano particle gold, also dead simple to access and I even have contacts who have a patent on a process that does not use certain nasty chemicals. Nano particle gold underpins a very high volume very important medical device ...

It clarifies that you are making it up as you go, that's okay, I have been working on my side a long time and have seen many a claim come and go, most from actual material scientists. I am looking forward to your entertaining us with what your cable does "better".

@ghasley 

I don't want you to leave, and if you go to the contact form on webpage or message your address privately I will send you the only .1ml  sample I'm that I'm prepared give out, once the batch finishes blending sometime next week. I promise, it will be up to you to tell anyone if or what happens without me pissing about your answer. If you are as unimpressed as everyone that didn't try it yet, I hope you shout it out for everyone on AUDIOGON, and I'll even pay the shipping.

Chris

@deludedaudiophile "How easy do you think people are to bamboozle here“

is almost correct, however The New Kid on the Block (me) never said anything like that. but I will not say which Audiogon member did say it. This person also said other things about specific members, that people just shouldn’t say about their customers..

To those interested in audio enhancements like @whostolethebatmobile if you start out with detonation nanodiamond you’ll soon discover its a great insulator. Now when you ask the Japanese supplier about Type 2B (IIB) availability they will most likely ask you were they can get some. I don’t sell mine anymore, so... Another slice of the formula is nanogold, and the only thing close costs $80,000 per gram, I wish you good luck from there. Sure you can get what’s advertised as pure nanogold for as low as $360 per gram, but its not really nano when you go through the specs, and you should also run it under SEM for sizing. I hope that clarifies everything and remember, you can just buy NanoFlo contact enhancer, soon as I re-introduce it plus get an AUDIOGON discount if you are in good standing with NanoFlo.

I’m looking forward to my meeting with Josh to begin advertising here.

Chris (Mr. NanoFlo)

This reminds me of when I was a kid, fighting with siblings in the back seat of the car. My father would pull over the car and everyone got a whipping. I asked why because (of course) I didn’t start it and he said " I’m not going to waste my time trying to figure out which one of you were in the right and which were in the wrong".

In this case, as in most cases, buy what you want from who you want but an extra measure of caution is in order. I’m out but I was likely never a candidate...but Chris can lube the drawbridge out front.

Mr Carbon demanding to take over my business was the final straw in a series of breaches, which is when I pulled the enhancer.

Now, that caught my attention as well. Just what the hell were we really dealing with anyway?

All the best,
Nonoise

So you are saying that nanodiamonds are an ingredient in nano-flo, and that they are boron doped?

@deludedaudiophile 

 “Something just tells me this guy is here because he sees easy marks ...”

Way to go you answered your question before you even asked it when you 

said :  ”How easy do you think people are to bamboozle here“ 

Lol this thread is priceless! 

@deludedaudiophile 

Nice four posts, but I know who you are.

If anyone is interested in putting this curious attack to an end - look up Type II-B diamond and now you have a slice of my secret, Read anyway but they are extremely rare and electrically conductive. Did I mention I am  gemologist?

Well Well Well … Why am I not remotely surprised.

” Mr Carbon demanding to take over my business was the final straw in a series of breaches, “

@ghasley 

I do not delete anything I post, but I agree with moderator. It's our privilege to be here and they do for them as they see best, why not.

Chris 

@rixthetrick  Yes, it was when Krissy tried to talk Chris (nano-flo) out of trying to sell a cheap generic mass produced power cord...

My entrance into audio was to provide the best audio quality under a series of agreements, the first stipulation was absolute secrecy, especially of my involvement and critically of keeping trade secrets. Mr Carbon demanding to take over my business was the final straw in a series of breaches, which is when I pulled the enhancer. Breaches started when Tom called me. Tom is an old customer of QuantumCoat however the "distributor" told him I was behind this new product, and my phone number was pulled last year when I took a different path. 

All samples were provided to Audiogon members for free, by me. All product was provided with zero upfront fees on a 50/50 basis (what a horribly greedy thing to do), and according to my records that split was not enough for someone. Thats really all I can say about it, however the product itself has been reviewed and accepted by those that either purchased it or got a free test sample. There is a question of how the gel pulls zero ohms but enhances electrical flow like a room temperature superconductor as others (not me) have said, but this is also a new product. The technology not only increases audio quality, it performs unexpectedly well applied to the insulated surfaces and I have no idea why, however lab time may reveal the "what's happening" but not why right now.

Sorry if I kill business for the cable and fuse guys, but I'll use my own inventions in everything I produce, and I give guarantees - do they?  Attack to defend...

Chris

Yes, yes, yes, and all the birds in the sky have been replaced with robotic drones that look just like birds.

I posted it so it must be true.

All the best,
Nonoise

@nano-flo 

I can't tell if you are deleting your own posts or if Audiogon is. 

I know what you manufacture, and it is not electrical conductive diamond nanospheres. What part of DIAMOND IS NOT CONDUCTIVE was difficult to understand? How easy do you think people are to bamboozle here?

I manufacture electrically conductive spherical nanodiamond, and I'm the sole source.

This posts below is just disgusting behavior. You really should be ashamed, but I would say comments like this border on getting yourself into legal troubles.

@jafreeman just don't eat it, It killed Timmy and he knew it was a powerful carcinogen and also that nobody would buy it if he told the truth, so just don't eat it is OK with you. The other one knows it too and what does she have say for keeping hiding one little thing? 

I’m sorry, it killed him?

Was this verified medically, or is this your theory? What exactly was the carcinogen? I think the people who have handled it have a right to know.

And the word you’re looking for is libel, not slander.

Something just tells me this guy is here because he sees easy marks ... https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/diamond-lube-22446.html

I would have real doubts about a nano scale diamond ball lubricant too. Diamond can be an excellent low friction surface, when both surfaces are coated with diamond. Things won't "roll" on nanoscale diamond balls. The balls would just dig into the surface.

I have to say, I loved some of the stuff from his website. The mechanics, and other mechanically inclined people may find some humor:

Drastic Plastic Nitro Fuel Dragster IL Tom Motry's race car rose from 6000HP to an estimated 8000HP after service.

That's some amazing breaking of the laws for thermodynamics.

But wait

Joe Manderino, (the head of maintenance) talked me into treating his 400HP Camaro, which afterward pulled its first wheelie ever of 6 inches off the ground, and beat a 750HP Chevelle in the quarter mile. On Joes third pass the Camaro pulled the wheels off the ground by 3 feet without a wheelie bar. 

Does anyone want to tell the creator of this story what the wheelie bar is for?

Of course, you have to feel for the misunderstood inventor (emphasis mine)

VanGuard Pai Lung, Inc. industrial knitting machines NC.  They were to be our pathway to world distribution in the textile industry. Use of our novel nanomaterial allowed them to extend mill warranty from 6 months to TWO years and forced the mills to run faster, smoother, cooler and quieter without wear. BTW, their volume of service calls plummeted as profits skyrocketed. I wish them nothing but love, but we are not interested in helping them further.

But strange, all these first hand accounts, but never a few bucks paid for ASTM-D6425 testing (or similar) a common process for high pressure lubricants.

I do love the chutzpah of the price list, a few extracted here ...

• $1,500,000.00 Locomotive equivalent of steam or diesel (call for review of service specifics) Immediate and permanent emission reduction and lower fuel costs
• $5,000,000.00 Swing or Draw Bridge 
• $25,000,000.00 Sea Cargo Vessel or Cruse Line Ship (stern to bow wear protection) 

Of course, with a product that will take your SEMI from 5 to 8.5 MPG (no, really they make that claim), the prices seem like a bargain.

I have been following this thread for the last week. Often read Audiogon over the years. Never felt the need to post, but this is just too good of an opportunity.

Did it ever occur to even one of you that Diamond is not a electrical conductor. It is an electrical insulator. Not just an insulator, but a very good insulator. Even in small spherical sizes.  

Perhaps this is relevant here.

He said, she said, this could go around forever.

@nano-flo - specifically, which $3500 power cord did your developed cord best in RFI testing?
Please give us some insight into the manufacturing process of the power cord, do you have a manufacturing plant where you make the molded ends with strain reliefs? Are there any particular specifications on materials like say 5n copper crystal wire?

It does as you suggest, look quite unassuming, particularly for a $1500 item.