It looks like a debate to me.

Remarkable how brave we become when we're hiding behind the internet. A lot like how every dork who gets on a Harley suddenly becomes cool.

My take is that it’s nice to not have to choose.  I enjoy reading the reviews on the tech sites but I also like to read what audio enthusiasts have to say about their daily life experiments and discoveries.  Like my less-than-advantageous listening room— I know that I’m not the only one faced with this, and I want others’ suggestions for work-arounds.  As for the friction that can occur, I just assume that is part of what makes people passionate about things.  I’d rather hear from the passionate people, as they probably have a lot to say. I learned at school and at work that some of the people I learn the most from are not the easiest to converse with, but it’s worth the effort and I try not to take it personally.

"What we have here...is a failure to communicate."

@tooblue ....no kidding....*phew*  Helluva light show from the sparks...;)

@perkri...share that popcorn? *munch*  Thanks....care for a beer? *S*

@erik_squires ....pull up a chair...beats the WWF for 'slams'...*G*

@tomic601 ...it's like watching the neighbors get into a scrap..sit by an open window and listen....

"Whose winning?"

Who cares?! *LOL*

Amen. 

No one should ever listen to what I say about audio stuff. However, I would say this. All involved should just bow their heads and move on. So be it as it may.

akg
I have no idea what you're referring to.
I only posted a link to an announcement about an upcoming event at Axpona. At this rate it might not even happen.
All of your 2019 references are wrong.
I know an ER doc at the hospital with the latest midwest Covid-19 case. It's within 10 miles of the Renaissance.

If a topic interests me, I read everything.
Take what i want.
Leave the rest.

Erik

me 2

i had it nailed as ego pissing g match

but then AKG said some well thought out stuff.... like why does my reptilian brain crave fifth order distortion in a 2d magazine cover ?

I'm leaving this thread alone.
Not because I don't want to mess with it.  I do.

I just don't know what it means.

  Fuzztone sent me a PM about how wrong I was.  I feel special.  

i’m interested in all the different points of view, but the confusing part here is the responders who claim to have technical knowledge and experience but do not

Lots of different ways to get great sounding music. Enjoy them all I say! 🙂

geoffkait19,984 posts02-29-2020 2:19pmQuite the prima donna. So emotional! Whew! 😡

ROFL! 😄

In brief: nothing more than another regurgitated no decision inconsequential editorial quickly forgotten both past and present. Simply put, It’s just an anniversary revisit bake-off / shootout no “winner” decision between two selected amps,

In detail...

(1) There is no “ debate” here IMO, because it’s just another mag review personal opinion that cannot be applied to anything more than an isolated A-B shootout totally limited to two amps . Intuitively, there is no “right” or “ wrong”.

The OP title and subject matter lead-in is edited and truncated from the full Monty, and thus incomplete to an arguable point of being misleading.
I looked up the Magazine cover found at ”....https://www.stereophile.com/content/january-already-0

the mag full cover headline actually fully reads:

“.... The accuracy vs musicality debate re-examined ....CAMBRIDGE vs CARY if either of these amplifiers is right ... then the other must be wrong...

”....Yes, the January 2019 issue of Stereophile is hitting newsstands, mailboxes, and tablets this week. And to celebrate the 25th anniversary of our going from a digest-sized publication to a full-sized one, we have recreated the cover of the January 1994 issue, the "musicality vs accuracy" debate as strong today as it was a quarter-century ago. The 25th anniversary edition of the same Cary tube amplifier is featured on the cover and in this issue’s review section, but instead of the solid-state Krell we had on the 1994 cover, we have the solid-state Cambridge Edge A integrated amplifier which is also reviewed in this issue...”

(2) AUDIOGON already had its Jurassic era numerous repeated rehashes on this all too oft-related ( ... dare I say also “boring”) subject matter .. “Accuracy vs. musicality”

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/accuracy-vs-musicality
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/accurate-vs-musical#1186476
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/musicality-in-a-system-what-is-that#1162099

(3) STEREOPHILE has also had its periodic redux preceding their Jan mag latest redux version. ... with no further advancements... for example
https://www.stereophile.com/content/whos-right-acccuracy-or-musicality

(4) Ditto on another predictable no-decision forum blurb on AUDIOKARMA

https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/musicality-vs-accuracy.850033/

my takeaway

There is no “debate” here ... Rather it is just another too oft-repeated rehash of the same and intuitively obvious summary that there is no “right” or “wrong”, but with another attention grabbing mag cover editorial tagline.
These redux editorials are repeating either one or more of the following:
* it is an opinion maker, but with a predictable disavowing potential of any bias leading to a draw,
* it is ultimately also predictable to a position of being wishy-washy reconciliatory between contrary viewpoints or standpoints,
* it is arguably (and hopefully) balanced in its analysis of evidence and events, and
* Regardless, it is a just a magazine tagline infused to entice a reader .... manifest or otherwise, crusading in its thrust.

Time for some popcorn...

newbee
I have observed the same things as you from evidence. No problem there.
I just find the noob with no cred and zero knowledge to be no more than a paranoid belligerent name caller that only lives to criticize non disciples.
Funny as in he makes me laugh.
At him.
I''m here to absorb knowledge,
not PRETEND that I know it all

Quite the prima donna. So emotional! Whew! 😡

I called "it" a debate. The linked notice says that it's a seminar featuring a debate.
BFD to mc.
Har har
His distortions are self inflicted.
Good luck tuning out without a tuner.
phcollie Your views are valid for you. I've had great relations with every audio salesman I"ve ever purchased from.
Car salesman? Really?
I just think that a give-and-take between pro designers will be more educational then layman's experiences. But both are valued by me. Please extract your boobs from the wringer now.

Fuzztone, FWIW I believe that some folks in this forum have found an output to express themselves and fulfill their pent up need for recognition (from strangers no less). They post frequently, speak authoritatively, and often at great length, on most every audio subject. Their threads might have some value. Who knows. Certainly not me. I must sign off now and get back to Malamud’s "The Fixer" for something more emotionally uplifting. :-)

  If you could not open the link to read the topic at hand....why comment?  Seems pretty silly to say anything if you don't know what the conversation is about.  

Like you just did?

Because, turns out while my work PC wouldn't let me access it my laptop did and guess what? Its exactly what I said. The OP said its a debate, the link calls it a seminar, but that's nothing compared to all the other distortions he's posted since. The OP is a total reading comprehension fail, and I nailed it. 

The OP said, " I'm more interested in hearing the viewpoints of people that have earned stripes in the audio industry rather than faceless hobbyists." So I nailed that one too. 

Its now clear the OP can find not one thing I've written, not one tiny bit of evidence, to back up his baseless insults. And you bryhifi, neither can you. You can't even be bothered to figure out what is going on here! Which is, some noob with zero cred and even less knowledge totally misread the situation and has been found to have zero support- other than from equally unmoored souls such as yourself.

All that remains now is for gk, dj and the usual suspects to turn this into another echo chamber of irrelevance.

Tuning out, I am!

I am the opposite regarding guidance from an industry professional.  Anyone who works with/for organizations is affected by the culture. At some point there is training or a mentor relationship that imparts bias. Add money to the mix and everything changes. I absolutely prefer listening to a faceless hobbyist driven by their passion for music and the audio experience.  Often these faceless people are humble, polite and do not come across as thinking they are the smartest person in the room.  My long term experience with salesmen has been less than positive. So much so that I go to the car lot on Sunday Night if I ever want to take a look.  

If you could not open the link to read the topic at hand....why comment?  Seems pretty silly to say anything if you don't know what the conversation is about.

Digital storage and solid state electronics.
All you did is infer.
You would not be alone thinking your way or the highway.
Who needs it?
I'd rather listen to a debate among professionals that are used to dealing graciously with the public.
That was the point that you can not seem to comprehend.
Although laffs are good.
Har har.

From vaguely confusing to clearly alienating, in record time!

Never fear, I do not take it as an insult. How could I, when its so patently false?! Especially now the pattern emerges so clearly. Its a total lack of reading comprehension.

So fuzztone, here’s what you do. Go find the post where I assume you can’t hear cables. Or assume you have multiple subs. Or heck, where I am closed minded.

You just wrote me off as a closed minded jerk. Which strikes me as rather closed minded, and the kind of a thing a jerk would say. But what do you say we set all that aside and have a little teachable moment instead? Are you up for it? Find the evidence. Cut and paste. How hard could it be?

Well this is certainly going well.

millercarbon especially
Assuming I can't hear cables or don't have multiple subs.
Get off it.
At least no one assumes anything about you. We know for sure.
We're here to learn. Not to be closed minded jerks.

I love the debate here. Not the stuck up attitudes.

You are probably not alone, but your posts begs the question, if you find commentary here of little value (to you of course) why do you waste your time here. Just to validate your opinion perhaps? Personally I'd rather read a good book or listen to some music.

I suppose the answer depends on the question.  Want real user feedback?  Ask us faceless hobbyists.  Want a name to drop to verify your choices?  Read an article by someone who agrees with you.  

Can't follow the link, not here at work anyway. Your post is clear as mud. It seems to imply you are more interested in hearing from people with a profit motive than disinterested enthusiasts. A questionable approach but we all have our quirks and I doubt you are alone. You would not be alone in questioning the value of quality wire, multiple subs, any number of things. You would not be alone in thinking numbers matter more than truth. You would not be alone in a lot of things. Just don't go looking for me there.